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    Keeping gains?

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    11%-12% BF (gained a little since my last measurement, i have 2 months to low this to atleast 10% if necessary)
    height: 180cm
    weight: 79kg
    age: 22 yrs old.

    After i did my research, i believe 500mg of Enan and a good PCT would give me what i need. I plan on starting my cycle in 2 more months, i'll be almost 23 by then.

    But my issue is this, i don't want to do more than 1 cycle every year.

    What do you think is the AAS or combination of AAS' that will make me gain the most, but also, allow me to KEEP the most of that hard earned gain? I want to keep atleast 20lbs after PCT is over.

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    good pct, good routine & good diet

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    You are too young wait a year or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMunchRoidz View Post
    good pct, good routine & good diet
    But i've read that there are AAS that will not give you gains that allow you to keep for a long time after the PCT.

    I've read Var gives you good gains you can keep for long time, but i can't afford Var.

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    At your height and weight it sounds to me like you can still gain a lot naturally especially at your age....

    Good Diet, good training reg and you should be fine

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    Will i keep gains for the rest of the year if i do Test enan atleast at 400mg/week and a good PCT, with a good diet and workout?

    Also, i'm studying finances and it's hard, takes lots of time to study and burns my brain, i wonder if while i'm on the PCT, the lack of natty test will affect my performance at university, i really can't afford to fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bertuzzi View Post
    At your height and weight it sounds to me like you can still gain a lot naturally especially at your age....

    Good Diet, good training reg and you should be fine
    I agree, i'm on HST and it yields good results, but i need to get bigger and leaner for working in the summer. All i care about is keeping the gains, i really can't afford 2 cycles per year.
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    keeping gains. has to do with PCT, diet and training.

    is this is your first cycle keep it simple.

    you are a bit light but if you plan on doing it in 2 months you can pack on more weight by then too

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Td00 View Post
    Will i keep gains for the rest of the year if i do Test enan atleast at 400mg/week and a good PCT, with a good diet and workout?

    Also, i'm studying finances and it's hard, takes lots of time to study and burns my brain, i wonder if while i'm on the PCT, the lack of natty test will affect my performance at university, i really can't afford to fail.



    I agree, i'm on HST and it yields good results, but i need to get bigger and leaner for working in the summer. All i care about is keeping the gains, i really can't afford 2 cycles per year.
    Can you afford the diet/food and time dedicated to the gym? If not you wont keep them. I spend 2x as much as I use to on food than I did 2 years ago one due to quantity d 2 due to quality.

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    in that 2month work ur ass off to put on as much lean weight as u can, ur prob got a fast metabolism and what ever u put on it will be lean muscle anyway. As for the cycle test e can come in 250mg per shot so if u do 500mg a week which is two shots a week for 12weeks Ull be ok, it will take about 3weeks for u to feal it. Now for u to keep them gains will depend on 4 things 1. A good physic base 2. Your diet 3. Training 4. a good pct

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-gunz View Post
    keeping gains. has to do with PCT, diet and training.

    is this is your first cycle keep it simple.

    you are a bit light but if you plan on doing it in 2 months you can pack on more weight by then too

    good luck
    Yes, i'll stick to Test Enan or Cyp. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Can you afford the diet/food and time dedicated to the gym? If not you wont keep them. I spend 2x as much as I use to on food than I did 2 years ago one due to quantity d 2 due to quality.
    I already afford the food but time isn't on my side, i can do 2 hours a day sessions, 4 times per week max.

    I don't know how my mind will do when i'm shut down and with no test in my body during PCT, but i've always trained hard, and i hope i can keep up with my training after i get off the enan or cyp.

    Quote Originally Posted by gym_junki View Post
    in that 2month work ur ass off to put on as much lean weight as u can, ur prob got a fast metabolism and what ever u put on it will be lean muscle anyway. As for the cycle test e can come in 250mg per shot so if u do 500mg a week which is two shots a week for 12weeks Ull be ok, it will take about 3weeks for u to feal it. Now for u to keep them gains will depend on 4 things 1. A good physic base 2. Your diet 3. Training 4. a good pct
    Thanks for the tips, i had a badass acne when i was a teenager and i'm losing a little bit of hair, do you think 500mg/week is just fine and won't make me have much side effects?

    Question 2: Enan or Cyp? No Prop for me, i don't want EOD or ED doses.
    Last edited by Td00; 05-30-2010 at 02:13 AM.

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    stick with test e. About the side effects every one is different some people can do 300mgs and can't handel it and there's people that will do a 1000mg and have no problems, so you will have to work out what dose ur body will react to.
    Just take ur shots on time to keep ur blood pressure steady that will minimise ur side effects

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    Quote Originally Posted by gym_junki View Post
    stick with test e. About the side effects every one is different some people can do 300mgs and can't handel it and there's people that will do a 1000mg and have no problems, so you will have to work out what dose ur body will react to.
    Just take ur shots on time to keep ur blood pressure steady that will minimise ur side effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by Td00 View Post
    Stats:
    11%-12% BF (gained a little since my last measurement, i have 2 months to low this to atleast 10% if necessary)
    height: 180cm
    weight: 79kg
    age: 22 yrs old.

    After i did my research, i believe 500mg of Enan and a good PCT would give me what i need. I plan on starting my cycle in 2 more months, i'll be almost 23 by then.

    But my issue is this, i don't want to do more than 1 cycle every year.

    What do you think is the AAS or combination of AAS' that will make me gain the most, but also, allow me to KEEP the most of that hard earned gain? I want to keep atleast 20lbs after PCT is over.

    At 180cm and 79kg you should be eating more and gaining weight naturally before you even think about AAS. If I were you I would reassess in 12 months time IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gym_junki View Post
    stick with test e. About the side effects every one is different some people can do 300mgs and can't handel it and there's people that will do a 1000mg and have no problems, so you will have to work out what dose ur body will react to.
    Just take ur shots on time to keep ur blood pressure steady that will minimise ur side effects
    Thanks for the reply.

    Out of curiosity, why Enan and not Cyp?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xtralarg View Post
    At 180cm and 79kg you should be eating more and gaining weight naturally before you even think about AAS. If I were you I would reassess in 12 months time IMHO.
    That's a possibility. If university gets too tough for me i won't risk being shutdown during PCT. My next year will be better.

    What's a good weight and bf% at 23 years old and 180cm tall for using AAS?
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    Test c/e are more or less the same.....

    Xtralarg gave what i thought was a solid piece of advice, id run with that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Test c/e are more or less the same.....

    Xtralarg gave what i thought was a solid piece of advice, id run with that..
    more or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Td00 View Post
    more or less?
    That you can find out by doing a little research....but as 007 said, they are more or less the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtralarg View Post
    That you can find out by doing a little research....but as 007 said, they are more or less the same.
    I've been researching for months now, but i can't find a single thread that explains the differences. I think i'll just stick to the Enan anyways because it's the one i can get.

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    If i do a good PCT, good diet and keep exercising, will i keep most of the non-water gains after the Enan cycle?

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    **edit whoops, wrong one. I think it's prop that has the shortest ester and that requires more frequency because it exits the body the quickest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MercuryEvo View Post
    Test C needs to be injected more often. Go with Test E
    No it doesnt, please stop giving bad advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtralarg View Post
    No it doesnt, please stop giving bad advice.
    Edited**, I was confusing with prop

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