new cycle: tren a + prop. Please Critique!!!

[adem-]

Hey guys,
So im starting to plan my next cycle. Gotta be prepared!! So i just need some information on a few things.

Stats
Age: 24
BF: 12%
Weight: 78.5kg
Height: 175cm

Previous cycle
weeks 1- 10, 150mg prop EOD.
PCT
Nolva, 40/40/20/20
Clen during PCT.

Proposed cycle:
weeks 1 - 10, 75mg ED Test Prop
weeks 1 - 8, 60mg ED Tren A

During PCT: clen 2 weeks on, 1 week off, 2 weeks on

PCT
Nolva : 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 20/20/20/20
Letrozol: ??????

So that is the basic rundown. Just a few questions....
1. Can i mix both the tren and prop in the same syringe?
2. How much letrozol should i take, how often, and how is it administered. and at what point should i start.
3. If i pin ED will i see less sides than pinning EOD.

If i could get some help with the questions and info provided that would be great.......

[D7M]

I really wouldn't suggest tren for a second cycle, my man.

[SAMS_DAD]

I'd agree w/ D7, i'd drop the tren since it's only your 2nd cycle. Maybe stack Masteron w/the test prop? It worked wonders for my for my 2nd cycle.

[laduem88]

i say go with masteron ...you will not be disappointed if your diet is in check. run the masteron 75mg ed

[newB06]

i hope someone actually answers ur questions because i am kinda interested in what the answers are too. not exactly sure why tren is being discouraged but i would think if they are gonna give that input they would answer atleast one of ur questions.

[adem-]

Ok thanks guys. But im from aust and masteron is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.....
So lets stick with the tren and prop. I looked at ten a and prop because i want to put on lean mass without the water retention. I hate the bloated look....

Can anyone answer my questions and is this a good cycle??

[D7M]

Hey guys,
So im starting to plan my next cycle. Gotta be prepared!! So i just need some information on a few things.

Stats
Age: 24
BF: 12%
Weight: 78.5kg
Height: 175cm

Previous cycle
weeks 1- 10, 150mg prop EOD.
PCT
Nolva, 40/40/20/20
Clen during PCT.

Proposed cycle:
weeks 1 - 10, 75mg ED Test Prop
weeks 1 - 8, 60mg ED Tren A

During PCT: clen 2 weeks on, 1 week off, 2 weeks on

PCT
Nolva : 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 20/20/20/20
Letrozol: ?????? Don't run letro in pct. Do some more research.

So that is the basic rundown. Just a few questions....
1. Can i mix both the tren and prop in the same syringe? Yes
2. How much letrozol should i take, how often, and how is it administered. and at what point should i start. Why are you talking about letro? are you gyno prone?
3. If i pin ED will i see less sides than pinning EOD. probably

If i could get some help with the questions and info provided that would be great.......

^bolds above.

i hope someone actually answers ur questions because i am kinda interested in what the answers are too. not exactly sure why tren is being discouraged but i would think if they are gonna give that input they would answer atleast one of ur questions.

^There. Answered.

The reason I don't recommend tren for a second cycle is not the sides (which you'll get whenever you take it), but why use something so powerful, when at this point something much milder will still yield results. Save your big guns for when you need them.

Ok thanks guys. But im from aust and masteron is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.....
So lets stick with the tren and prop. I looked at ten a and prop because i want to put on lean mass without the water retention. I hate the bloated look....

Can anyone answer my questions and is this a good cycle??

If you can't put on lean mass with prop and and oral you're doing something wrong.

Start your cycle lean and you won't have to worry about bloat.

Finally, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, if you have to ask if you can mix prop/tren in the same pin....you're probably not ready for tren.

[calgarian]

IMO cycle look good I dont mind tren used in second cycle its u get sides just stop it . As i said its just my opinion. Cant tell u anything abt PCT cause its not my area

[tboney]

^bolds above.



^There. Answered.

The reason I don't recommend tren for a second cycle is not the sides (which you'll get whenever you take it), but why use something so powerful, when at this point something much milder will still yield results. Save your big guns for when you need them.



If you can't put on lean mass with prop and and oral you're doing something wrong.

Start your cycle lean and you won't have to worry about bloat.

Finally, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, if you have to ask if you can mix prop/tren in the same pin....you're probably not ready for tren.

I agree with D7.... I would not use letro unless you have gyno. If you are worried about having issues with estro then get an AI to have on hand just in case but not Letro. Adex would be more appropriate. Letro is just to harsh in my opinion.

[plugthug]

I wouldn't mind knowing why tren is being discouraged as well. Anyway, I started a tren/ prop cycle over a week ago. I've been cycling for 7 years and I have ran my own tren "homebrew" once before. It is awesome stuff. I had to drop the prop this time and switch to sus 250. The prop was F'ing killing me.

