Future 1st cycle, critique please

**Dan111** · 06-28-2010, 09:58 PM

New member here, lurked and researched for awhile though before becoming a member.

So to start with and make clear I am still in the research phase and I do not plan on doing my first cycle for another couple months. I am 24 yrs old, 5'10, 170lbs and around 8% BF. I plan on naturally putting on another 10lbs or so before possibly using AAS.

After reading countless threads and researching on the forums for weeks now I have a good idea for a first cycle based off everything I have read, but I would like it critiqued and/or tweaked if it has to be. I am obviously planning on having everything on hand before starting.

Dbol week 1-4 @ 40mg per day

Test E week 1-10 @ 500mg per week

Liquid Letro beginning 2 weeks before cycle @ .25mg per day and lasting through the whole cycle

Nolva for PCT for 4 weeks after cycle @ 10mg per day

It seems everyone has an opinion about how to cycle, what to cycle with, what to take on PCT, when to start PCT, etc etc...so the above cycle I'm thinking of is based off of what the majority of people have said would be good for a first cycle, so it's not like I just read one persons advice and decided on it.

The only thing I'm not too sure about is how long after the cycle should I start taking the Nolva? I've read to not take it until 2 weeks after my last Test E injection but I've also read to take it during the last few weeks of the cycle and also read to take it right after the cycle is over...sooo...a little help there would be nice!

Anyway, feel free to critique and offer your advice/opinions. I am not going to start anytime soon, so I am willing to change around the cycle.

Thanks!

-Dan

~Semper Fi~

**Big** · 06-28-2010, 09:59 PM

I would not even consider taking the letro, and I would use clomid and nolva for pct

**G4R** · 06-28-2010, 10:02 PM

Yeah, you can add more weight naturally, so obviously, start there. Also remember, you dont have to start using steroids just because you around the proper age, weight and BF minimal "requirements". Steroids should come after you have reached your bodies full natural potential.

**Dan111** · 06-28-2010, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I would not even consider taking the letro, and I would use clomid and nolva for pct

Any particular reason not to use letro? Seems a lot of people on here swear by it.

Originally Posted by going4ripped

Yeah, you can add more weight naturally, so obviously, start there. Also remember, you dont have to start using steroids just because you around the proper age, weight and BF minimal "requirements". Steroids should come after you have reached your bodies full natural potential.

Yes, I agree and totally understand. I am certainly not 100% decided to start using AAS yet, so I very well (and probably will) wait awhile longer until I weigh more and have reached what I consider to be my natural potential. Just looking for advice and opinions at this point in time.

**Dan111** · 06-28-2010, 10:18 PM

Oh, and also, what about the time frame for starting the PCT? Is what I mentioned in my first post good, or should I be waiting 2 weeks after my last injection?

**G4R** · 06-28-2010, 10:20 PM

2 weeks after last injection for your PCT.

Letro is best used for gyno reversal, after your cycle.

If you are gyno prone, or worried about it, then Adex would be better to run during cycle.

**Big** · 06-28-2010, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by going4ripped

2 weeks after last injection for your PCT.

Letro is best used for gyno reversal, after your cycle.

If you are gyno prone, or worried about it, then Adex would be better to run during cycle.

yep^

**Dan111** · 06-28-2010, 10:26 PM

sounds good, thanks for the input!

**G4R** · 06-28-2010, 10:26 PM

Also want to point out, while for the most part it is ok to run dbol with the test on your first cycle, personally, I would just run the test. At least then, you will have have a control to compare future cycles with. See how you react to the test the first cycle, then, on your next cycle you can run the dbol with it, then you can compare results. Best way to compare what compounds work the best for you when stacked.

**Dan111** · 06-28-2010, 10:31 PM

I was reading about that point as well, but also saw a lot of threads saying dbol is good for a first cycle in the beginning to kickstart it. But it also makes sense to try one thing at a time, so as if something goes good/bad you have a better idea about what caused it, so I will keep that in mind as well, thanks!

**Dan111** · 06-29-2010, 01:38 PM

^bump

(to see if anyone else has suggestions, advice or opinions)

**Pac Man** · 06-29-2010, 01:44 PM

If your a marine Drop the dbol , it'll slow you down.

**Dan111** · 06-29-2010, 01:52 PM

was in the Marines, out now, used to be fast when I was in, trying to get big now

**HawaiianPride.** · 06-29-2010, 01:56 PM

Dbol was good up until the point of excessive acne and the feeling of being sluggish. Is it a necessity? Absolutely not. Would it compliment your cycle? Yes. But the Test will be just fine on it's own.

**Pac Man** · 06-29-2010, 02:13 PM

Btw your pct needs work as well. I wouldn't
run the nolva less than 20/20/20/20.
Letro is emergency reserve if you experience estrogen related sides like gyno. Running .25 Ed will kill your estrogen levels.
Good luck

**Dan111** · 06-29-2010, 02:21 PM

ok, so I'll keep some Letro on the side just in case then, I won't use it unless I need to

I'll also up the Nolva dosage to 20/20/20/20

For Clomid, should I be following Pheedno's PCT plan and use it 100mg ED along with the Nolva for the 4 weeks PCT?

Edited to add: Or would 50mg ED for Clomid be good enough?