3RD Cycle Set up, Suggestions?

[BJJ]

BULKING 1
Week 1 Testosterone Suspension 70 mg ed
Week 1-2 Testosterone Propionate 70 mg ed
Week 1-2 Erythropoietin 4000 iu ed
Week 1-5 Methandrostenolone 30 mg ed
Week 1-8 Testosterone Enanthate 750 mg ew
Week 1-8 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Boldenone Undecylenate 600 mg ew
Week 1-8 Mesterolone 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d
Week 1-8 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 300 iu e3.5d

BRIDGE
Week 9-12 Testosterone Cypionate 350 mg ew
Week 9-12 Boldenone Undecylenate 200 mg ew
Week 9-12 Mesterolone 100 mg ed
Week 9-12 Somatropin 5 iu ed
Week 9-12 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed

BULKING 2
Week 13-16 Boldenone Undecylenate 1 g ew
Week 13-18 Testosterone Propionate 200 mg ed
Week 13-18 Trenbolone Acetate 80 mg ed
Week 13-18 Mesterolone 125 mg ed
Week 13-18 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3.5d
Week 13-18 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 300 iu e3.5d

PCT
Week 19-22 Clomiphene Citrate 150/150/100/100/50 mg ed
Week 19-24 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/40/30/30/20/20 mg ed
Week 19-47 Somatropin 5 iu ed
Week 19-47 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed
Week 25-26 Glutathione 1200/600 mg ed

TOTALS:
Somatropin: 140+945 (1085 iu)
Erythropoietin: 56000 (56000 iu)
Testosterone Suspension: 490 (490 mg) (1000 mg)
Testosterone Propionate: 980+8400 (9380 mg)
Testosterone Enanthate: 6000 (6000 mg)
Testosterone Cypionate: 1200 (1400 mg) (4000 mg)
Methandrostenolone: 1050 (1050 mg)
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate: 5600 (5600 mg)
Trenbolone Acetate: 3360 (3360 mg) (3600 mg)
Boldenone Undecylenate: 4800+800+4000 (9600 mg) (4000 mg)
Mesterolone: 5600+2800+5250 (13650 mg) (4750 mg)
L-Thyroxine: 2800+19600 (22400 mcg) (18500 mg)
Exemestane: 200+150 (350 mg)
Toremifene Citrate: (? mg) (1800 mg)
Clomiphene Citrate: 1050+1050+700+700+350 (3850 mg) (4500 mg)
Tamoxifen Citrate: 280+280+210+210+140+140 (1260 mg) (1400 mg)
Chorionic Gonadotrophin: 5600+4200 (9800 iu) (13000 mg)
Glutathione: 8400+4200 (12600 mg) (5400 mg)

[428scj]

You are the man, BJJ. I look forward to following whatever route you choose to go.

I am curious as to if you feel the HCG over that long period of time will remain effective at that dosage? I was reading up on it after reading your last cycle thread and read that it can have negative effects with long usage and higher dosages. Any thoughts?

At any rate, best of luck to you in this upcoming cycle.

[BJJ]

You are the man, BJJ. I look forward to following whatever route you choose to go.

I am curious as to if you feel the HCG over that long period of time will remain effective at that dosage? I was reading up on it after reading your last cycle thread and read that it can have negative effects with long usage and higher dosages. Any thoughts?

At any rate, best of luck to you in this upcoming cycle.

Thanks for your nice words.

Regarding HCG, I do not think it will be a problem since in the entire cycle I will be using around 9000 iu and that does not seem to be so much.

About the length, I do not know exactly but I may get rid of it during the bridge or finishing it before the end of bulking 2.

[Vitruvian-Man]

The bridge seems absolutely pointless to me.

I wouldn't use tamox during the cycle at all (so yah, I would eliminate entire bridge.)

Just run the cycle for 18 weeks... It's just prop/proviron /T4... Not a huge deal.

However, that said, recovery will take quite a while.

It's a lot of pinning, most would opt for a longer ester for this length of a cycle. But I seem to recall you being pretty indiscriminate in where you spot inject, so that'll be useful for this type of cycle.

The PCT is going to suck I did 1 1/2 - 2 month long PCT a while ago, and stayed on clomid @ 150 - 100mg/ed for a month... Woww... Awful times man. lol.

