First Cycle Help!

**Hcc5881** · 05-20-2010, 05:28 PM

My name is Ben and I am 29 years old. I have been lifting weights on and off for about 10 years now. Although I usually lift, take time off, lift, take time off... etc., I have been lifting consistently for about 1.5 years now. At this point, I believe that I have hit my natural limitations as far as strength and mass gains. Recently, I have contacted a clinic for HRT and I am considering my first cycle of anabolic steroids . I am adamant about keeping this legal (hence HRT) although the price is a big downer (I have a family and don't want to get in trouble). Below you can see my stats:

STATS
Age: 29
Height: 5'6"
weight: 169lbs
BF: 12.8%
Bench: 225lbs. X 6
Squat: 185lbs. X 10 (I cannot squat due to a bad right knee)

LAB WORK
Test: 610
IGF1: 212

After talking to the physician about HRT, he recommended that I take the following cycle for my first experience:

Test Cyp: 300mg X 1 weekly
Deca (nandrolone ): 200mg X 1 weekly
Arimidex : .5mg EOD
Testogain & B Vital: Rotated Daily
(for a cycle length of 12 weeks)
PCT: HCG , Clomid, Novadex

I am looking to gain a moderate (10-15lbs) pounds of mass and cut about 3% body fat off this cycle. I understand that this test/deca cycle is very conservative but I feel like it will be a safe cycle due to the fact that we do not know how my body will react.... BUT will it work!?? For the money I am spending, I have read several threads that recommend bumping test to 400mg-600mg weekly and Deca to 300mg weekly. I am looking for an opinion from experienced users that can help guide me wisely and safely. I appreciate your time. Thanks!

**Hazard** · 05-20-2010, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Hcc5881

My name is Ben and I am 29 years old. I have been lifting weights on and off for about 10 years now. Although I usually lift, take time off, lift, take time off... etc., I have been lifting consistently for about 1.5 years now. At this point, I believe that I have hit my natural limitations as far as strength and mass gains. Recently, I have contacted a clinic for HRT and I am considering my first cycle of anabolic steroids . I am adamant about keeping this legal (hence HRT) although the price is a big downer (I have a family and don't want to get in trouble). Below you can see my stats:

STATS
Age: 29
Height: 5'6"
weight: 169lbs
BF: 12.8%
Bench: 225lbs. X 6
Squat: 185lbs. X 10 (I cannot squat due to a bad right knee)

LAB WORK
Test: 610
IGF1: 212

After talking to the physician about HRT, he recommended that I take the following cycle for my first experience:

Test Cyp: 300mg X 1 weekly
Deca (nandrolone ): 200mg X 1 weekly
Arimidex : .5mg EOD
Testogain & B Vital: Rotated Daily
(for a cycle length of 12 weeks)
PCT: HCG , Clomid, Novadex

I am looking to gain a moderate (10-15lbs) pounds of mass and cut about 3% body fat off this cycle. I understand that this test/deca cycle is very conservative but I feel like it will be a safe cycle due to the fact that we do not know how my body will react.... BUT will it work!?? For the money I am spending, I have read several threads that recommend bumping test to 400mg-600mg weekly and Deca to 300mg weekly. I am looking for an opinion from experienced users that can help guide me wisely and safely. I appreciate your time. Thanks!

Well..... the thing is.... An HRT clinic will never really let your levels get too out of control. 300mg's a week of test is certainly higher than what the natural human produces..... most guys just run more because if they are going to shut down their natural production..... they want to make it worth it.

Will you see gains? I'm sure you will..... how much tho will depend on a lot of factors. The dosages are low and could be higher...... but if you want to keep it legal..... this will be about the best you are going to get.

~Haz~

**Hcc5881** · 05-20-2010, 05:38 PM

Hazard> thanks for the quick reply and input! much appreciated! What would YOU do for your first cycle? Or do you think 300mg is sufficient? I also heard that I won't see any results from the Deca at 200mg a week... Opinions? Thanks bro.

**thisbmine** · 05-20-2010, 05:47 PM

Nice physician. Did he prescribe these for you too?

