Is 18 to young to take sus250 and dbol.

**Michaelv305** · 05-09-2010, 09:06 PM

ok i just got 20 1ml amps of organon sustaon 250 and 500tabs of 10mg danabol ds and 60 20mg tamoxifen citrate tabs.

I was thinking of doing a cycle somethign liek this.

weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mg/day
weeks 1-10 500mg sus/week

18 days after last sus shot i will start a 4week pct

weeks 1-2 Nolvadex 40mg/day
weeks 2-4 Nolvadex 20mg/day

Im 5'10 165lbs been working out hard for 3 years am in the best shape of my life. im 17 now turn 18 in a month.

also how much do d-bol tabs sell for cause ima have alot left over.

**verino** · 05-09-2010, 09:09 PM

You are very young. I would not start yet if i were you. You have enough test in your body being 17 to make natural gains.

**trix8** · 05-09-2010, 09:10 PM

Dont do it bro, im 20 came off my first cycle like 6 months ago still hvnt recovered, Younger guys hpta isnt developed yet and alot harder to recover

i ****ed up kinda though stayed on a long time and didnt do a post untill like 4 months after my last shot

**stpete** · 05-09-2010, 09:11 PM

Yes, you're way too young!! I can tell you haven't done ANY research on this site or you wouldn't be asking this silly question. You need to eat, rest and learn how to workout properly first. Research, research, research...Do you like the idea of being on HRT or TRT for the rest of your life?

**BiggerByTheDay** · 05-09-2010, 09:16 PM

Yes 18 is too young to be cycling. In fact, your natural test levels are extremely high thus muscle gain is easily achievable. Adding gear to your body at such a young age can cause serious long-term effects that could leave you on TRT for life. If you feel you are not gaining enough, increase your calories/protein/carbs in a sensible manner and you will see quick results from your naturally high test levels. Also, asking how much d-bol sells for is a no-no on this forum. Besides, the ones who would likely purchase them from you (as you are only 18) would likely be someone of the same age or younger; even bigger no-no.

**reichertc2009** · 05-09-2010, 10:00 PM

Lol.......

**terraj** · 05-09-2010, 11:31 PM

You already got the steroids right? So why are you asking, you are going to do it anyway...

5'10 165lbs......you don't know how to eat.

**marcus300** · 05-09-2010, 11:33 PM

Forget steroids they will cause you serious harm at your age, you need food and lots of it because your not eating to build muscle thats obvious

**MaNiCC** · 05-10-2010, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Michaelv305

ok i just got 20 1ml amps of organon sustaon 250 and 500tabs of 10mg danabol ds and 60 20mg tamoxifen citrate tabs.

I was thinking of doing a cycle somethign liek this.

weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mg/day
weeks 1-10 500mg sus/week

18 days after last sus shot i will start a 4week pct

weeks 1-2 Nolvadex 40mg/day
weeks 2-4 Nolvadex 20mg/day

Im 5'10 165lbs been working out hard for 3 years am in the best shape of my life. im 17 now turn 18 in a month.

also how much do d-bol tabs sell for cause ima have alot left over.

You run the risk of damaging your endocrine system, also it is very unlikely that your growth plates have shut. Steroids are often viewed as a quick way to gain muscle, but they are much more then that. If you had a solid diet behind you, you could be in much better shape than what you are. you still have the potential to grow more naturally for a few more years then imo you could contemplate whether or not you are ready to use aas and take your body beyond its natural potential.

Feel free to Read informatiomn in the diet section, however you are still not old enough to post on these boards.

One last thing, you are not allowed to openly discuss prices of any illegal substances on the board

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=368651

MaNiCC

**Moosedog** · 05-10-2010, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by MaNiCC

You run the risk of damaging your endocrine system, also it is very unlikely that your growth plates have shut. Steroids are often viewed as a quick way to gain muscle, but they are much more then that. If you had a solid diet behind you, you could be in much better shape than what you are. you still have the potential to grow more naturally for a few more years then imo you could contemplate whether or not you are ready to use aas and take your body beyond its natural potential.