... One question... what's going on with the HGH @ 30iu/ed for the first week ...

Best of luck..

-VM

[HawaiianPride.]

Not a fan of bridging. Simply because it can interfere with hormonal recovery, and prevent a return to metabolic homeostasis.

As V said, I'd cut out the 2 bridges and merge weeks. I like the choice of Ancillaries.

[BJJ]

The bridge seems absolutely pointless to me. I will reduce the protein intake to 1 g per pound and lower the amount of aas as well to have further gains on my second bulking period. Also the training will be different, less volume but more reps (12).

I wouldn't use tamox during the cycle at all (so yah, I would eliminate entire bridge.) I use it only during the bridge to control the estrogens increased by the HCG.

Just run the cycle for 18 weeks... It's just prop/proviron /T4... Not a huge deal. After 9 weeks on susp I did not improve anymore so I presume 18 weeks on prop continuously would be a waste of time.

However, that said, recovery will take quite a while. For sure

It's a lot of pinning, most would opt for a longer ester for this length of a cycle. But I seem to recall you being pretty indiscriminate in where you spot inject, so that'll be useful for this type of cycle. I guess so but no more calfs!

The PCT is going to suck I did 1 1/2 - 2 month long PCT a while ago, and stayed on clomid @ 150 - 100mg/ed for a month... Woww... Awful times man. lol. Fortunately, clomiphene seems not to bother me at all.

... One question... what's going on with the HGH @ 30iu/ed for the first week ... Well I want to create hyperplasia and mature the new protein cells helped also by tests susp. Actually, I was thinking about 2 weeks on 30 iu...

Best of luck.. Thank you

-VM

Bold

[BJJ]

Not a fan of bridging. Simply because it can interfere with hormonal recovery, and prevent a return to metabolic homeostasis.

As V said, I'd cut out the 2 bridges and merge weeks. I like the choice of Ancillaries.

Is your organism able to keep growing continuously for 18 weeks on a short ester?

[HawaiianPride.]

At a stable dosage, not a chance! You've brought up a valid point although I'd still reconsider my options and opt for a shorter duration or find a way to avoid the bridges. Either way, the dosages along with the rest of the lineup looks good. The cycle won't disappoint. Best of luck.

[BJJ]

At a stable dosage, not a chance! You've brought up a valid point although I'd still reconsider my options and opt for a shorter duration or find a way to avoid the bridges. Either way, the dosages along with the rest of the lineup looks good. The cycle won't disappoint. Best of luck.

How do you think you may do that?

[Vitruvian-Man]

Is your organism able to keep growing continuously for 18 weeks on a short ester?

Ok I understand your thinking now.

Bro, I just want to clarify... dropping your dose down during that two week "bridge" phase wouldn't allow you to get enhanced muscle growth in the weeks proceeding it.

I was assuming you wanted to stay on test for 18 weeks straight because you want to be on for your fights, etc.

No, you will not see gains for the entire cycle. If you're looking for continuous gains then you should backload with an additional compound. (IE) add NPP in for the last 8 weeks. Alternatively, you could also just pulse an oral throughout the cycle.

I like the HGH 'blasts.' You should grow like crazy on this cycle.

-VM

[BJJ]

Ok I understand your thinking now.

Bro, I just want to clarify... dropping your dose down during that two week "bridge" phase wouldn't allow you to get enhanced muscle growth in the weeks proceeding it.

I was assuming you wanted to stay on test for 18 weeks straight because you want to be on for your fights, etc.

No, you will not see gains for the entire cycle. If you're looking for continuous gains then you should backload with an additional compound. (IE) add NPP in for the last 8 weeks. Alternatively, you could also just pulse an oral throughout the cycle.

I like the HGH 'blasts.' You should grow like crazy on this cycle.

-VM

I see your point but I am done with orals.
What do you think about now? ^^^

[BJJ]

bump

[BJJ]

gimba for some MODS and/or VETS

[Vitruvian-Man]

2 weeks of mast-p makes no sense.

I just don't understand where you're going with this cycle man. Why are you trying to add these random compounds in for 2 weeks at a time???