I personally would up the test. Read nothing but positive things about upping it. And its just a little more (cost wise) without increasing side effects.

Personally Im on a cycle and was considering doing 250mg a week of Sustanon 250, however have upped it to 500 after reading many posts advising this would provide better results.

**Hazard** · 05-20-2010, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Hcc5881

Hazard> thanks for the quick reply and input! much appreciated! What would YOU do for your first cycle? Or do you think 300mg is sufficient? I also heard that I won't see any results from the Deca at 200mg a week... Opinions? Thanks bro.

Honestly..... I'd run 500mg's test for 12 weeks as a 1st cycle.

The deca dosage is low..... i'm not sure what you will see form it outside of joint lubrication. HRT docs prescribe it for just that..... joint lubrication. Deca can shut you down hard and may not be worth adding in there if you will be running a pct.

That brings up another question..... is your doc keeping you on 300mg's/wk forever or is he going to take you off every 12 weeks.... check blood.... and send you back on? I ask because the latter is what my fathers HRT doc does.....

~Haz~

**Noles12** · 05-20-2010, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Honestly..... I'd run 500mg's test for 12 weeks as a 1st cycle.

The deca dosage is low..... i'm not sure what you will see form it outside of joint lubrication. HRT docs prescribe it for just that..... joint lubrication. Deca can shut you down hard and may not be worth adding in there if you will be running a pct.

That brings up another question..... is your doc keeping you on 300mg's/wk forever or is he going to take you off every 12 weeks.... check blood.... and send you back on? I ask because the latter is what my fathers HRT doc does.....

~Haz~

^^x2

**gixxerboy1** · 05-20-2010, 06:09 PM

im on hrt now. and my script is for 200mg's every other week and my levels are slightly above the normal range. No way you will get 300mg a week for hrt.

Haz gave you a very good cycle

**Hcc5881** · 05-21-2010, 06:38 AM

Haz> point well taken. I Believe the doc will run me 12 weeks then off for blood work. Pct then another cycle. If I bump my test up to 500mg do I need to up my Arimidex too?just wondering.
Gix> the physician is the one who recommended 300mg per week, not me. Maybe I just got lucky but I am sure he knows my intent with this medication. He has already prescribed me 20ml 200mg/ml test cyp and 10ml 200mg/ml nandrolone .

**sigman roid** · 05-21-2010, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Hcc5881

Haz> point well taken. I Believe the doc will run me 12 weeks then off for blood work. Pct then another cycle. If I bump my test up to 500mg do I need to up my Arimidex too?just wondering.
Gix> the physician is the one who recommended 300mg per week, not me. Maybe I just got lucky but I am sure he knows my intent with this medication. He has already prescribed me 20ml 200mg/ml test cyp and 10ml 200mg/ml nandrolone.

If you bump the test upto 500mg i'd leave the arimidex at .5mg.

**stevey_6t9** · 05-21-2010, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Hcc5881

My name is Ben and I am 29 years old. I have been lifting weights on and off for about 10 years now. Although I usually lift, take time off, lift, take time off... etc., I have been lifting consistently for about 1.5 years now. At this point, I believe that I have hit my natural limitations as far as strength and mass gains. Recently, I have contacted a clinic for HRT and I am considering my first cycle of anabolic steroids . I am adamant about keeping this legal (hence HRT) although the price is a big downer (I have a family and don't want to get in trouble). Below you can see my stats:

STATS
Age: 29
Height: 5'6"
weight: 169lbs
BF: 12.8%
Bench: 225lbs. X 6
Squat: 185lbs. X 10 (I cannot squat due to a bad right knee)

LAB WORK
Test: 610
IGF1: 212

After talking to the physician about HRT, he recommended that I take the following cycle for my first experience:

Test Cyp: 300mg X 1 weekly
Deca (nandrolone ): 200mg X 1 weekly
Arimidex : .5mg EOD
Testogain & B Vital: Rotated Daily
(for a cycle length of 12 weeks)
PCT: HCG , Clomid, Novadex

I am looking to gain a moderate (10-15lbs) pounds of mass and cut about 3% body fat off this cycle. I understand that this test/deca cycle is very conservative but I feel like it will be a safe cycle due to the fact that we do not know how my body will react.... BUT will it work!?? For the money I am spending, I have read several threads that recommend bumping test to 400mg-600mg weekly and Deca to 300mg weekly. I am looking for an opinion from experienced users that can help guide me wisely and safely. I appreciate your time. Thanks!

