need advice

[gretna]

hey guys. im 36yrs old. im about to do my first cycle. im going to do 40mg a day of dbol for 6wks, and 500mg of sus 250 a wk, 250 mon and 250 thur for 12 wks. my question of course is pct. can someone please tell me the proper pct, doeses, and how long and when to start it. also what would be my expected gains for this cycle giving i consume 4000 cal a day and heavy workout 5 days a wk. thanks guys

[Vullfromsc]

2 weeks after your last sust shot (18 days if the sust has testosterone c in it)

week 1: Nolvadex 40mg / day Clomid 100mg / day
week 2: Nolvadex 20mg / day Clomid 50mg / day
week 3: Nolvadex 20mg / day Clomid 50mg / day
week 4: Nolvadex 20mg / day Clomid 50mg / day

not sure about gains, it depends on the person (starting weight, height, body fat, genetics, etc)

[HawaiianPride.]

hey guys. im 36yrs old. im about to do my first cycle. im going to do 40mg a day of dbol for 6wks, and 500mg of sus 250 a wk, 250 mon and 250 thur for 12 wks. my question of course is pct. can someone please tell me the proper pct, doeses, and how long and when to start it. also what would be my expected gains for this cycle giving i consume 4000 cal a day and heavy workout 5 days a wk. thanks guys

Weight?
Height?
BF?
Training experience (consistently)?

Blends aren't suitable for beginners. Single ester Test only. E/C for example.

For PCT advise, education yourself in the PCT forum by getting familiar with some of their protocols.

[gretna]

thanks vullfromsc.

[gretna]

one last question. should i drink a gallon of water a day while on cycle?

[Big]

weight?
height?
bf%?

[HawaiianPride.]

weight?
height?
bf%?

x2. Not sure why he isn't answering our posts.

[MACHINE5150]

one last question. should i drink a gallon of water a day while on cycle?

your supposed to do that even if you are not juicing.. its tough but easy to get used to once you start doing it

[gretna]

sorry guys. 170pds. 5ft 7 inches. im not sure about bf. im a small guy and yhe only fat i have is a little beer gut

[HawaiianPride.]

sorry guys. 170pds. 5ft 7 inches. im not sure about bf. im a small guy and yhe only fat i have is a little beer gut

So you plan on running Sust @ 500mg PW for 12 weeks and Dbol @ 40mg for 6 weeks with an unknown BF and a beer gut?

What exactly are your goals with this proposed cycle you have at hand?

[gretna]

i wanted to put on some size. mass

[Rizdizzle]

Get your Diet and BF% in order before you cycle. Otherwise you risk estrogen sides and if your body isnt fully primed and ready for AAS any gains you make will most likely be lost due to diet and training habits

[gretna]

ok. thank you rizdizzle

[HawaiianPride.]

With me, Sust is notorious in the water category, not to mention Acne due to it being a blend. More compounds = more sides in a lot of individuals, including myself obviously.

Keep in the mind the risks you are running with an "unknown bf" which I'm going to assume is perhaps on the high side. If you decide to run your proposed plan, monitor your BP, stay hydrated, run AI's to help bloat, pay close attention to your diet, keep sodium intake low, consider OTC BP medication, ect. ERSE's on excessive BF will be an issue.

[gretna]

as far as body fat goes, im not overweight at all. im a very slim guy. when i said i have a little gut i should of said slight love handles. its not a six pack. but i do have a very active lifestyle and i consider myself in good shape for the most part. i just wanted to be thicker. you have very good advice and maybe i should hold off on my cycle. thanks again hawaiianpride

[MACHINE5150]

I am not a pro but i think you will do fine.. make sure that you have a proper Post Cycle Therapy plan set up so you can keep your gains.. read into Nolvadex Clomid and HCG ... At the very least do Clomid.. but preferably Clomid and HCG.. I kept 90% of my first cycle.. i would say you probably will balloon up to 195 and then settle back down to around 190 plus or minus 3 or 4 pound on both estimates.. Your first cycle will always give you your best results/dosage ratio. Just make sure you eat well and stay hydrated.. keep us up to date on how it works out for you.