MaNiCC

x2, read this very good advise

**Xtralarg** · 05-10-2010, 06:23 AM

dont do it

**ottomaddox** · 05-10-2010, 06:34 AM

Terrible Idea, you'll be very dissappointed with the results since you don't know how to properly EAT.

**Xtralarg** · 05-10-2010, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Michaelv305

im 17 now turn 18 in a month.

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Youre too young to be here

**Michaelv305** · 05-10-2010, 08:37 PM

ok thanks for the advice guess ill just sell it got plenty of people who will be willing to buy it at the gym. Im in no hurry to get to my target weight of 200lbs, since i all ready look pretty big and cut. Just wanted a little short cut but it seems the risks are to high.

also how many calories should i be eating a day and how much protien in SHAKES should i drink a day

i have 3 protien shakes a day 1 in morning 35grams with the milk.
one right after my workout 60grams with milk.
and one at night 35grams with with milk.
that alone is 130grams/520calories not including my meals.
(im including 10grams for the protien in the milk well its really 9grams but im saying 10)

**ironflames** · 05-10-2010, 08:41 PM

man i wish i was 18 again...my test levels were higher than normal to begin with! i did my first at 23 dude and i still think i was to young. listen to these guys when they say eat a lot and train hard and youll be amazed with the gains youll get from being all natty.

**BiggerByTheDay** · 05-10-2010, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Michaelv305

ok thanks for the advice guess ill just sell it got plenty of people who will be willing to buy it at the gym. Im in no hurry to get to my target weight of 200lbs, since i all ready look pretty big and cut. Just wanted a little short cut but it seems the risks are to high.

also how many calories should i be eating a day and how much protien in SHAKES should i drink a day

i have 3 protien shakes a day 1 in morning 35grams with the milk.
one right after my workout 60grams with milk.
and one at night 35grams with with milk.
that alone is 130grams/520calories not including my meals.
(im including 10grams for the protien in the milk well its really 9grams but im saying 10)

It is good that you are taking the advice of the very wise individuals of this forum and waiting. Your target weight of 200lbs is highly achievable with proper diet and training. Do not rely on protein shakes for an adequate supply of both protein and calories. I have gained like crazy (I started at 140lbs at 6'2 bro and am now 170lbs in only 5 months with a 2% bf increase) all from learning the proper way to diet. Check out the diet section and the videos that are posted in the stickies of that section. They worked miracles for me when it comes to dieting knowledge. I now stick to 2servings of whey immediately after I work out and 2 scoops of Casein protein right before bed. I have spent several hours/days creating a solid diet for myself and continue to tweak it for each additional pound I gain. Good luck brother and I applaud you for both asking advice and especially taking it. Eat right, and you will grow. Good luck.

**ScotchGuard** · 05-11-2010, 04:39 AM

I just had a long 'ol debate about the appropriate age to start an AAS cycle. I read and read a ton of studies related to endocrine development. My conclusion is that there are too many variables in your endocrine system that aren't fully matured until early to mid 20's. If you mess with the endo system you get some bad sides that might be permanent. The acne, shriveling nuts, adverse effects to your testosterone system, premature fusing of your bone platelets (you'll stop growing), limp pecker, the thinning of the cartilage, brittle joints, hair loss, etc. The endo system is pretty serious stuff. I'm not trying to be a naysayer. I take AAS myself so I'm the last one to say don't do it. I'm just saying that you should be educated before you start messing with such powerful substance as AAS. This forum really pushes safety. AAS might not be safe for you at your age. Give it some time.

**Michaelv305** · 05-11-2010, 01:32 PM

thanks, can u post a link to the diet section i cant find it, where is it under.

**Michaelv305** · 05-11-2010, 03:55 PM

nevermind i found it

**MaNiCC** · 05-11-2010, 04:00 PM

Michael

Read this **Guide on how to search for information on the forums**

it will help you find what your looking for in the future

MaNiCC

**Ashop** · 05-11-2010, 07:33 PM

At you age all you need is food ,,training,,sleep and some dedication. Your natural hormone balance is raging right now...use it to your advantage. Save the AAS for later in life if you decide its right then.