It just seems illogical. (although very logically/nicely presented )

Keep it simple IMO:

Test-S (week #1) @ 30 mg/ed
Test-P (weeks 1 - 10) @ 100mg/ed
Test-P (weeks 11 - 18) @ 150mg/ed
NPP (weeks 11 - 18) @ 75mg/ed

If you want to add in the mast, then I would stack it with the backload of NPP. (IE)

Test-P (weeks 11 - 18) @ 150mg/ed
NPP (weeks 11 - 18) @ 75mg/ed
Mast (weeks 12 - 18) @ 70mg/ed

.... That's what I would do.

-VM

[Big]

I'm personally not a fan of using so many compounds, I find that short ester test/tren /mast will do everything I want to do if diet and training are on point. That being said, you've made great progress and I'll be following your results regardless of what you choose.
best of luck.

[stevey_6t9]

fix your diet.

[BJJ]

BULKING 1
Week 1 Somatropin 30 iu ed
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 200 mcg ed
Week 1 Testosterone Suspension 30 mg ed
Week 1-2 Erythropoietin 1000 iu ed
Week 1-8 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Mesterolone 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 1-8 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d
Week 2-8 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 2-8 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed

BRIDGE
Week 9-10 Testosterone Propionate 50 mg ed
Week 9-10 Drostanolone Propionate 70 mg ed
Week 9-10 Somatropin 15 iu ed
Week 9-10 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed

BULKING 2
Week 11 Somatropin 30 iu ed
Week 11 L-Thyroxine 200 mcg ed
Week 11-18 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed
Week 11-18 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 75 mg ed
Week 11-18 Mesterolone 125 mg ed
Week 11-18 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 11-18 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d
Week 12-18 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 12-18 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed

PCT
Week 19-22 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/100/100 mg ed
Week 19-24 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/40/30/30/20/20 mg ed
Week 19-38 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 19-38 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed
Week 25-26 Glutathione 1200/600 mg ed

2 weeks of mast-p makes no sense. 1***

I just don't understand where you're going with this cycle man. Why are you trying to add these random compounds in for 2 weeks at a time??? 2****

It just seems illogical. (although very logically/nicely presented )

Keep it simple IMO:

Test-S (week #1) @ 30 mg/ed
Test-P (weeks 1 - 10) @ 100mg/ed
Test-P (weeks 11 - 18) @ 150mg/ed
NPP (weeks 11 - 18) @ 75mg/ed

If you want to add in the mast, then I would stack it with the backload of NPP. (IE)

Test-P (weeks 11 - 18) @ 150mg/ed
NPP (weeks 11 - 18) @ 75mg/ed
Mast (weeks 12 - 18) @ 70mg/ed

.... That's what I would do. 3***

-VM

1 Drostanolone propionate is the injectable version of Mesterolone (correct me if wrong), so I thought about giving a 2 weeks break from proviron adding another similar compound, just to try it and notice any eventual difference. This is the reason why I thought about that and I cannot see why it makes no sense.
So, why under your experience, it is not advisable doing so.

2 Another compound that I use in this cycle only for 2 weeks long, it is Erythropoietin. That is the way that drug is used, first 2/3 weeks injections and then wait for results to come from the following week up to 6 weeks later on.
What is wrong with that? Are you aware of a better way to use rEPO?

3 In all honesty lol, do you really think one will keep growing after week 8/9 with that cycle lenght?
In my little experience, and from what I have studied, I do believe I could only waste my time and money running a short ester for 18 weeks straight.
Again, please make me understand how this point of view is wrong.

Thanks, in any case, for coming back here to help me out.
Much appreciate it.

[BJJ]

I'm personally not a fan of using so many compounds, I find that short ester test/tren /mast will do everything I want to do if diet and training are on point. That being said, you've made great progress and I'll be following your results regardless of what you choose.
best of luck.

Thanks for your kind words and I do agree that diet and training must be on point.

The reason for rHGH and rEPO is that only the first creates hyperplasia and only the second can make me rolling fast when I will be over 100 kg.

[BJJ]

fix your diet.

I am always glad when experienced members over 30 years old with many years of aas training on their shoulders, give me such a solid advice.
Now, I finally know where I have to head for.

[terraj]

Ciao BBJ,

Sorry bro, but that is to advanced for me to have much input...I know nothing about half of the compounds you are planning.

I keep it real simple myself, one or two compounds at a time.

But I am sure you will work out the best path for yourself and I look forward to watching your progress.

