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    ?'s before 1st cycle....

    I am new to gear and i have some questions. I am 5' 10", 203lb, 16 %bf. I workout 5 or times weekly. All I am taking for supplements is Jack3d and protein. Im trying to gain some mass but i want definition more than mass. This is the biggest I have ever been. I do interval cardio every time I workout (burn about 600 calories in 20 min.)

    Here is what I was told to do for gaining definition and dropping fat. Let me know what you guys think......

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    Order two bottles of test enth
    thats 500mg one shot per week

    two bottles of deca mix in same syringe 1 cc
    and you will need pct so get nolva

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    500mg test enth
    300mg deca
    20mg nolva for 4 week two weeks after last injection

    This will be a 12 week basic cycle

    If injecting is a problem go with orals but to me its a waste of time if you really wanna get huge injection is the way to put 30lb of muscle in 12 weeks

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    I would leave Deca out of the 1st cycle and just stick to Test Enan.

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    I would drop your bf% alittle before starting your cycle.
    I agree drop the deca .
    Add clomid to your pct...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pump3d View Post
    (burn about 600 calories in 20 min.)

    wow! I done 20 mins last night like a madman and only burnt 400

    Aside that 007 has answered this one perfect

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    sorry, im 23. so you guys are saying do clomid and nolva (both) for my pct? anybody know any good stacks for when using winistrol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosedog View Post
    wow! I done 20 mins last night like a madman and only burnt 400

    Aside that 007 has answered this one perfect

    Ya i do high interval cardio (2min warm up....40 sec. high rep and 20 sec of rest) for 20-22 min and that puts me damn near 600 calories
    Last edited by pump3d; 05-13-2010 at 06:16 AM.

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    and how much bf% should i drop?

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    15% or below... ideally a little below that.
    If you have them on hand Id do both.

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    Drop the deca bro.

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    -Drop the deca
    -drop the bodyfat
    -Get bloodwork done
    -Map out perfect diet and training routine
    -buy gear and get ready for the best 3 months of ur life

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    Ok I keep hearing drop the deca but should I replace it with something else?

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    ???....bump.....

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    No you should not replace it with something else you want your first cycle to be simple as possible test and a good pct should be enough this way if you have any sides you know where its coming from. Some people kick start there cycles with dbol for the first 4 weeks but I wouldnt do a simple test cycle and if once you are done and feel you can do another one later down the line you can add another aas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
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    I would drop your bf% alittle before starting your cycle.
    I agree drop the deca .
    Add clomid to your pct...
    Totally agree about the clomid, I have been reading alot of peoples threads and they are only running nolva and I still am asking myself why are they still not including clomid!

    but to the OP your pct should be
    clomid 100/100/50/50
    nolva 40/40/20/20

    alot of people run it differently but thats how I will run mine.

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    I know im gonna run test E but everyone is telling me drop deca ..... Should I stack it with something else besides deca? Im open to suggestions here guys

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    Dont need to really stack with anything..You will have great results using test only on your first cycle...Assuming your diet is on point and your working out hard...See how your body reacts to test first, if estrogen is a issue on cycle... Then second cycle add deca on or something... GL

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    ??... bump

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