Pinning test with slin needles, seriously, why not

**russiandave** · 08-04-2010, 09:37 PM

So I am a member of a few different forums, one of them is an anti aging forum for older males. A few members there are on test replacement therapy. their doctors allow them to pin themselves and they successfully use slin pins with 5/16" needles to inject test.

So I said to myself, let me check this out. I had some extra test cyp and test e laying around from my last cycle. just a little bit. I have slin pins for my hgh.

So i go and pull some test out of the vial with the slin pin, no problem at all. literally no issue at all.

Then I wanted to see about pushing it out. Shot it right out into the toilet , again, with zero issues.

Now when I pin my hgh I hit my stomach, but I pin my peptides right into my shoulder. The 5/16" pin goes into the muscle with zero issues. I definitely go right into the muscle, and its over a half inch deep, not shallow at all.

tons of non bbers do it daily with success, and it promotes a healthier injection regiment. Way less scar tissue over the years.

So can someone please explain to me why pinning test with a slin needle into the shoulders or any other very low bodyfat area will not work?

**G4R** · 08-04-2010, 09:46 PM

I don't know what type of test you were using, but a lot of the oil is so thick, it would take a while to inject. Its one thing to just shoot the test into open air, but muscle would take longer. And besides that, test is supposed to be deep I M. 5/16 is barely good enough for Delts (personaly, I say its too short), but what about quads and glutes? It would be no where deep enough. Also, the pins are so thin there is a greater chance of them breaking if you go deep.

Besides, how is a slin pin safer? If you are talking about avoiding scar tissue, just rotate injection sites. There are plenty of them.

**smalltime7** · 08-04-2010, 09:50 PM

i just assumed it was to thick but that sure would be nice in terms of scar tissue

**Big** · 08-04-2010, 09:51 PM

I've seen a few studies on shooting test sub-q, never tried it. none of the gear I use would pass through a slin pin

**gixxerboy1** · 08-04-2010, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by russiandave

So I am a member of a few different forums, one of them is an anti aging forum for older males. A few members there are on test replacement therapy. their doctors allow them to pin themselves and they successfully use slin pins with 5/16" needles to inject test.

So I said to myself, let me check this out. I had some extra test cyp and test e laying around from my last cycle. just a little bit. I have slin pins for my hgh.

So i go and pull some test out of the vial with the slin pin, no problem at all. literally no issue at all.

Then I wanted to see about pushing it out. Shot it right out into the toilet , again, with zero issues.

Now when I pin my hgh I hit my stomach, but I pin my peptides right into my shoulder. The 5/16" pin goes into the muscle with zero issues. I definitely go right into the muscle, and its over a half inch deep, not shallow at all.

tons of non bbers do it daily with success, and it promotes a healthier injection regiment. Way less scar tissue over the years.

So can someone please explain to me why pinning test with a slin needle into the shoulders or any other very low bodyfat area will not work?

hows it over a half inch deep when your pin is just over a 1/4 inch?

**MrGreen** · 08-04-2010, 09:56 PM

I got a box of 28g and have to heat my test to draw it in any find of timely manner. Pinning it isnt really an issue but it is much slower then 22g obviously which is what I had used previously.

**AlphaGenetics** · 08-04-2010, 09:57 PM

would take forever to inject

**MrGreen** · 08-04-2010, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

hows it over a half inch deep when your pin is just over a 1/4 inch?

LOL I really didnt even notice that until you mentioned it , 5/16 needle.

**Big** · 08-04-2010, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

hows it over a half inch deep when your pin is just over a 1/4 inch?

good question

**gixxerboy1** · 08-04-2010, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by 2_slow_5.0

I got a box of 28g and have to heat my test to draw it in any find of timely manner. Pinning it isnt really an issue but it is much slower then 22g obviously which is what I had used previously.

just cause your able to do it doesnt make it right. its supposed to be im and unless your very lean i doubt your getting it deep into the muscle. I would be pretty sure that some of the oil is going sub q

**russiandave** · 08-04-2010, 10:50 PM

Apologies the pins are half inch.