BTW, your looking outstanding !!

[BJJ]

Ciao BBJ,

Sorry bro, but that is to advanced for me to have much input...I know nothing about half of the compounds you are planning.

I keep it real simple myself, one or two compounds at a time.

But I am sure you will work out the best path for yourself and I look forward to watching your progress.

BTW, your looking outstanding !!

Thanks you for your humbleness and compliments.

[Mr.Rose]

You always seem to outdo yourself my fellow scholar. I would like to applaud this cycle at hand and give you my full approval.

First off, you are correct in stating that you will not continue to obtain gains from following the same mundane dosage regimen for 18 weeks. Your load-deload-reload will allow your saturated androgen/anabolic receptors from the initial load to 'clear' themselves during the deload. This will help resensitize those receptors to your reload phase, not to mention the new receptors that will emerge from the initial load. The length of the delaod has always been debatable, and there, obviously, has never been any studies into the matter. I have personally, recently, run a 2 week deload, and now am into the reload phase, and found a sudden reemergence of gains. As you have, i too have experienced little to no gains beyond the 8 week mark, and i only run short esters such as propionate .

I have no experience in hGH, so i cannot comment on that.

With your initial load, i feel that your test suspension dosage may be a little low, have you considered 50mg/day? On another note, i really love this idea, i have played with it in my head once or twice, but have never seen anyone preload with suspension before. Please let me know how it works and feels, because it will become effective immediately, while the prop takes days to become effective.

I can't see the reasoning for adding masteron for only two weeks? I know your replacing one DHT for another, but i would recommend you keep running the mesterolone during the deload phase. My main reason for this is i don't think the Masteron will be active long enough to do much good only for 2 weeks, unless you run it into your reload phase.

Just brainstorming, but i think you could up your l-thyroxine dosage to 200mcg/day for the whole cycle as the dose seems rather low for me. Like i said i have no experience with hGH, nor the doses of T4 recommended with its usage. I usually run triiodothyronine, so not much experience with T4.

I have never had success controlling sides with exemestane at 12.5mg/e3d, i run it at 25mg/EOD and still get a fair bit of bloat, but no where near as much on 12.5mg.

Apart from that everything is really good, the hCG will help you recover and keep your testes active and i see what not many people do when they reload, and that is up their AAS dosages, so i commend you on that.

Let me know what you think.

[BJJ]

You always seem to outdo yourself my fellow scholar. I would like to applaud this cycle at hand and give you my full approval. thank you

First off, you are correct in stating that you will not continue to obtain gains from following the same mundane dosage regimen for 18 weeks. Your load-deload-reload will allow your saturated androgen/anabolic receptors from the initial load to 'clear' themselves during the deload. This will help resensitize those receptors to your reload phase, not to mention the new receptors that will emerge from the initial load. The length of the delaod has always been debatable, and there, obviously, has never been any studies into the matter. I have personally, recently, run a 2 week deload, and now am into the reload phase, and found a sudden reemergence of gains. As you have, i too have experienced little to no gains beyond the 8 week mark, and i only run short esters such as propionate . those are, in fact, the reasons why I decided to run this type of cycle

I have no experience in hGH, so i cannot comment on that.

With your initial load, i feel that your test suspension dosage may be a little low, have you considered 50mg/day? probably you are correct, I already run I cycle and went up to 90 mg ed, so I feel for the first week a 50 mg would be a better choice. On another note, i really love this idea, i have played with it in my head once or twice, but have never seen anyone preload with suspension before. Please let me know how it works and feels, because it will become effective immediately, while the prop takes days to become effective. well, i ran an entire cycle with suspension so i can already answer to that question. it is immediate, like 3 days after starting you feel the strength increasing progressively and just after 1 week you are more vascularized. i read much about the water retention on susp but with a low sodium diet, the right macros and let's say 5/6 liters daily of natural water, i never had such a problem.

I can't see the reasoning for adding masteron for only two weeks? I know your replacing one DHT for another, but i would recommend you keep running the mesterolone during the deload phase. My main reason for this is i don't think the Masteron will be active long enough to do much good only for 2 weeks, unless you run it into your reload phase. it makes sense.