**rc_p90** · 05-11-2010, 07:34 PM

your kinda young bro.

**Shawn** · 05-11-2010, 09:28 PM

I agree with you all that he is young. But instead of trying to convince him not to do it, take into consideration the fact that he has the gear and he most likely will anyway. So why not just give him the information he needs to do this safely rather then just tell him not to do it and not give him the info and he ends up messing himself up.

**ScotchGuard** · 05-12-2010, 07:58 AM

The first cycle should be simple. Test E, 500mg/wk for 12 weeks, rest, PCT. I would recommend staying away from sustanon or dbol for the first cycle. I got bad acne from my first cycle with sustanon and I don't know which ester caused the acne. Keep it simple is the best way. I discourage AAS usage at a young age but if you're gonna do it any way, keep it simple and keep is safe.

**ghettoboyd** · 05-12-2010, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Shawn168

I agree with you all that he is young. But instead of trying to convince him not to do it, take into consideration the fact that he has the gear and he most likely will anyway. So why not just give him the information he needs to do this safely rather then just tell him not to do it and not give him the info and he ends up messing himself up.

hes already decided not to do it just yet so why are you bringing it back up and promoting the use of it....hes got pleanty of time now to do reasurch and figure it out for himself, theres no reason to spoon feed him the info when it can easly be found with a quick search.....besides hes only 17yrs old.....

**ghettoboyd** · 05-12-2010, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard

The first cycle should be simple. Test E, 500mg/wk for 12 weeks, rest, PCT. I would recommend staying away from sustanon or dbol for the first cycle. I got bad acne from my first cycle with sustanon and I don't know which ester caused the acne. Keep it simple is the best way. I discourage AAS usage at a young age but if you're gonna do it any way, keep it simple and keep is safe.

bro the kids 17yrs old....no need to be impressing us all with your knowledge by being the first to spoon feed him info hes not ready for...hes made the smart decision to wait and learn about the basics of diet and how to eat to grow first which is where everone should start.....food is the most anabolic substance on earth.....

**calgarian** · 05-12-2010, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Michaelv305

ok i just got 20 1ml amps of organon sustaon 250 and 500tabs of 10mg danabol ds and 60 20mg tamoxifen citrate tabs.

I was thinking of doing a cycle somethign liek this.

weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mg/day
weeks 1-10 500mg sus/week

18 days after last sus shot i will start a 4week pct

weeks 1-2 Nolvadex 40mg/day
weeks 2-4 Nolvadex 20mg/day

Im 5'10 165lbs been working out hard for 3 years am in the best shape of my life. im 17 now turn 18 in a month.

also how much do d-bol tabs sell for cause ima have alot left over.

u want t get big come workout with me for 2 weeks and after that if u wont see the results do what u want to do....KIDS like u dont know anything about diet and/or excersice so if u do it proper u dont need AAS at this young age nature will take over and u will kick ur own ass....

**calgarian** · 05-12-2010, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Shawn168

I agree with you all that he is young. But instead of trying to convince him not to do it, take into consideration the fact that he has the gear and he most likely will anyway. So why not just give him the information he needs to do this safely rather then just tell him not to do it and not give him the info and he ends up messing himself up.

we dont give advise to kids and in theory he shouldnt be on this board as well its 18 and above.....There are 2 kind of ppl one who learn from their own mistakes and second who learn from someone else's mistakes let him figure out which one is he....

**nyspqr** · 05-12-2010, 09:30 AM

Just don't do it.

**Shawn** · 05-12-2010, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by calgarian

we dont give advise to kids and in theory he shouldnt be on this board as well its 18 and above.....There are 2 kind of ppl one who learn from their own mistakes and second who learn from someone else's mistakes let him figure out which one is he....

good point..

**Michaelv305** · 05-13-2010, 01:21 PM

ya thanks for the advice ,i all ready sold my gear yesterday and made some profit =), but ya these past few days i have done alot of research about ASS and on proper dieting and training, and i also have been pushing myself alot harder in the gym, if by the time im 20 im not at 200lbs ill start thinking more aobut doing a cycle and not rushing into it befor doing any research.