Good Sensible Critique of my Cycle please.....

[STEEL1983]

Please provide opinions please for the following cycle I am currently doing and if the good lean results expected are achievable:-

EOD -

50mg of Tren Acetate (first time using Tren so wanted to keep the dose sensible to minimise any potential sides)
100mg of Test Prop.

This is my fourth cycle but I have only ever used long estered AAS such as Test enth, Deca , Test Cyp and also used sustanon 250 and testablend (300mg).
Having read the fourms for a while It looks as though the general opinion is that Tren is the way forward overall.

I am 26yrs old, 5"9 tall, weigh 16 stones bang on (sorry english weight), been training for about 9 years now four of which have been seriously.
I have entered a bodybuilding show in the past (it was a natural show - or so i thought! :-) and consider myself to be a serious bodybuilder.
My bodyfat is 12% at the moment.

I haev been on the cycle for two weeks now and haven't really noticed a great increase in test levels, if anything I'm very disapointed as my energy levels have dipped a little in comparison to the other cycles.

Am I expecting too much from this cycle?

[Matt]

Imo your tren is a little on the low side, id have run it at 100mg eod...

[STEEL1983]

I know, With it being the first time using Tren I was a little wary regarding sides, kinda have the opinion of its better to take to little then too much.
This will know doubt be corrected next time I use Tren.

To be fair the guy I bought it off also warned me by advising taking this amount of Tren for my first time as the stuff was strong, which to be fair I thought was good advice.

Should I still get decent results though is it a case of jack the amount up to 100mg soon as?

My only other worry being that trhe injections would be 3ml per time.

[STEEL1983]

Further more guys.....

What would be the perfect cycle for me in your opinion as a first time Tren /Prop user and please if you could include a PCT.

[STEEL1983]

Can anyone help me please regarding my last two posts?

[MMArmour]

3ml isnt a problem so long as your are rotating your sites properly.
Id run it

Most believe tren a should be pinned ED not EOD. Some people (Big) prescribe even prop at ED inj. basis. So bare this in mind.

I would say that generally ppl on this site run prop @ 400-800mg/wk and tren anywhere from 300-600mg/wk. im not prescribing you run the upwards of these numbers. If you can design a PCT to be critiqued then you dont have business cycling. Take a stab at your own pct and show us.

[STEEL1983]

Thanks for the prompt reply....

Will increasing the Tren to 100mg EOD after two weeks cause any harm?

MY PCT (after a little help from the forum members here) will be:-

1 week - 40mg nolvadex ed, 40mg Clomid ed
2nd week - 40mg nolvadex ed, 40mg Clomid ed
3rd week - 20mg nolvadex ed, 20mg Clomid ed
4th week - 20mg nolvadex ed, 20mg Clomid ed

with regards to the HCG I'm still awaiting a definitive anwer as to the dose for this cycle I'm doing, but will definately be doing HCG. I want a proper PCT for this cycle.

[MMArmour]

You can bump your tren up if you feel like doing so but be careful to not be manipulating it too much or youre inviting sides. PCT is fine. as far as HCG its been over a year since ive used it (havent been cycling in awhile) and have forgotten alot on hcg. The educational threads will have a ton of info for you. How long do you plan to wait between last inj to start pct?

[STEEL1983]

If I'm not mistaken I can start my PCT 4 days after the last Prop Injection due to the 2-3 day life span of Prop.
A lot of threads seem to suggest that when doing a Tren /Prop cycle to continue test prop for two weeks after the last Tren injection?

Don't know if anyone can confirm this for me?

Also regarding HCG , I'm getting conflicting info regarding dosage, I keep asking for clarification on the matter in the HCG section but seem to be hitting a brickwall.

[dieseljimmy]

I always shot prop and tren everyday- got to- trust me on this one. if you have some mass 3 ml in most muscles is not a big deal. just make sure you have a good rotation. If your looking to add to your cycle without bumping tren consider some masteron or some oral winny or proviron .
I also run HCG in pct mostly(occasionally during long cycle for a testes pick up)
HCG for PCT-I run for 3 weeks
first week 5000 units. (5 1000 unit shots)
second week 2500 units( 2 1000 unit, 1 500 unit)
third week same as second week.
HCG during cycle- 1000 units a week for 2 or 3 weeks.

you planned PCT looks ok. I usually hit the clomid hard for two weeks. (more like 100 mg a day) and nolva similar to what you have planned.

[STEEL1983]

With regards to the end of my cycle of Tren and Prop .........

should I continue to run Test Prop at a higher dose of 200mg EOD for two weeks after stopping using tren and then after my last Prop injection start the PCT 4 days later?