Just brainstorming, but i think you could up your l-thyroxine dosage to 200mcg/day for the whole cycle as the dose seems rather low for me. Like i said i have no experience with hGH, nor the doses of T4 recommended with its usage. I usually run triiodothyronine, so not much experience with T4. well, from my several blood works it came that up to 10 iu of rhgh i am fine with 100 mcg, instead around 20/24 iu (no pharma grade though) i need to reach 200 mcg. in any case, i will see during the cycle by taking often blood works.

I have never had success controlling sides with exemestane at 12.5mg/e3d, i run it at 25mg/EOD and still get a fair bit of bloat, but no where near as much on 12.5mg. actually, i never experienced any sides on test susp so i am not planning to use exemestane for the sides but just to keep lower the estrogens since in my previous cycle i did not take any ai and before the end of the buling period, by taking a bw, i noticed my estradiol was on the moon. so, ok to have enough estrogens to grow but to many i do not feel to be good and considering the half life of aromasin, i think a 12.5 mg e3d protocol is enough, even though i am ready to bump it to 25 mg e3d.

Apart from that everything is really good, the hCG will help you recover and keep your testes active and i see what not many people do when they reload, and that is up their AAS dosages, so i commend you on that. i hope it will really help me to recover sooner after the cycle.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks for your response

[Bertuzzi]

Hello my friend,

This cycle seems a little too advanced for me to offer an opinion. The only thing I can say is, I think it is too many compounds, but knowing how you are and how thorough you will be. I think because of the way you are, you think to much into everything you do... I am not sure if you've heard this expression before but "KISS" Keep It Simple Stupid. So maybe try dumbing it down, just a little bit.

Wish I could offer more advice, but I am not quite in your league.... yet.

Any direction you go, I know you'll make an awesome log and keep us updated. I do enjoy following your posts!

Good Luck

[BJJ]

Hello my friend,

This cycle seems a little too advanced for me to offer an opinion. The only thing I can say is, I think it is too many compounds, but knowing how you are and how thorough you will be. I think because of the way you are, you think to much into everything you do... I am not sure if you've heard this expression before but "KISS" Keep It Simple Stupid. So maybe try dumbing it down, just a little bit.

Wish I could offer more advice, but I am not quite in your league.... yet.

Any direction you go, I know you'll make an awesome log and keep us updated. I do enjoy following your posts!

Good Luck

Well, actually from my point of view I do not see this cycle too advanced but I guess this is the reason for such a different view on this topic.

After all, life itself is a point of view...

Anyway, thank you for your honesty and support.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Drostanolone propionate is the injectable version of Mesterolone (correct me if wrong), so I thought about giving a 2 weeks break from proviron adding another similar compound, just to try it and notice any eventual difference. This is the reason why I thought about that and I cannot see why it makes no sense.
So, why under your experience, it is not advisable doing so.

I wouldn't bother.

Another compound that I use in this cycle only for 2 weeks long, it is Erythropoietin. That is the way that drug is used, first 2/3 weeks injections and then wait for results to come from the following week up to 6 weeks later on.
What is wrong with that? Are you aware of a better way to use rEPO?

I wasn't talking about the Epo.

The HGH/EPO/Slin'/T4/E-stane protocols all look absolutely fine.

In all honesty lol, do you really think one will keep growing after week 8/9 with that cycle lenght?
In my little experience, and from what I have studied, I do believe I could only waste my time and money running a short ester for 18 weeks straight.
Again, please make me understand how this point of view is wrong.

Yeah actually, if you're using only Test-P/Proviron for the first half of the cycle, and then by incorporate additional compounds towards the end, you can continue to grow the whole time.

That said, I would prefer to do shorter 6 - 8 week cycles, and then rinse/repeat... however, I was under the impression that you wanted to stay on for all 18 weeks for your fights, etc..?

Thanks, in any case, for coming back here to help me out.
Much appreciate it.

In bold.

You've got two options IMO.... split it into two cycles. 8 weeks each. or one 18 week cycle. You need to decide what is better for your own goals.

Hope that helps..

-VM

[BJJ]

In bold.

You've got two options IMO.... split it into two cycles. 8 weeks each. or one 18 week cycle. You need to decide what is better for your own goals.

Hope that helps..

-VM

Well, actually I did not want to stay 18 weeks into cycling because of my fights but because I wanted to grow as much as possible and since I also have to fight, I thought about using rEPO.

