Question regarding low testosterone~New Here

**mvp1080** · 08-03-2010, 05:20 PM

Hey guys new here, signed up to learn more. Anyways I've been working out since I was 15, now 22. I used to weigh around 100lbs. Was real skinny, doctors thought I had a problem. Anyways I broke the barrier during high school. In 1 year I gained to 125lbs to 130lbs. Another year to 160lbs. Then my max was 180lbs, but was a real real dirty bulk, which took me around 3-4 months to get to 180 from 150 or so. I worked my ass off and ate everything in site, but no cardio. My face got chubby, etc.

Anyways I aways thought I had low test due to all this hard work and no results. So 3 years ago I had my test levels checked:

Testosterone , Serum - 436ng/dL
Free Testosterone (Direct) - 14.7pg/mL

He said im in the normal range. and the ranges are 241 - 827. I still think they are low. Now my uncle and father, both have low test levels as well, which got me thinking...People from bb forums back then told me to see an endo, so they can prescribe something. Only thing is I want to not shut down, is there a way to raise levels to around 800-1000ng/dl and not shut down? Or come back to normal and cycle? What do you guys think? Tomorrow I'm expecting new test results.

**bigboomer** · 08-03-2010, 05:26 PM

You could try running a pct and see if it helps raise your testosterone ..Maybe someone more experienced could chime in. I know this can helps raise test levels in men with low test in some cases. You will shut down on any amount of test.

**bigboomer** · 08-03-2010, 05:28 PM

You might want to try posting in the HRT forums

**mvp1080** · 08-03-2010, 06:30 PM

What kind of PCT? I was thinking of cycling some test or maybe just run a cycle of low test to maintain levels. But would running a test cycle lower my total test even lower?

**gymfu** · 08-03-2010, 06:51 PM

Any amount of exogenous test will shut down your natty production.
Not real sure but I believe that a 100mg per week is considered a replacment dose for natty production. Long esthers are always prescribed, ussualy cyp.

**TKO Performance** · 08-03-2010, 07:39 PM

I'd meet with an endochronologist and see if you can get a boost dose to get you up to the high side of normal. There are ways to lower your natural test levels too, basically ensuring that you will get a scrip. Another option would be to try some of the PCT drugs like Clomid or Nolva, which might help boost natural test levels.

**gymfu** · 08-03-2010, 07:42 PM

How would you lower test levels short of going on a cycle and letting it shut down?

**mvp1080** · 08-03-2010, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by TKO Performance

I'd meet with an endochronologist and see if you can get a boost dose to get you up to the high side of normal. There are ways to lower your natural test levels too, basically ensuring that you will get a scrip. Another option would be to try some of the PCT drugs like Clomid or Nolva, which might help boost natural test levels.

Hmm an endo can give you a boost dose? What does that mean? I'm in Colombia right now and wanted to see what I can do or buy over here. I know I can buy some test. I went to a doc here and tomorrow I get my results, but he still against me raising my test if it is in the 400s.

**TKO Performance** · 08-03-2010, 08:52 PM

I know there is a way, but can't remember exactly what. Do a search it was posted here not that long ago. I know you want to have your level checked later in the day. They are highest in the morning.

When it comes to any hormonal "imbalance" some doctors will consider a level too low, others won't. It depends on the individual physician. You need to know the right stuff to say to get them to prescribe. If they think you are drug seeking they won't write the scrip. I wouldn't mention weight lifting, strength goals, etc. You want to say things like you feel tires, sluggish, low libido, etc. All things that are symptoms of low test. Hopefully the doctor will then determine that even though your levels are in the normal range that the level is affecting you more than it might someone else. Hormonal issues are highly individualized, because each person's body chemistry is different.

**mvp1080** · 08-03-2010, 09:53 PM

Hmm, searched but could not find anything. So an endo can give you a boost shot? I'll ask the doctor when I see him. When I had my 400 total test levels, it was in the morning. I was 19. I always hear, test levels should be at peak at that age.

**TKO Performance** · 08-04-2010, 06:18 PM

I think it was a member named BJJ who posted about how to lower the levels. You might want to try and PM him. He really know his stuff from the many posts I've read.

And yes, at 19 your test level should be at peak. If it was only 400 that seems low for that age. I know guys in their 60s and 70s who are still in the 700s naturally. At 19 I'd think you'd be more like 800+

**TRT2010** · 08-04-2010, 07:22 PM

when i went to the anti agining clinic and got told that being 26 and when my levels came back at 400 they told me it was super low. now i got a buddy who is 21 and he got his tested and his was at 220 and he was told that was okay for his age by his GP. I am still new but being in your 20's and test is hovering around 400 you may want to go check out an anti-ageing clinic in your area. I am going on Friday to get my first shot of test cyp at i believe he told me 250mg and will put me on HCG to keep the boys going. maybe thats what you need to do.

**mvp1080** · 08-05-2010, 10:26 AM

Yea that is good to hear. I have seen that as well, where others are 800+ at my age. I do not have facial hair and trouble gaining muscle, mostly gain fat in my face. I will pm BJJ, thanks for that! I never heard of an anti-aging clinic? They can test? I would like to restore my levels higher, but not be on test for the rest of my life, I wish there was a boost like TKO states, otherwise I will just do cycles.

**bigboomer** · 08-05-2010, 10:35 AM

Have you went a met with a endo yet? Ask him about using clomid to raise your natural test levels..Discuss all these options with him. Ask him what options there is, maybe talk with a few different endo before making a for sure decision.some endos are idiots. I went threw a few before getting the one I have now

**mvp1080** · 08-10-2010, 10:24 AM

I haven't met with an endo, just got back from Colombia. I did get my results from the lab, but they did not test TOTAL TEST! Only free test...

