Anavar - 1st time with AAS

**ArmyMan04** · 06-17-2010, 04:43 PM

So I am going to make my first needled AAS with the beginner test e in some 3 - 4 months. But i was wondering can I do an oral for my first time? Does that help the virginity (moving from oral to then a needled) or does it even matter?

After looking around and searching about Anavar I was thinking about doing:

4 weeks at 100mg ED.

PCT

Clomid 70/35/35/35
Torem 120/60/60/60

I also have on hand Letro, Aromasin , and HCG (all which i was planning to run on the begginer cycle- not with this one)

4 weeks is a little short (BJJ suggested 6 @ 80) but I saw it suggested and know orals are not very friendly to the liver (although Var is less toxic) so was just wondering what others thought.

What are your thoughts?

Also if i just ran this (at either 4 or 6) when would I be able to start my Test E cycle?

oh and
25
6'0
220
13%
First with steroids in general
Been searching all about PCT
been training for 9 years; hard for 5.
Diet has been critiqued here: Cutting Diet (Take 3)

**bjpennnn** · 06-17-2010, 04:57 PM

i would just go with this man
Test beginner cycle info

**ArmyMan04** · 06-17-2010, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

i would just go with this man
Test beginner cycle info

I will be going with that in a 3- 4 months... but was wondering if I could do a oral before than. Thanks for replying.

**ArmyMan04** · 06-17-2010, 08:58 PM

bump before bed =]

**10nispro** · 06-17-2010, 09:33 PM

No reason to get in a hurry and run an oral. Plus 4 weeks isn't even worth the trouble. Keep working out and getting used to eating lots. And research as much as u can. If u have any more questions, hit me up

**MercuryEvo** · 06-17-2010, 10:23 PM

I'm currently on anavar . Taking 50mg a day.

First of all, Your going to want to ramp it up and not just jump into 100mg.

Second of all, Anavar does not aromatize, so you don't need to do a PCT.

Third of all, Anavar takes about 3-4 weeks to do anything anyway, so taking for only 4 weeks might not do much. I'm on my 3rd week and have noticed barely anything. Basically I can't tell if it's in my head or not. I could just have some small natural gains because I've been pushing myself harder while taking it. I'm going to give it another week or 2 until I run out (I have about 60-70 pills left) and then probably call it quits.

I've never stuck any AAS either and it took me about 3 years to get the balls up to try it. I'm currently sourcing it and plan to start in about a month.

**Angel of death** · 06-18-2010, 02:26 AM

dont need a pct huh? bro where do you get this shit from? how about you dont give out advice if you dont know what you're talking about

**Morgoth** · 06-18-2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by MercuryEvo

I'm currently on anavar . Taking 50mg a day.

First of all, Your going to want to ramp it up and not just jump into 100mg.

Second of all, Anavar does not aromatize, so you don't need to do a PCT.

Third of all, Anavar takes about 3-4 weeks to do anything anyway, so taking for only 4 weeks might not do much. I'm on my 3rd week and have noticed barely anything. Basically I can't tell if it's in my head or not. I could just have some small natural gains because I've been pushing myself harder while taking it. I'm going to give it another week or 2 until I run out (I have about 60-70 pills left) and then probably call it quits.

I've never stuck any AAS either and it took me about 3 years to get the balls up to try it. I'm currently sourcing it and plan to start in about a month.

WHy do you suggest ramping it up? What sort of sides have you been getting on the var? Any aggression?

**Chev** · 06-18-2010, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Angel of death

dont need a pct huh? bro where do you get this shit from? how about you dont give out advice if you dont know what you're talking about

BINGO!!!!!!!!!

If your going to run it, do it right. You dont need 100 per day when youve never done AAS.

7-8 weeks is the norm, do some more research.... or you will be wasting a very pricy AAS.

**MercuryEvo** · 06-18-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Angel of death

dont need a pct huh? bro where do you get this shit from? how about you dont give out advice if you dont know what you're talking about

Anavar doesn't aromatize, doesn't inhibit endogenous Test because it doesn't inhibit LH.

Now this is given on a cycle up to 6-8 weeks. Anything past that, I wouldn't do. It's a fast acting fast clearing drug with short half-life (8-9 hours)

And where do I get my info from? Personal experience, friend experience and google. Google anavar, read how it works, what it does. PCT is rebounding natural hormones. 6 weeks of var isn't going to inhibit natural test enough to require HCG or a PCT. And running HCG during is probably going to cause gyno if anything, then you need an AI as well. Var barely does anything as it is.