If you dont mind me asking you a few questions...

1) why were u put on TRT?
2) why did your doc put you on 300mg of cyp weekly, thats 210mg of test per week, 3-4 times then average normally produced.
3) why did you doc. prescribe you deca, do you have an injury?

**Hazard** · 05-21-2010, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

If you dont mind me asking you a few questions...

1) why were u put on TRT?
2) why did your doc put you on 300mg of cyp weekly, thats 210mg of test per week, 3-4 times then average normally produced.
3) why did you doc. prescribe you deca, do you have an injury?

There are HRT clinics out there that prescribe "mini cycles" - my father goes to one. You're not put on 100mg's/wk and never come off..... they prescribe 250mg's/wk for 12 weeks, then you run HCG for 40 days and clomid for 3 weeks. After that..... bloodwork is done and then you go back on.

I don't think these places are set up for your "well being" - tho they do monitor everything. It's sort of a loophole in the system.....

~Haz~

**stevey_6t9** · 05-21-2010, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

There are HRT clinics out there that prescribe "mini cycles" - my father goes to one. You're not put on 100mg's/wk and never come off..... they prescribe 250mg's/wk for 12 weeks, then you run HCG for 40 days and clomid for 3 weeks. After that..... bloodwork is done and then you go back on.

I don't think these places are set up for your "well being" - tho they do monitor everything. It's sort of a loophole in the system.....

~Haz~

interesting, i wud have never imagined.

**Hcc5881** · 05-21-2010, 07:54 AM

Haz has got the idea. It's expensive as hell this route though! And steve, I don't mind you askig questions at all. In fact, I invite them! I will try to get your answers to you when I have a min away from work.

**Hcc5881** · 05-24-2010, 09:45 AM

Steve> basically I decided that I wanted to use anabolic steroids for a great portion of the last ten years of my life. I have held off in order to mature and keep my priorities straight. I was really just a personal preferance.
So as i stated, I have a fam and I don't want to do anything to jepordize their well being. I decided to do quite a bit a research on HRT, TRT, etc. And on the way I found a clinic that prescribes TRT and HRT. I called, spoke with someone, did a physical, blood work, and we began talking about therapy. I want to have the care of a physician to maintain my health throughout this adventure. It is definately a great route to go but very expensive!! So expensive that I have had second thoughts.
I will do my first 12 week cycle, check vitals and stats, do pct, and work from there. Oh, and no injury. The physician recommended that I take deca for lubrication. At such a low dose, I may drop it though because I don't want to shut down too hard. It's too bad because I have read that you make wonderful and quality mass gains from deca. But I want to consult the physician. The reason the doc prescribed 300mg weekly is because I am sure he knows my intentions are to grow.

**Hcc5881** · 05-24-2010, 09:48 AM

When I run this cycle, would you guys be interested in me keeping a journal? I am not shy to answer questions, post all my blood work, and pics. You all probably have enough education that you don't need me for a research subject, but I will offer anyway.

**Hazard** · 05-24-2010, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Hcc5881

When I run this cycle, would you guys be interested in me keeping a journal? I am not shy to answer questions, post all my blood work, and pics. You all probably have enough education that you don't need me for a research subject, but I will offer anyway.

Yes..... journals are always welcome. Especially when accompanied with proper bloodwork and pics

~Haz~

**Hcc5881** · 06-06-2010, 04:34 PM

Guys> just wanted to give you an update. Gear is in the mail. I am going to wait just a bit longer before starting to push my natural limits. I have decided to take your advice and run test alone and probably at 400mg/week. I will post blood results and all info when I start. Thanks.