Free Test: 25.8pg/mL

Normal says: 9.0-47.0pg/mL

This the same measurements as the US?

**chuckt12345** · 08-10-2010, 10:35 AM

your test levels are fine. Anything you do now will just amplify your problems down the road.

**mvp1080** · 08-12-2010, 09:17 AM

Hmm, I noticed just now, that my new results of free test is higher than my first results of 14pg/mL, wonder what my total test can be? I also wonder if the altitude could of affected this as Bogota's altitude is real high compared to FL. Over there I weighed about 10lbs more than down here and I wasn't eating or working out over there.

I'm probably making excuses, but I just want my test levels to be at its max. All I have taken as supplements are test boosters. I finished my last bottle before I went to Colombia. Am I able to take test boosters without cycling? I was thinking of trying an AI such as Nolvadex , now would this affect my hormone levels, such as raising my estrogen after cycle? Or lowering my test after cycle? Or will it simply just boost test like a test booster? What does everyone think?

**mvp1080** · 08-15-2010, 10:08 PM

Bump. I have Novadex, the AI. Would there be a problem after running a cycle of Novadex? Such as estrogen raising or decrease in testosterone ?

What if I keep using test boosters, without cycling? Anyone with lower test levels, what exactly you do to raise it and keep it up? Thanks guys.

**Nicotine** · 08-15-2010, 10:45 PM

HCG and Clomid.

**stevey_6t9** · 08-15-2010, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by mvp1080

Hey guys new here, signed up to learn more. Anyways I've been working out since I was 15, now 22. I used to weigh around 100lbs. Was real skinny, doctors thought I had a problem. Anyways I broke the barrier during high school. In 1 year I gained to 125lbs to 130lbs. Another year to 160lbs. Then my max was 180lbs, but was a real real dirty bulk, which took me around 3-4 months to get to 180 from 150 or so. I worked my ass off and ate everything in site, but no cardio. My face got chubby, etc.

Anyways I aways thought I had low test due to all this hard work and no results. So 3 years ago I had my test levels checked:

Testosterone , Serum - 436ng/dL
Free Testosterone (Direct) - 14.7pg/mL

He said im in the normal range. and the ranges are 241 - 827. I still think they are low. Now my uncle and father, both have low test levels as well, which got me thinking...People from bb forums back then told me to see an endo, so they can prescribe something. Only thing is I want to not shut down, is there a way to raise levels to around 800-1000ng/dl and not shut down? Or come back to normal and cycle? What do you guys think? Tomorrow I'm expecting new test results.

your test levels are fine, there well within the range.

**tjax03** · 08-16-2010, 05:54 AM

Not one person has asked how you feel? Do you have low sex drive, lethargy etc ? Yes, your levels are in the lower end of normal for someone your age, but people at these sites are quick to jump on the supplementation bandwagon if these cases. There is a reason that the normal levels range so widely, and it is not just because they factor age into the range. If you feel good, then you don't need to mess with your levels. If you have a lack of energy then that is a completely different issue. So far, you say your only problems are that you have trouble gaining muscle and that you gain fat easily. Maybe you just need to work on your diet. What does your training program look like? I would guess that these might be issues rather than your test levels.

**lovbyts** · 08-16-2010, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by mvp1080

Hmm, searched but could not find anything. So an endo can give you a boost shot? I'll ask the doctor when I see him. When I had my 400 total test levels, it was in the morning. I was 19. I always hear, test levels should be at peak at that age.

You need to understand it's not just about the numbers. Normal for you might be 400 and for someone else it might be 700, that does not mean they will necessarily grow bigger than you. It's different for everyone.

There are people with low 300s to mid 200s who feel fine and dont need TRT. There are people who are 500 but feel like crap and need trt.

Personally I think it's the same for many things such as cholesterol also. It's not just about the numbers.

**BJJ** · 08-17-2010, 11:58 AM

You are fine to me, do not look for problems.

**mvp1080** · 08-17-2010, 07:43 PM

Yea I guess I feel fine. I always hear of people saying they felt fine, until they went on HRT, then everything was completely different, such as having energy they never felt, etc. Only thing with me is that I gain fat too easily. I tried different diets, cardio, etc. The fat goes straight to my face and gut. Was thinking of cutting to shed all fat and maybe do a clean bulk, but then I will be underweight. But to get back on topic, would an AI, such as Novadex affect my hormones after cycle? I do not want to mess around with steroids at all now. But want to try different methods to boost test. Thanks for the help everyone.

**BJJ** · 08-18-2010, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by mvp1080

Yea I guess I feel fine. I always hear of people saying they felt fine, until they went on HRT, then everything was completely different, such as having energy they never felt, etc. Only thing with me is that I gain fat too easily. I tried different diets, cardio, etc. The fat goes straight to my face and gut. Was thinking of cutting to shed all fat and maybe do a clean bulk, but then I will be underweight. But to get back on topic, would an AI, such as Novadex affect my hormones after cycle? I do not want to mess around with steroids at all now. But want to try different methods to boost test. Thanks for the help everyone.

I believe you need to do more researches lol.
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) is a SERM and not an AI.

**brokendown** · 08-18-2010, 06:19 AM

what is the goal, did I miss something here, like your BF% and your training.

To lower test be for going to a doc I believe you want to drink beer the night be for, and stay awake all night.There are probably others ways to do it .

**mvp1080** · 08-18-2010, 05:47 PM

I did say Novadex..Novadex is AI and Nolva is SERM like you said. I have Novadex.

Is it ok to run cycles of an AI without affecting hormones in the future?