Anyway, I understand better now your point of view.
Thank you

[G4R]

Looked much more complicated than the actual test/nandro/mast cycle it is. I will have never used HGH until next year, so I will make no comment on it.

I think I have to side with the majority on this one, and favor against the bridge. Just curious too, why all the short esters?

[marcus300]

It looks far more confusing on paper than it is but I dont see you experiencing anymore benefit from how you have layed this cycle out. Your looking to gain 15lbs in lean muscle which is a hard goal to accomplish to be honest with you especially how you have planned the cycle out.

First, the cycle is to long and the 2 wks bridge in between your two cycles isnt going to springboard you into further growth like you think it is, muscle growth occurs when your body is fresh and not saturated with androgens so with this is mind I would attack your goal by changing things around.

I would hit the cycle at full speed with:-
Wk 1-8: Test P 100mgs ED
Wk 1: Test S 50mgs ED (optional)
Wk 1-8: NPP 75mgs ED
Wk 1-8: Mast 75mgs ED
Wk 1-2: EPO 1000ius ED
Wk 1-8: Somatropin 10ius ED
Wk 1-8: T4 100Mcg

If you want to bridge to another cycle I would use a low dose Test around 250mgs per wk for 4 weeks & Somatropin 4ius ED then hit a second cycle hard,probably do 6 wk cycle: increase the test to around 1000mgs per wk coupled with GH 10ius and throw in some Tren A...

I would rather attack your goals with the above than what you have planned BJJ

Best of luck

[G4R]

If you want to bridge to another cycle I would use a low dose Test around 250mgs per wk for 4 weeks & Somatropin 4ius ED then hit a second cycle hard,probably do 6 wk cycle: increase the test to around 1000mgs per wk coupled with GH 10ius and throw in some Tren A...

This is kind of where I was heading.

[BJJ]

Looked much more complicated than the actual test/nandro/mast cycle it is. I will have never used HGH until next year, so I will make no comment on it.

I think I have to side with the majority on this one, and favor against the bridge. Just curious too, why all the short esters?

Well simply because I want to be out of troubles in a few days if something goes wrong.

Though, I will take my risks with rEPO.

Thank you very much for your feedback.

[BJJ]

It looks far more confusing on paper than it is but I dont see you experiencing anymore benefit from how you have layed this cycle out. Your looking to gain 15lbs in lean muscle which is a hard goal to accomplish to be honest with you especially how you have planned the cycle out.

First, the cycle is to long and the 2 wks bridge in between your two cycles isnt going to springboard you into further growth like you think it is, muscle growth occurs when your body is fresh and not saturated with androgens so with this is mind I would attack your goal by changing things around.

I would hit the cycle at full speed with:-
Wk 1-8: Test P 100mgs ED
Wk 1: Test S 50mgs ED (optional)
Wk 1-8: NPP 75mgs ED
Wk 1-8: Mast 75mgs ED
Wk 1-2: EPO 1000ius ED
Wk 1-8: Somatropin 10ius ED
Wk 1-8: T4 100Mcg

If you want to bridge to another cycle I would use a low dose Test around 250mgs per wk for 4 weeks & Somatropin 4ius ED then hit a second cycle hard,probably do 6 wk cycle: increase the test to around 1000mgs per wk coupled with GH 10ius and throw in some Tren A...

I would rather attack your goals with the above than what you have planned BJJ

Best of luck

I perfectly understand what you are saying here.
A longer bridge and a shorter but heavier 6 weeks cycle to bulk the second time. I like it.

What about the two rHGH blasts. Do not you think to be productive?

[Dukkit]

I like it.
Im really not going to add anything new though.

But I am going to agree with Big, Vitruvian and Marcus on most points
Bridge is pointless. Either get rid of it, or Cruise on test long enough to get levels back to normal then hit another hard cycle blast.

I do like your HGH blast idea.

[marcus300]

I perfectly understand what you are saying here.
A longer bridge and a shorter but heavier 6 weeks cycle to bulk the second time. I like it.

What about the two rHGH blasts. Do not you think to be productive?

Ive ran a few gh blast's but not in that fashion so i cant really comment, I think 10ius will be more than enough coupled with both stacks to be honest

[BJJ]

I like it.
Im really not going to add anything new though.