**WilliamCutting** · 06-18-2010, 11:09 AM

Maybe you should take your own advice.

I Googled Anavar and within 30 seconds of my search I read this:

"It also does not significantly influence the body's normal testosterone production (HPTA axis) at low dosages (10 mg). When dosages are high, the human body reacts by reducing the production of LH (luteinizing hormone), thinking endogenous testosterone production is too high; this in turn eliminates further stimulation of Leydig cells in the testicles, causing testicular atrophy (shrinking). Oxandrolone used in a dose of 80 mg/day suppressed endogenous testosterone by 67% after 12 weeks of therapy."

That seems to contradict what you were saying:

"Anavar...doesn't inhibit endogenous Test because it doesn't inhibit LH."

**Jahcuree** · 06-18-2010, 11:29 AM

Mercury = dumber than sh1t. dont give advice if your giving bad or incorrect.

**Chev** · 06-18-2010, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jahcuree

Mercury = dumber than sh1t. dont give advice if your giving bad or incorrect.

Amen^^

**Future22** · 06-18-2010, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Chev

Amen^^

Concur

**MercuryEvo** · 06-18-2010, 12:21 PM

Here come the fan boys

I'm not the only one who says this PCT for Anavar

And I guess there are conflicting views of it. I'm on it, I've noticed no testicular atrophy and no loss in libido.

**MercuryEvo** · 06-18-2010, 12:26 PM

From http://www.anabolicfacts.com/dihydro...scription.aspx

So why else may you keep such a high proportion of what you gained on 'var? It may be due to it's relatively light impact on the HPTA, which brings me to my final point: Anavar will not totally shut down your HPTA, especially at lower doses (unlike testosterone, which will eventually do this even at a 100mg dose, or Deca which will do it with a single 100mg dose). This could be due, at least partly, to the fact that Anavar doesn't aromatize (convert to estrogen). Serum testosterone, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and LH (Leutinizing Hormone) will be slightly suppressed with low doses of Anavar, but less than with other compounds. FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone), IGF1 (Insulin Like Growth Factor 1) and GH (Growth Hormone) will not be suppressed with a low dose of Anavar and LH will even experience a "rebound" effect when you stop using it (3). If your endocrine system and HPTA are functioning normally, you should be able to use Anavar with minimal insult to it, and can even keep most of your values within the normal range (5).

Thus, Anavar may even be ideal for use in bridges between cycles, (at very low doses under 10mgs perhaps), or as previously mentioned, for cutting/strength cycles at 50-100mgs.
Its relatively high cost is its only major drawback. Many black market dealers or underground labs, however, offer capsules, liquid form or, in some cases, even their own brand of tabs for substantially less money than the legit pharmaceutical versions, or even veterinary versions found overseas.

So let me reiterate. You don't need to PCT because at 50mg-60mg a day, it's still considered a low enough dosage. If burn victims are given up to 80mg's a day without any HRT afterwards, then 50mg's should be no problem.

**POPS** · 06-18-2010, 12:58 PM

I would recc. 60-80 mg day split up equally twice a day and run it for 6-7 weeks. Don't forget your support. Pct should be nolva @40/40/20/20.

I ran var and tbol and this is how I dosed the var. Pct was the same but I did nolva and clomid. 5 days left of pct and I still have the strength that I had 3-4 weeks ago..... Anything else I can do just hit me up....

**ArmyMan04** · 06-19-2010, 08:28 AM

Everyone thanks for the input... i appreciate it... I got some advice from BJJ and am planning on running it 6 weeks. Just was curious on what others thought as well...

As far as the PCT, I am prolly going to run it anyway. Just to be safe..

Again guys... thanks!

**Angel of death** · 06-20-2010, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by MercuryEvo

From http://www.anabolicfacts.com/dihydro...scription.aspx

So let me reiterate. You don't need to PCT because at 50mg-60mg a day, it's still considered a low enough dosage. If burn victims are given up to 80mg's a day without any HRT afterwards, then 50mg's should be no problem.

....I don't really care what one website says. why the **** not be safe rather then potentially sorry?