[HawaiianPride.]

I am not a pro but i think you will do fine.. make sure that you have a proper Post Cycle Therapy plan set up so you can keep your gains.. read into Nolvadex Clomid and HCG... At the very least do Clomid.. but preferably Clomid and HCG.. I kept 90% of my first cycle.. i would say you probably will balloon up to 195 and then settle back down to around 190 plus or minus 3 or 4 pound on both estimates.. Your first cycle will always give you your best results/dosage ratio. Just make sure you eat well and stay hydrated.. keep us up to date on how it works out for you.

Just thought I'd share with you that although some of your advice is half decent at best, most of it isn't great advice.

Don't let this discourage you from posting, but I suggest you hit up a ton of research in regards to AAS. I would suggest buying books. Especially William Llewellyn's recent updated versions. You may think you know, until you read some of his shit. A wealth load of information beyond what you can imagine bro. That's where I started.

[MACHINE5150]

Just thought I'd share with you that although some of your advice is half decent at best, most of it isn't great advice.

Don't let this discourage you from posting, but I suggest you hit up a ton of research in regards to AAS. I would suggest buying books. Especially William Llewellyn's recent updated versions. You may think you know, until you read some of his shit. A wealth load of information beyond what you can imagine bro. That's where I started.

I'll take you up on that, and appreciate the constructive criticism. The truth is I speak mainly out of what i used to know seven years ago when i used to sell juice for a couple years in college and was in great shape (5'10" , 230lbs, 9% bf 21y.o.) and go off what i saw with roughly 20-25 different friends/people that did a combination of different cycles over the years.. I personaly only have done one and a half cycles.. So some of my info is rather outdated. Saying you can gain 20lbs and keep most of it on that cycle is completley within reason if done properly.. so which advice in particular are you refering to?

However, i do feel that certain things are bendable with in a small degree.. All i mean by that is certain things are not black and white since everyone is a bit different. i.e. people in here that say don't do a bulking cycle until your body fat is 15% or lower.. or certain other little things. I know that all the advice given here by the vets is the RIGHT advice, but not everyone in here is trying to be 265lbs 9% bodyfat.. I would imagine a majority of these guys asking these questions want to be in shape but are not trying to be profesional body builders.

I would also hope that people here would have enough sense to notice my measly 60 posts and the fact i joined last month into consideration when weighing opinions.

[Rizdizzle]

I would also hope that people here would have enough sense to notice my measly 60 posts and the fact i joined last month into consideration when weighing opinions.

Not everyone is intelligent enough to put all of these things together. Im sure alot of people dont even look at join dates or post counts.
Someone with 10 posts could have a vast wealth of knowledge but chooses to stay silent and watch.
I bet most of the people here looking for information will never be back and only want quick easy answers to an easy fix (aka AAS)

Never assume people have common sense as most dont lol

[HawaiianPride.]

I'll take you up on that, and appreciate the constructive criticism. The truth is I speak mainly out of what i used to know seven years ago when i used to sell juice for a couple years in college and was in great shape (5'10" , 230lbs, 9% bf 21y.o.) and go off what i saw with roughly 20-25 different friends/people that did a combination of different cycles over the years.. I personaly only have done one and a half cycles.. So some of my info is rather outdated. Saying you can gain 20lbs and keep most of it on that cycle is completley within reason if done properly.. so which advice in particular are you refering to?

However, i do feel that certain things are bendable with in a small degree.. All i mean by that is certain things are not black and white since everyone is a bit different. i.e. people in here that say don't do a bulking cycle until your body fat is 15% or lower.. or certain other little things. I know that all the advice given here by the vets is the RIGHT advice, but not everyone in here is trying to be 265lbs 9% bodyfat.. I would imagine a majority of these guys asking these questions want to be in shape but are not trying to be profesional body builders.

I would also hope that people here would have enough sense to notice my measly 60 posts and the fact i joined last month into consideration when weighing opinions.