But I am going to agree with Big, Vitruvian and Marcus on most points
Bridge is pointless. Either get rid of it, or Cruise on test long enough to get levels back to normal then hit another hard cycle blast.

I do like your HGH blast idea.

Thanks for your feedback man, much appreciate it.

Ive ran a few gh blast's but not in that fashion so i cant really comment, I think 10ius will be more than enough coupled with both stacks to be honest

Thank you very much for your feedback marcus.
I shall take into account every thing you suggested.

[D7M]

I just read through the thread in its entirety, and I completely agree with Marcus.

I've never ran HGH over 10ius/ED (mostly financial reasons--I'm still only a professor after all!). So I can't really comment on the HGH blast from experience. But if you have the funds, I say go for it. Try it and see how it works. I really enjoy your logs, and would love to see how it works for you.

In general, I think you'd do better to do as Marcus suggested and break the cycle into two 6-8 week blasts with a longer "cruise" (at least 6 weeks) in between, utilizing a longer estered test, then blast again.

I'd also lower the intensity of your training during your cruise time.

Looking forward to your log, best of luck, BJJ.

[BJJ]

I just read through the thread in its entirety, and I completely agree with Marcus.

I've never ran HGH over 10ius/ED (mostly financial reasons--I'm still only a professor after all!). So I can't really comment on the HGH blast from experience. But if you have the funds, I say go for it. Try it and see how it works. I really enjoy your logs, and would love to see how it works for you.

In general, I think you'd do better to do as Marcus suggested and break the cycle into two 6-8 week blasts with a longer "cruise" (at least 6 weeks) in between, utilizing a longer estered test, then blast again.

I'd also lower the intensity of your training during your cruise time.

Looking forward to your log, best of luck, BJJ.

Thank you very much for your suggestions, I will take them into account.

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updated^^^

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Ciao Ronnie, I am preparing my 3rd cycle and decided to run it using your reload/deload sample.
I have direct experience on all the drugs reported, except Masteron , NPP and rEPO.

Thank you very much for your expertise.

Current Stats: 187 cm (6'2 feet), 95.5 kg (210 lbs), 10% bf

Target: To reach 102 Kg (225 lbs) keeping the same fat percentage and hold that weight after the PCT.

Note: I will have several garage fights during those months, this is the reason for rEPO.

BULKING 1
Week 1 Somatropin 30 iu ed
Week 1 L-Thyroxine 200 mcg ed
Week 1 Testosterone Suspension 50 mg ed
Week 1-2 Erythropoietin 1000 iu ed
Week 1-8 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Mesterolone 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 1-8 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d
Week 2-8 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 2-8 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed

BRIDGE
Week 9-10 Testosterone Propionate 50 mg ed
Week 9-10 Drostanolone Propionate 70 mg ed
Week 9-10 Somatropin 15 iu ed
Week 9-10 L-Thyroxine 150 mcg ed

BULKING 2
Week 11 Somatropin 30 iu ed
Week 11 L-Thyroxine 200 mcg ed
Week 11-18 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed
Week 11-18 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 75 mg ed
Week 11-18 Mesterolone 125 mg ed
Week 11-18 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 11-18 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d
Week 12-18 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 12-18 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed

PCT
Week 19-22 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/100/100 mg ed
Week 19-24 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/40/30/30/20/20 mg ed
Week 19-38 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 19-38 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed
Week 25-26 Glutathione 1200/600 mg ed

Let me start by asking you "why are you wanting to run 30 ius of GH each day during the reload?" each day of the first weeks actually. i want to create hyperplasia with those blasts and mature it with test. Also, i would suggest winstrol along with the deca for improved performance. you mean in my second reload right? Test e or test c would be much better than 150 mgs of prop ed. why? You will feel like a pin cushion doing all those shots of prop! i just finished a test susp cycle with 2 up to 3 injections daily for 80 days. pinning is no problem really. Remember, test is test so using the prop has no advantage for you. prop is a short ester, comparing different tests on a same diet base, one should has less water retention and that for me is an issue since i am a martial artist. also if something goes wrong, by using only short esters except for rEPO, i can get my system clean in no more than 3 days.

