Advice on short course to get back in shape!!!

**maximus11** · 05-09-2010, 05:03 AM

Just need some advice on a course I plan to start in mid June.

I have been weight training for 5yrs or so and always train hard and heavy with good form etc etc,my diet was also very good and my physique was also at a good level (25yrs,5' 7" tall,78kg, approx 8%bf with 24" thighs,16" bi's,42" chest,30" waist) very defined abs/obliques and good seperation on thighs arms back etc
overall strength was good for my size also!!
however,in December I decided to travel south east Asia and have been eating crap,drinking silly amounts of alcohol and hardly training at all.
My planned course is...100mg test prop eod,5x 10mg stanozolol tabs everyday,80-140 mcg of clen everyday,I have done approx 8-9 courses in my training career and have no worries with reacting to any of the products I have mentioned.
I will be doin 1hr cardio minimum everymorning and another 30mins minimum in the evenings after training!
I am aiming for a hard lean look and would like to know which would go best for my aims and the gear I mentioned before out of equipoise ,masteron or tren ace???I will also be using the usual pct and anti eostrogens too.
I also only have 6weeks for this as I fly to oz early august.
Any advice much appreciated

**thisbmine** · 05-09-2010, 05:17 AM

Why are you using steriods to get back into shape? I dont understand this. Where did you get this idea from?

Surely it'd be cheaper, healthier and more productive to just work out like you mentioned above and eat hard, cutting out drinking and partying etc? Sounds like youre in very good shape - so spend 3 months eating properly and working out and you'll be better than before! Then consider a course if required.

Also - if youre on gear its not the best idea to do cardio immediately soon after your workout if you actually want results.

**maximus11** · 05-10-2010, 04:57 AM

Thanks for your input,the reason I'm thinking of using gear to get back into shape is because most people in my gym and that I have trained with who have had a long break from training have done a course to get back to their former shape,or close to it!!
It's also quite annoying looking over photos of me from when I left for my travels in comparison to how I am now.
As for the cardio after training,I thought it was a good time to do it as carb stores will be low and the body will burn fat as a result.I only go very easy,keeping heart rate between 125 & 135 bpm,this is what I have always done and found it effective.
Thanks

**thisbmine** · 05-10-2010, 05:16 AM

Tough call Max.

I can be wrong here, and hopefully a VET will pipe up and correct me but AAS is used to assist you to get to a new level that you cant reach without it.

Not saying "dont use them" - just thinking youve been in shape (and VERY, VERY RECENTLY) so Id be assuming youd get FAR better and long-term gains by getting very close to where you were over the next 3 months and then doing the gear.

Remember (pending on the aas you decide on) you'll get back to where you were very quickly but you may lose it again during PCT. Vs train hard now, cut out partying.. get back your body, then do some aas and reap the rewards.

VETS - IF THIS IS INCORRECT PLEASE CORRECT ME. Im still learning too

**MaNiCC** · 05-10-2010, 05:16 AM

IMO steroids shouldn't be used to get your body "back into shape" they should be used to take your body beyond its natural potential. Personally i would just have a strict diet and workout programme in place to get you back to what you was, then think about using aas or similar compunds to go to the "next level"

**thisbmine** · 05-10-2010, 05:23 AM

I said a VET!

J/K - thanks for the backup Manicc.. glad to know ive been sponging up all the info on this site

**gonzo6183** · 05-10-2010, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by thisbmine;51***90

Why are you using steriods to get back into shape? I dont understand this. Where did you get this idea from?

Surely it'd be cheaper, healthier and more productive to just work out like you mentioned above and eat hard, cutting out drinking and partying etc? Sounds like youre in very good shape - so spend 3 months eating properly and working out and you'll be better than before! Then consider a course if required.

Also - if youre on gear its not the best idea to do cardio immediately soon after your workout if you actually want results.

^^^ Why is that? any studies or info to back it up? havent heard it before but interested to know if it is a fact.

**thisbmine** · 05-10-2010, 05:34 AM

Gonzo - read a few posts yesterday or the day before online about it. Trying to find it with studies... so far the best Ive found has been:

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If you're going to do cardio after lifting, i would not suggest doing high intensity cardio like sprints. You're body's glycogen stores are already depleted after a lifting workout, and is in a catabolic state...high-intensity cardio uses primarily glycogen for energy, and you won't have much left at this point so your body may start breaking down the muscle you just worked so hard to build. In contrast, low-intensity cardio uses primarily fat for energy, especially once glycogen stores have been depleted. However, if you do low-intensity cardio after lifting, you will have to cut the fat-burning process short by reloading glycogen stores with carbohydrates to help your muscles recover from lifting. This is why most people say it is best to separate cardio and lifting. If you do cardio separately, you don't have to eat right away and you don't have to eat carbs, which will extend the period of catabolism and optimize fat-burning. And if you follow your lifting immediately with refueling and rest rather than more vigorous activity, you will make the most out of an anabolic period, and optimize muscle growth. Bottom line: it's better to keep cardio and lifting separate, but if you must do them together, do low to moderate intensity cardio."

Shall keep you posted once I find it.

**thisbmine** · 05-10-2010, 05:44 AM

Anyone else read something like this? Googled and searched this site but cant find anything more conclusive.

Unless anyone else chimes in Im probably wrong about the cardio after workout not being beneficial. Sorry for the wrong advice Max (and anyone else)

**MaNiCC** · 05-10-2010, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by thisbmine

Anyone else read something like this? Googled and searched this site but cant find anything more conclusive.