1) Yes you can draw and shoot them in the same pin
2) Both compunds being short esther inherently have less androgenic sides. I don't believe the side effects they do have will be decreased by shooting ed. You will just get stuck twice as much.
3) Keep letro on hand if gyno becomes a prob. but I would prevent it all together by running liquidex (arimidex ) .25mg ed. Liq dex as I understand it is a estrogen site inhibitor and does not shut down estrogen production like letro leaving you susceptible to estrogen rebound. Also, just because you have never had gyno from prev. cycles doesn't mean you wont get it on the next one. It happened to me.

[adem-]

Thanks heaps for the answers. I already knew about the mixing but its better to be on the safe side.....
keeping the big stuff for later does sound pretty smart, what do you think would be another alternative??

[_CrossroadS_]

Wldn't hurt just taking prop your second go around. I did masteron , and was happy with the results. Got really hard, muscles started to get that grainy look. But I was single digit BF, don't know if you'll see the results unless you plan on leaning down in the cycle.

What were the results of your first cycle?

[tboney]

I wouldn't mind knowing why tren is being discouraged as well. Anyway, I started a tren/ prop cycle over a week ago. I've been cycling for 7 years and I have ran my own tren "homebrew" once before. It is awesome stuff. I had to drop the prop this time and switch to sus 250. The prop was F'ing killing me.

1) Yes you can draw and shoot them in the same pin
2) Both compunds being short esther inherently have less androgenic sides. I don't believe the side effects they do have will be decreased by shooting ed. You will just get stuck twice as much.
3) Keep letro on hand if gyno becomes a prob. but I would prevent it all together by running liquidex (arimidex) .25mg ed. Liq dex as I understand it is a estrogen site inhibitor and does not shut down estrogen production like letro leaving you susceptible to estrogen rebound. Also, just because you have never had gyno from prev. cycles doesn't mean you wont get it on the next one. It happened to me.

No bro. Both letro and adex are AIs (aromatase inhibitors). The difference is that letro just about kills all of the estrogen which is not good! You have to have some estro to make gains. Adex is more mild of an AI and will let you keep a little estro. Nolva and clomid are serms(selective estrogen receptor modulators).....

[adem-]

i have actually done 2 cycles. i just didnt want to mention the first one cos i completely fukt up and didnt do PCT. i was inexperienced. bad move!!

i started at 59kg. was scrawny as hell.
did 8 weeks. 2ml sus & 2ml deca each week. no PCT (stupid as hell) gained 10kg. Got really bad acne of this one. Didnt enjoy it, the acne didnt go away for 4 months.

2nd cycle did the prop one as mentioned. with proper PCT and diet. gained another 8kg. no acne. really good actually.

Im switched on with my diet now. sitting at 78.5kg and 12.5% bf. Wanting to move forward and put on more weight.

Do you think for the cycle proposed the PCt is sufficient??

[adem-]

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[Striatiostation]

with tren you do get less sides if you inject E/D -

night sweats are less.
nightmares are less.
tren cough isnt as bad.

i've done this exact cycle before.

i wouldnt really advise tren with your second cycle because sides are abit harsh.


and post your diet here, you said your diet is good. but unless its thought out and made by the gods of the cycling/dieting world. then its a different story

[laduem88]

^^agreed im doing 70mg ed

about 18 days in...no night sweats, no nightmares, no cough...nothing


just increased aggression, and i tend to sweat a little while doing low intensity cardio when i usally wouldent sweat

[adem-]

Hmm... im pretty set on tren , everyone seems to rate it pretty highly. And as for nightmares. i was getting that off GABBA anyway. really bad!!!

My Diet......

9:00am : 250ml egg whites + 1 cup oats. 1tbs natural penut butter. l- glutamine, fish oils, vitamin tabs, glucosamine, milk thistle

10:00am : small low fat yoghurt

11:00am : 1 tin tuna

1:00pm : 10oz chicken with sweet pot (yams) or brown rice & avocado

3:00pm : 8oz chicken or sashimi

5:00pm : 1 tin tuna and avocado

TRAINING (while training scivation BCAA's)

6:30pm Protein shake + l- glutamine

7:00pm 10oz beef/ chicken with salad and vege

9:30pm 250g cottage + l- glutamine

Its pretty much the same all week give or take. I usually cook up most of my food a couple of days prior. which saves me shit loads of time. but it sucks when my bros who are on the same diet try and scab my food!!
as for the weekends, i tend to lash out a little, not massively. I dont think its healthy to be 100% strict. im big on gym and have been for ages. but u have to live a little i think.

thoughts on the diet??

[sixxer]

Why just have the egg whites but then have the peanut butter?

I think the fats from the yolk > peanut butter.

And it looks like it may be a little light on calories.

[adem-]

i buy eggs whites in a carton, its so much easier than cracking like 10 eggs in the morning. thats why i use the penut butter.
im trying to stay lean though......

[gonzo6183]

masteron or anavar could be good options if you dont go with the tren

[adem-]

why would i go against tren though. i dont understand, if its done properly then wouldnt it be the most effective??