thank you for you time, bold^


Let me start by asking you "why are you wanting to run 30 ius of GH each day during the reload?" each day of the first weeks actually. i want to create hyperplasia with those blasts and mature it with test. YOU CAN DO THAT BUT IF YOU GO THAT ROUTE YOU'LL NEED TO TAKE GH FOR A LONGER DURATION. MY SUGGESTION IS TO RUN HIGH DOSAGES EVERY DAY THROUGHOUT ENTIRE 20 WEEK SLINGSHOT CYCLE (INCLUDING DELOADS). Also, i would suggest winstrol along with the deca for improved performance. you mean in my second reload right? Test e or test c would be much better than 150 mgs of prop ed. why? You will feel like a pin cushion doing all those shots of prop! i just finished a test susp cycle with 2 up to 3 injections daily for 80 days. OUCH! WHY NOT JUST USE TEST E AND DO LESS INJECTIONS. THIS WILL DECREASE YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING AN ABCCESS AND SAVE YOU TIME AND MONEY! pinning is no problem really. Remember, test is test so using the prop has no advantage for you. prop is a short ester, comparing different tests on a same diet base, one should has less water retention and that for me is an issue since i am a martial artist. also if something goes wrong, by using only short esters except for rEPO, i can get my system clean in no more than 3 days. TEST E CLEARS OUT IN 7-8 DAYS AND PROP CAUSES JUST AS MUCH WATER RETENTION AS TEST-E IF YOU ARE SHOOTING THE PROP EVERY DAY! BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE rEPO.

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I took some of your considerations into account and got rid of the hgh blasts.
What do you think?
Also, what should be taken into account when speaking about rEPO, that brought you to warn me about that compound?

BULKING 1
Week 1 Testosterone Suspension 50 mg ed
Week 1-2 Erythropoietin 1000 iu ed
Week 1-8 Testosterone Propionate 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 75 mg ed
Week 1-8 Mesterolone 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 1-8 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed
Week 1-8 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 1-8 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d

BRIDGE
Week 9-12 Testosterone Enanthate 250 mg ew
Week 9-12 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg ed
Week 9-12 Somatropin 5 iu ed
Week 9-12 L-Thyroxine 50 mcg ed

BULKING 2
Week 13-18 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed
Week 13-18 Trenbolone Acetate 75 mg ed
Week 13-18 Mesterolone 125 mg ed
Week 13-18 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 13-18 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed
Week 13-18 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 13-18 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d

PCT
Week 19-22 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/100/100 mg ed
Week 19-24 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/40/30/30/20/20 mg ed
Week 19-47 Somatropin 10 iu ed
Week 19-47 L-Thyroxine 100 mcg ed
Week 25-26 Glutathione 1200/600 mg ed

epo is like dnp (can be very dangerous). Here's a good article highlighted in red for you to read which backs up why i worry about this drug. Imo eq would be much safer!

"why is epo dangerous?
The reason that epo, and transfusion blood doping, is dangerous is because of increased blood viscosity. Basically, whole blood consists of red blood cells and plasma (water, proteins, etc.). The percentage of whole blood that is occupied by the red blood cells is referred to as, the hematocrit. A low hematocrit means dilute (thin) blood, and a high hematocrit mean concentrated (thick) blood. Above a certain hematocrit level whole blood can sludge and clog capillaries. If this happens in the brain it results in a stroke. In the heart, a heart attack. Unfortunately, this has happened to several elite athletes who have used epo.

Epo use is especially dangerous to athletes who exercise over prolonged periods. A well-conditioned endurance athlete is more dehydration resistant than a sedentary individual. The body accomplishes this by several methods, but one key component is to “hold on” to more water at rest. Circulating whole blood is one location in which this occurs and, thus, can function as a water reservoir. During demanding exercise, as fluid losses mount, water is shifted out of the blood stream (hematocrit rises). If one is already starting with an artificially elevated hematocrit then you can begin to see the problem -- it is a short trip to the critical “sludge zone”.

Additional dangers of epo include sudden death during sleep, which has killed approximately 18 pro cyclists in the past fifteen years, and the development of antibodies directed against epo. In this later circumstance the individual develops anemia as a result of the body’s reaction against repeated epo injections."

copyright©2005 mark jenkins

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Cycle updated.

Decided to run test en the first 8 weeks to bridge with the same test ester before the second bulking period.