Prami or NOT, Adex or NOT? HCG during or after?

**richtries** · 07-14-2010, 04:02 PM

Just wanted some opinions on my cycle . . .

Test e 125mg/wk for 7 weeks
NPP 350/wk for 6 weeks

I have 5000iu of HCG I was going to use this at 250iu x 2 per week?? Some people use it at the end, does this method suit certain cycles better?

I have Prami but do I need to start it straight away or shall I wait for symptoms?

Will I need an anti-e with such a low test dose?

I would rather limit the amount of drugs I put in my body but if I don't i'll probably be constantly paranoid, just weighing things up thanks for any input.

***D7M*** · 07-14-2010, 04:49 PM

I don't really care for the cycle.

You're basically running a TRT dose of test, and I'd run a long ester longer than 7 weeks.

I really doubt you'll have any ERSE from 125mg/wk of test.

Your HCG protocol is fine.

Have you ran 19nors before? Any issues?

**richtries** · 07-14-2010, 05:04 PM

Keeping the test low/short due to hairloss from previous cycles. This is my first time with 19-nors . . .

**Grid_King1** · 07-14-2010, 06:25 PM

I have to agree with D7M about the test dose but if it prevents the hair loss then that s good for you. I would recommend you start the Prami asap on this cycle. I have used these compounds together and i was at 350/350 test p/NPP and the prolactin build up will cause you issues. At least it did for me. I ended up taking the prami .125mg twice a day.

**Angel of death** · 07-14-2010, 06:30 PM

i like the cycle and it makes perfect sense to me. the test to keep your sex drive going...running it short because youre not relying on it for your gains anyway. good cycle

**Angel of death** · 07-14-2010, 06:30 PM

i also dont think thats long enough of a cycle to require HCG im currently im week 6 of a similar cycle and my sex drive is fine

**richtries** · 07-15-2010, 03:31 AM

Thanks guys. Ok so my conclusions so far . . .

I shouldn't need an anti-e as my test dose is low, although I should run the prami from the beginning at 0.25 ed, and perhaps I shouls save the hcg till the end. I may have to do that anyway as my needle exchange or any of the local pharmacies seem to have bac water, or even know what I am talking about!?

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:36 AM

Your test dose, when taking into account ester weight, is almost more detrimental than helpful. The dose is barely over the natural production of testosterone by the body. I dont like it at all. Not to mention your cycle is way to short.

IMO that is a horrible cycle

**Grid_King1** · 07-15-2010, 03:50 AM

Is there a reason you are running test e rather than prop with the npp. If you switched to the prop and lengthened them both two eight weeks that alone would be a better looking cycle.

**richtries** · 07-15-2010, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Your test dose, when taking into account ester weight, is almost more detrimental than helpful. The dose is barely over the natural production of testosterone by the body. I dont like it at all. Not to mention your cycle is way to short.

IMO that is a horrible cycle

its all I am trying to do really noles, replicate a little above my normal levels just to keep sex drive going. may bump it to 150 and the npp to 300. Also I have had several vets tell me that gains slow/diminish after 8 weeks, even on long esters, and you have to increase your dose to continue gaining, soo many differeing opinions though. This is my conclusion based on views of those more experienced plus my own experiences.

Originally Posted by Grid_King1

Is there a reason you are running test e rather than prop with the npp. If you switched to the prop and lengthened them both two eight weeks that alone would be a better looking cycle.

prop not available, plus i feel the enanthate in the first two weeks anyway.

thanks for your help guys, although my questions were really more to do with the ancillaries, am trying to do an order today.

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by richtries

its all I am trying to do really noles, replicate a little above my normal levels just to keep sex drive going. may bump it to 150 and the npp to 300. Also I have had several vets tell me that gains slow/diminish after 8 weeks, even on long esters, and you have to increase your dose to continue gaining, soo many differeing opinions though. This is my conclusion based on views of those more experienced plus my own experiences.

prop not available, plus i feel the enanthate in the first two weeks anyway.

thanks for your help guys, although my questions were really more to do with the ancillaries, am trying to do an order today.

I disagree with the bold and think most will too. Longer esters are in their prime around the time you will be stopping it. You will not be getting all you could out of it and doses would not need to be increased. I never increase my doses and run test e for at least 12 weeks. I have experienced great gains all the way up to 16 weeks.

Also i wouldnt be surprised if you notice almost no sex drive at that dose of test while running NPP.

**richtries** · 07-15-2010, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Noles12

I disagree with the bold and think most will too. Longer esters are in their prime around the time you will be stopping it. You will not be getting all you could out of it and doses would not need to be increased. I never increase my doses and run test e for at least 12 weeks. I have experienced great gains all the way up to 16 weeks.

Thats your opinion and your experiences and I take it on board. Though my experiences are have been different plus I have spoke to quite a few people who have had great gains/easy recovery with shorter 6 week cycles.

Originally Posted by Noles12

Also i wouldnt be surprised if you notice almost no sex drive at that dose of test while running NPP.

Obviously I am trying to avoid this with the ancillaries I have on hand, hence my questions. But ramping up the dose and running it for longer is not an option for me as I value my barnet, plus I have a huge forehead!

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 04:50 AM

Can you show me where guys have made good gains off of 6 weeks on a long estered test?

Also i would probably get some cialis or something along those lines

**richtries** · 07-15-2010, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Noles12

Can you show me where guys have made good gains off of 6 weeks on a long estered test?

Also i would probably get some cialis or something along those lines

I already stated I wasn't using the test to gain, I'm using the NPP which is short estered. I'm sure I could find something either way, but to be honest I really want to get my ancillaries on cycle sorted becasue i've started already and beginning to get paranoid about it.

Got some viagra although I don't anticipate getting laid for a while, will be too busy eating/training, and likely to be suffering from no sex drive as you stated.

**Angel of death** · 07-15-2010, 03:02 PM

How do you guys not understand that hes only using the test to maintain somewhat of a libido and relying on the NPP for gains? How is that a hard concept to understand?

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Angel of death

How do you guys not understand that hes only using the test to maintain somewhat of a libido and relying on the NPP for gains? How is that a hard concept to understand?

Its not hard but do you think that low of a dose of test will really be beneficial to maintain sex drive when running a compound such as NPP?

**Angel of death** · 07-15-2010, 03:48 PM

yeah most vets here willl agree when I say its a myth that the test needs to be run as high as the deca . as long as you replace your natty test (which he would be doing) its completely reasonable

**Noles12** · 07-15-2010, 04:40 PM

I didnt say it had to be run as high but i have never seen anyone run a dose under what a TRT patient would get while they are running nandrolone . I really dont see him having any sex drive at that dose while running his other compound

**Angel of death** · 07-15-2010, 06:42 PM

the reason im agreeing so strongly is becuase im currently in week 7 of this cycle
test 125mgs/wk 1-10
deca 300mgs/wk 1-10
so far no side effects, sex drive as good as ever, and im making really good gains.
so to each his own i guess