Plenty deep into my shoulder. I don't need to pin glutes.

The reason I posed the question is because pinning test w slin pins is being done daily and successfully. Check out any anti aging website and you will see proof peppered all over.

Yes you can change sites where you inject im to avoid scarring but cmon be reasonable pinning w a slin pin won't scar half as badly as larger gauge needles.

I'm not saying that pinning slin is better than larger gauges but I'm asking for reasons why people think it wouldn't work.

So it takes longer to inject...ok. But it still goes in.

So it's 1/2inch into a muscle instead of 1". Ok well is there a reason why it wouldn't still be absorbed into the system? Why not just use a shorter ester like test prop instead of cyp if absorbtion time is a concern. Unless injecting a half inch isn't deep enough for some reason.

I just see no reason so far why a slin pin isn't a viable delivery system for test.

**russiandave** · 08-04-2010, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

just cause your able to do it doesnt make it right. its supposed to be im and unless your very lean i doubt your getting it deep into the muscle. I would be pretty sure that some of the oil is going sub q

How deep into a muscle is considered im?

**Big** · 08-04-2010, 10:53 PM

preferably im shots would approach the center of the muscle for the best absorption.

**russiandave** · 08-04-2010, 10:55 PM

Please keep in mind that the only gear I tested drawing and pushing were test cyp and test e.

I don't know how thick mast or tren etc are so it may be possible that they simply are too thick. Also warming up the test would make it easier to draw and pin as well.

The needle breaking off is a concern but I've pinned almost 1000 times so far for my hgh and peptides and never had an issue. The pins are pretty sturdy as a general rule.

**Big** · 08-04-2010, 10:56 PM

I say go for it.

**russiandave** · 08-04-2010, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Big

preferably im shots would approach the center of the muscle for the best absorption.

That makes sense but is there a substancial difference in absorbtion of a short ester like test prop when it's a shallower Im shot?

I'm not trying to change anyones mind here or reinvent the bb wheel but from what I've read it seems like people dismiss slin pins very quickly and IMO without truly valid reasons.

Hey man if people want to pin 1 1/2" larger gauge needles I say go for it. I did in my last cycle. But if slin pins work then they should be an option for those that decide to use them.

Not that anyone is stopping them

**russiandave** · 08-04-2010, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I say go for it.

I will bro. I'll probably cycle again in two months. I'll pin w slin pins and get bloodwork done. Worst comes to worst I pin with regular needles

**BROKEN** · 08-04-2010, 11:47 PM

I've done it a whole cycle no problem!!!

I heated the oil on the stove top and shot it!!

just shoot where you have no fat and bury the needle!

**stevey_6t9** · 08-05-2010, 05:12 AM

you will be fine. sub-q and IM absrobancy rates are practically the same.

**russiandave** · 08-05-2010, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

you will be fine. sub-q and IM absrobancy rates are practically the same.

That's good to hear. But if that is true then why do people say slin pins won't work. Sub q I remember someone voicing concerns about a pool of oil sitting in sub q . That seems like a valid concern but if it absorbs the same I guess it's a moot point.

I know a lot of people who would love to cycle but are put off by the needle size and injecting so deeply. I think it's a silly mindset to say"if you can't stick yourself w a 1 1/2" needle then you shouldn't be cycling" . That's just plain goofy. Why should a regular Joe who works out hard and wants to cycle here and there no be able too because people are possibly pushing misinformation or simply don't like the IDEa

of someone being "weak" or "halfassed" just cause they hate needles.

People say don't do oral only cycles so IMO if slin pins work like they seem to be proven to do. Then why not use them or at least promote them when people ask.

It'll mean more people cycling which means more business for sources and reps which makes everyone happy in theory. Btw I'm not a source or rep