Unless anyone else chimes in Im probably wrong about the cardio after workout not being beneficial. Sorry for the wrong advice Max (and anyone else)

No need to apologise, my advice to you would be make sure you are certain about advice that you give out, some members are gullable and take things that they read to be the gospel truth.

MaNiCC

**Moosedog** · 05-10-2010, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by thisbmine

Anyone else read something like this? Googled and searched this site but cant find anything more conclusive.

Unless anyone else chimes in Im probably wrong about the cardio after workout not being beneficial. Sorry for the wrong advice Max (and anyone else)

If I do any cardio after my workouts I do no more then 20 mins on the bike or on the cross trainer. I usually have my creatine drink during this cardio to, otherwise I generally feel depleted or to exhausted.

Some people say its one of the best times to train as your already in the zone to burn fat but others say it detremental to your recovery / muscle growth. I have read loads of bits on the net regarding "for and against" I guess I just go with how I feel on that particular day.

**lovbyts** · 05-10-2010, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by thisbmine;51***90

Why are you using steriods to get back into shape? I dont understand this. Where did you get this idea from?

Surely it'd be cheaper, healthier and more productive to just work out like you mentioned above and eat hard, cutting out drinking and partying etc? Sounds like youre in very good shape - so spend 3 months eating properly and working out and you'll be better than before! Then consider a course if required.

Also - if youre on gear its not the best idea to do cardio immediately soon after your workout if you actually want results.

You totally have the RIGHT idea. He is thinking completely backwards.

I have used this scenario a few times to get through to people. Why put Hight octane gas in a car/engine when it's stock or worn/out of shape. use the high octane after you have built up to make it faster. Using it in an engine that is not built for it does a lot more damage than good. yes it makes it a little faster but also burns it out.

Dont use until you are back in shape.

**thisbmine** · 05-10-2010, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Moosedog

If I do any cardio after my workouts I do no more then 20 mins on the bike or on the cross trainer. I usually have my creatine drink during this cardio to, otherwise I generally feel depleted or to exhausted.

Some people say its one of the best times to train as your already in the zone to burn fat but others say it detremental to your recovery / muscle growth. I have read loads of bits on the net regarding "for and against" I guess I just go with how I feel on that particular day.

Can't argue with your body!

**MaNiCC** · 05-10-2010, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

You totally have the RIGHT idea. He is thinking completely backwards.

I have used this scenario a few times to get through to people. Why put Hight octane gas in a car/engine when it's stock or worn/out of shape. use the high octane after you have built up to make it faster. Using it in an engine that is not built for it does a lot more damage than good. yes it makes it a little faster but also burns it out.

Dont use until you are back in shape.

I like the comparison

**maximus11** · 05-10-2010, 07:41 AM

Thanlotslot to all of you so far!!!seems the best way is to do it the natural way!!not gonna argue with all of your expertise and advice,will my body get to the same size or standard I was at before my travels as I had finished a course a month before this,in my 5yrs training I have never had such a big break and got so "out of shape" ,so I am probably doubting my body's redevelopment.
This course I finished before leaving was only 6weeks of clen and winni.

**lovbyts** · 05-10-2010, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by maximus11

Thanlotslot to all of you so far!!!seems the best way is to do it the natural way!!not gonna argue with all of your expertise and advice,will my body get to the same size or standard I was at before my travels as I had finished a course a month before this,in my 5yrs training I have never had such a big break and got so "out of shape" ,so I am probably doubting my body's redevelopment.
This course I finished before leaving was only 6weeks of clen and winni.

Muscle memory is a GREAT thing. You will be very surprised how quickly you get back to where you where before. Trust me, even being off years it's amazing how fast you bounce back.

**maximus11** · 05-10-2010, 06:12 PM

Wicked,thanks Lovbyts!!

**maximus11** · 05-12-2010, 07:45 AM

Just done the maths,I had a body stat done the other day on one of them machines in a pharmacy that tests height,weight,bf % etc etc,my weight has stayed the same throughout my 4.5months travelling so far but my body fat % has gone from an estimated 8% up to 20%!!not sure how accurate these machines are but that means if I was 77kg with 8% bf I would be carrying 6.16kg of fat and at present I'm 77kg with 20% bf,I'm now carrying 15.4kg of fat.this an increase of 9.24kgs so surely a loss of the same weight of muscle mass...am I correct??
If so is it possible to regain that amount in 3months of hard honest training,whilst leaning up at the same time?

**maximus11** · 05-12-2010, 07:47 AM

Will try post some pics so you can see if I was roughly 8%

**ScotchGuard** · 05-12-2010, 08:33 AM

I'll add another reason you should wait until you're in shape to run an AAS cycle. Testosterone , the most popular AAS to cycle, thins out your soft joint membranes. Here you are getting into shape with AAS in your system. After a few weeks you're getting STRONG. Totally awesome. You're lifting heavier every time you go to the gym. Life's good and you're looking great. One day you go to the gym and unbeknown to you the Test that's making you look and feel awesome has thinned out your cartilage in your shoulder. Your muscles are way stronger then the soft connecting tissue since it takes a lot longer for them to develop. On strong military press, POP, your shoulder goes out. Then you're injured for 6 months. It's common. It's a good idea to get in shape first not only for optimal performance of the AAS but because it takes a while for your connecting tissues to get strong enough to handle the weights and training you're going to throw at it when you get on AAS.

**maximus11** · 05-12-2010, 09:35 AM

aaahhhh!!!didnt know that,to be honest i know loadsa people that use roids that way,wasnt goin to use them after the advice given before but you've absolutely confirmed it for me now!!!!
gonna have to knuckle down and grind it out.
nice one