A Buddy of mine is planning a heavy cycle..need help

**Wayacrucis** · 07-08-2010, 01:24 AM

So I've known this guy from the gym for about 3 years hes 29 and hes gone through 6-7 cycles. He has SOME knowledge, but hes one of the guys that never uses any sort of AI, I convinced him to run a PCT about 7 months ago..so he runs the typical Nolvadex only cycle after each cycle. ALL his cycles are 4 months, he cycles for 18 weeks, PCT for 4 weeks, nothing for 4 weeks and hes back on. THIS I CANNOT CHANGE, he simply will not listen hes been doing this for 5-6 years..nothing I can do but I wanna help him put his cycle together as best as I can. Hes used: Dbol /Drol/Winny/Anavar /Test/Deca /Tren /Clen /Mast/Oral tren

Hes about 5'9 around 225lbs, about 14-15% BF. Hes trying to bulk up to 250lbs within the first 12-14 weeks, and go through a mini cut on the last 4-6 weeks. This is what it looks like so far....

Week 1-18 - 200mg Test Prop EOD
Week 1-18 - 150mg Tren Ace EOD
Week 1-18 - 500mg Deca EW
Week 1-18 - 700mg EQ EW
Week 1-6 - 70mg D-bol ED
Week 12-18 - 50mg Oral Winstrol ED
Week 12-18 - (x)mg anavar (Havn't figured this out yet) anavar ED
Week 1-18 - Arimidex 0.5 E3D (Convinced him 2 use this)
Week 1-18 - 500mg Milkthistle ED

**G4R** · 07-08-2010, 01:28 AM

And all he is going to take for PCT is Nolva, regardless of what cycle he does?

**Wayacrucis** · 07-08-2010, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by G4R

And all he is going to take for PCT is Nolva, regardless of what cycle he does?

He didn't even run a PCT..before he would just go off for about 2 months. He only ran a nolva PCT from his previous cycle. I don't think hes done anything this heavy.. he would always say 750mg Test E EW, 500mg Deca , 50-70mg Dbol ED was what he likes the most, so I'm assuming most of his cycles revolve around the 3..

**G4R** · 07-08-2010, 01:37 AM

Are you saying you want to set him up on a safe way to run the cycle?

**Noles12** · 07-08-2010, 01:40 AM

Tell him that is a horrible cycle. Test prop and tren ace for 18 weeks?

Does he not realize that the gains from those two will start diminishing in less than half that time

**Wayacrucis** · 07-08-2010, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by G4R

Are you saying you want to set him up on a safe way to run the cycle?

Honestly..I've known the guy for about 3 years but just the past couple of monthswe've kinda become buddies kinda chill outside the gym a couple times a week. so I thought I'd do whatever I can for him, I really don't even know why I posted the thread...but thats the cycle he plans to run..

**G4R** · 07-08-2010, 01:46 AM

If he is not planning on running any PCT, and he is set on using the compounds he has, then there really is no safe or best way to set it up.

I dont know the guy, I dont know his diet set up, I dont know his training, but I do know if he is that careless with what he uses, he is setting himself up for some serious bodily damage. If he listens to anything you say, tell him to chill out on the gear for a while.

**Wayacrucis** · 07-08-2010, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by G4R

If he is not planning on running any PCT, and he is set on using the compounds he has, then there really is no safe or best way to set it up.

I dont know the guy, I dont know his diet set up, I dont know his training, but I do know if he is that careless with what he uses, he is setting himself up for some serious bodily damage. If he listens to anything you say, tell him to chill out on the gear for a while.

Cant really tell him that, but I'm gonna try my best to kinda fix things up for him. Try to get him to use HCG .. proper Clomid/Nolva PCT + time on gear = time off gear. Anyways...thanks for the help so far, I'll see what I can do.. I also have no clue why hes runnin tren and test prop over the enanthate esters.. I think that should be changed in his cycle no?

**G4R** · 07-08-2010, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Wayacrucis

Cant really tell him that, but I'm gonna try my best to kinda fix things up for him. Try to get him to use HCG.. proper Clomid/Nolva PCT + time on gear = time off gear. Anyways...thanks for the help so far, I'll see what I can do.. I also have no clue why hes runnin tren and test prop over the enanthate esters.. I think that should be changed in his cycle no?

At least tell him to get his blood work checked.

**rbg** · 07-10-2010, 03:03 AM

x2 blood work.......no pct, and many cycles, his natural test production must be shot. 2 months off cycle with low T level is like living hell....no wonder he cycles so frequently.