1st bold: Perfect reason why you should check out those books. Many updated articles in there that should steer you in the right direction

2nd bold: If you gain 20-25lbs off 1 cycle, then that's not a good sign. Simply because, if you truly met your natural genetic potential, the best gains you'll make off a cycle would be 8-12lbs at most.

3rd bold: The Clomid + HCG PCT advise. Understand how HCG works, and you'll better understand why it's meant for PRE-PCT and not during.

4th bold: I personally believe Steroid use (excluding HRT/TRT) should be used by people who want to get massive. Plain and simple. I'm personally sick and tired of hearing people saying "I heard deca is great for joints, so what and how should I run it" or "EQ is great for appetite, and I suck ass at eating, how should I run it" ect ect. If people's goals were to get in shape. Diet, training, sleep, supplements (in that order) will get them their goals. Not to mention their gains will be more maintainable this way.

[HawaiianPride.]

Like I said man, keep posting. I've read your history, and you've made some post that I would completely agree on. But I really recommend those books, just to get caught up with things.

Best of luck.

[MACHINE5150]

I agree with everything you said except the first cycle gains part.. 20lbs probably is too much especialy on his body frame (i played rugby in college so everyone i knew was 6 plus foot tall) so 20lbs is not alot on a 210-225lb person for first time gains

What i should have stated was about 8-10% increase.. I ordered the book..

Last book i owned was Anabolics 2000.. sooo, yeah about a decade behind.. thanks for the advice..

BTW what island do you live on? My dad lives in Honolulu

[HawaiianPride.]

Even the 09 one is awesome.

I lived in Oahu but hardly under a year. Half my familiar live there, Samoa, and L.A.

I miss it...

[MACHINE5150]

It's a lot more expensive than it used to be.. I used to go there every year growing up as a kid.. but when i went there two years ago to visit my dad i couldn't believe the price of drinks/hotels.. like 12 bucks for a pina colada.. The people are great there though, most laid back people in america.

[MACHINE5150]

3rd bold: The Clomid + HCG PCT advise. Understand how HCG works, and you'll better understand why it's meant for PRE-PCT and not during.

just wanted to clarify something, as i read up on HCG this morning and found the following quotes:

"An average dose of HCG during a cycle is between 500 to 1000iu every week to every other week while on a cycle. In one study I reviewed, a single injection of 6000IU of HCG elevated Test levels for 6 days. That's why a lot of people recommend taking it every 3-5 days." <-- your point

"As regards HCG's use of post cycle therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should vary little from person to person." <-- my point

- AnabolicResearchBook2

Now, i know that ideally you would be taking it through your whole cycle, but then you are doing another shot every 3-5 days (my memory is a bit fuzzy but aren't you supposed to shoot HCG subcontaneous so you can't just put it in with other steroids ).. but even more than that:

"the cycles of HCG should be in the 2 to 3 week range with a least one month off in between, you could stretch your cycle out to four weeks without
any major concern if you are using lower doses. One should, however, take care when using HCG as prolonged use could repress the body’s natural production of gonadotropins permanently"

That was why I was always told not to bother with it until the end of your cycle.. to kind of "Kick Start" your PCT and get your balls back to size. Then or meanwhile follow through with some clomid..

Correct me if im missing something, but i want to clarify this before if new information has come to light since the publishing of this book in 2005 as I intend to incorporate HCG into my PCT and want to have it squared away beforehand

[HawaiianPride.]

You can administer it IM or Sub-Q. I prefer Sub.

I've never experienced testicular atrophy in any cycle, so I usually always keep my HCG the last 4 weeks of my cycles. Though if you are running heavy/long cycles, the benefits are most pronounced and should be administered for a longer duration imo.

Using it as a "kick-start" for PRE-PCT is the way to go. Since it mimics LH production and interrupts your HPTA feedback loop the same way injecting testosterone does, it's use during this time would simply be counter productive.

[MACHINE5150]

Okay, thats basically what i thought.. I think i was more mistaken in the verbage then understanding the drug.. thank you for the clarification

[gretna]

question>> is sus 250 and test"cypernate the same thing?

[redz]

Sustanon is a blend of test while test cyp is a single long estered test.

[gretna]

thanks redz.

[poppz]

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