need help with a 12 wk cycle

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 01:21 AM

what;s up guys i have not been on here in a while. i have been dieting and working out before i asked anything. i am a top level jiu-jitsu competitor andlost in a semi final match to a guy that was much stronger than me. i need to get my strength up. i also need something that will help me recover faster as i am currently training 6x's a week any advice would help thank you very much. i fight at 215 but weighed only 203 when i fought. i am pretty lean, biggest tournament of the year is in june thanx in advance

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 11:05 AM

no help at all?

**Necrosaro** · 04-13-2010, 11:09 AM

Can we get some stats arch such as age,fat,height, anything that can help us out more?

**Morgoth** · 04-13-2010, 11:12 AM

If you want pure strength just do a Test e and Dbol cycle 2 months before your competition.

**Phate** · 04-13-2010, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Morgoth

If you want pure strength just do a Test e and Dbol cycle 2 months before your competition.

LMAO, pure strength huh? with test/dbol , damn you need some research

**B1gDaddy** · 04-13-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Morgoth

If you want pure strength just do a Test e and Dbol cycle 2 months before your competition.

This is coming from the same guy that said Sust is the weakest test out there haha

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 11:31 AM

29 years old 6'1 210 about 15% bf looking mainly to be stronger and not gain to much weight as i have to weigh under 215 for com thanx

**B1gDaddy** · 04-13-2010, 11:45 AM

This will be your first cycle, correct?

oh wait a minute, you just want a drug that will help you recover faster after your training days? Man, all you need is good meals with lots of protein and sleep!

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 11:56 AM

no and to be stronger, something that can aid in recovery would be great too. I am losing in the last matches because the other guy are doing cycles. and are just way to strong for me to fight them and win

**MMAngry** · 04-13-2010, 12:10 PM

What belt are you? You're probably losing because you lack technique. My instructor is a 2nd Degree Gracie Black Belt.. he's never cycled.. he's just awesome. You're not losing cuz other guys are cycling.

Technique comes first.. I've tapped out plenty of body builders. Having said that, I'm not saying don't cycle.. I just don't buy your story.

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 12:32 PM

lmao i am a brown belt and have placed in the pan ams and worlds i wont say my name on here but skills is not the prob. if u did not know about 80% of the people that place or win are cycling

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 12:33 PM

mmangry what belt are you?

**Phate** · 04-13-2010, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by arch

lmao i am a brown belt and have placed in the pan ams and worlds i wont say my name on here but skills is not the prob. if u did not know about 80% of the people that place or win are cycling

agreed, and when two opponents are of similar skill level and ability, it eventually comes down to strength and cunning, who can overpower or outthink the other is who wins

**MMAngry** · 04-13-2010, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by arch

mmangry what belt are you?

ok no disrespect.. I've got 2 stripes on my purple. i know some, if not a lot of grapplers use, but it's far more prevalent in mma. did you just compete in pan ams? isn't it this week?

i like to think that sport bjj is still a marital art and less prone to steroids . mma is big into hgh and juice, which is basically why i'm on here because I'm sick of fighting huge guys.. so I want to cut.

I'm still gonna do the Tren Ace cycle when I'm ready... I'm not all that worried about cardio issues because I don't have a fight right now so it's basically just to test it out.

**Knockout_Power** · 04-13-2010, 01:31 PM

15% bf? ever think of just cutting to make the next lower weight and then you will be stronger in that class?

I dont think you will be able to do what you are looking to in such a short time.

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 01:47 PM

yeah you guys are right just sucks knowing that my skill is equal or greater to those i have fought and lose because of them juicing and me being natural

**JasonT** · 04-13-2010, 02:21 PM

just tell on the other guys

**Bonaparte** · 04-13-2010, 02:23 PM

You could just cut with 500mg of test E for 10 weeks and an AI (or prop for 8 weeks). It would allow you to eat less (so you'll lose more fat and less muscle), while increasing strength and recovery. Simple, cheap, and safe. Do you guys get tested?

**arch** · 04-13-2010, 02:34 PM

cycling is not against the rules

**JasonT** · 04-13-2010, 02:41 PM

double post

**JasonT** · 04-13-2010, 02:42 PM

lift for strength on a simple test cycle while taking an ai to avoid bloat....diet will determine how much weight you put on.

also, go for the nipple

**Bonaparte** · 04-13-2010, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by arch

cycling is not against the rules

Uhh...I'm pretty sure AAS is still illegal in Cali, regardless of your sports association.

**Nooomoto** · 04-13-2010, 06:18 PM

There's always going to be someone stronger than you. Strength is not the key to winning in BJJ. You can over power some people, until you run into someone stronger and then what? You can't prepare for that sort of thing.

Gear isn't what you need...it's more training.

**Bonaparte** · 04-13-2010, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Nooomoto

There's always going to be someone stronger than you. Strength is not the key to winning in BJJ. You can over power some people, until you run into someone stronger and then what? You can't prepare for that sort of thing.

Gear isn't what you need...it's more training.

If all else stays the same, additional strength could only help. It isn't like he is suggesting skipping BJJ practice to just juice and lift.