Athletes and tbol

[buckeyefootball4]

The East Germans approached the problem very differently. They developed a protocol based on the administration of 0.125 mg of Turinabol (an East German variant of Dianabol ) per kilo of lean body mass. Their optimal dose was much smaller than the Russian dose and was implemented progressively over a number of years. In addition, they cycled the administration of the drug in order to preserve receptor affinity.The typical sprint protocol consisted of five blocks of administration annually. The first cycle started in November and ran for four weeks, followed by a two week break. The second cycle started in mid-December and ran for six weeks, followed by a four week indoor competition period in February. The third cycle started March 1st and ran for four weeks, followed by another two week break. The fourth cycle, also of four weeks, led into the first outdoor competition period which ran from mid-May to mid-June. The fifth and final cycle lasted six weeks and led to the main competition period of the year in August. If the main competition occurred at a different time, the entire season was adjusted accordingly.This system gave a total administration period of 24 weeks with the rest of the year off. The dosage progressed throughout the year with the peak dose occurring during the final six-week block. As the doctors never determined an optimal time of day for steroids , they administered partial doses throughout the day to maintain an even level. This system maintained receptor affinity and, through a gradual increase in dosage, allowed top performances year after year.The maximum state-sanctioned dose recorded in the STASI files for a female sprinter was 1650 mg per year, an average of 9.8 mg/day during the administration period or, viewed another way, an average of 4.5 mg/day over the whole year. The maximum dose recorded for a male sprinter was 1850 mg/year, an average of 11 mg/day during the administration period, or an average of 5 mg/day over the whole year. While trivial by bodybuilding standards, it sure got the job done!

[G4R]

Did I miss the question or was this just an informational post?

[buckeyefootball4]

Did I miss the question or was this just an informational post?

my bad, any thoughts?

[Times Roman]

It is generally accepted that some of these eastern bloc communist countries did not have as much concern for their athletes future well being as maybe they should. True, peak performance may have been attained. But nothing in your article/informational post speaks to long term affects, libido issues, ability to bear children later on, future gyno issues, need for TRT early on..... If the ONLY concern is performance, then sure.... but I'm not, and probably 99% of the rest of us here are NOT willing to make those type of sacrafices.

This sounds like another ORALS ONLY discussion?

[Bonaparte]

It is generally accepted that some of these eastern bloc communist countries did not have as much concern for their athletes future well being as maybe they should. True, peak performance may have been attained. But nothing in your article/informational post speaks to long term affects, libido issues, ability to bear children later on, future gyno issues, need for TRT early on..... If the ONLY concern is performance, then sure.... but I'm not, and probably 99% of the rest of us here are NOT willing to make those type of sacrafices.

This sounds like another ORALS ONLY discussion?

From what I've heard, the women grew beards and had misformed children...

[buckeyefootball4]

It is generally accepted that some of these eastern bloc communist countries did not have as much concern for their athletes future well being as maybe they should. True, peak performance may have been attained. But nothing in your article/informational post speaks to long term affects, libido issues, ability to bear children later on, future gyno issues, need for TRT early on..... If the ONLY concern is performance, then sure.... but I'm not, and probably 99% of the rest of us here are NOT willing to make those type of sacrafices.

This sounds like another ORALS ONLY discussion?

Great points Roman. Do you think the low amounts, we are talking about avg 10mg for men for about 24 weeks out of the year - this seems alot more manageable then what many other users are doing.

[buckeyefootball4]

We can see the 3wk on/ 1 wk off below.

Victor Conte’s letter details how elite track athletes can used performance enhancing drugs to maximize performance with precise dosing and timing for each ergogenic drug.

1. THG (Tetrahydrogestrinone)

THG is a previously undetectable designer steroid nicknamed “the clear.” It was primarily used in the off season and was taken two days per week, typically on Mondays and Wednesdays. Generally, these were the two most intense weight-training days of the week. The purpose was to accelerate he****g and tissue repair. Thirty units (IU) of the liquid was place under the tongue during the morning time-frame. THG was used in cycles of “three weeks on and one week off.”

2. Testosterone / Epitestosterone Cream

Testosterone/epitestosterone cream was also primarily used during the off season. It was rubbed into the skin on the front of the forearm two days per week, typically Tuesdays and Thursdays. The dosage was ½ gram which contained 50mg of testosterone and 2.5mg of epitestosterone (20 to 1 ratio). The purpose was to offset the suppression of endogenous testosterone caused by the use of the THG and to accelerate recovery. The testosterone/epitestosterone cream was also used in cycles of three weeks on and one week off.

3. Procrit (EPO or Erythropoietin)

EPO was used three days per week during the “corrective phase”, which is the first two weeks of a cycle. Typically, it was on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. It was only used once per week during the “maintenance phase” thereafter, typically this was every Wednesday. The dosage was 4,000 IU per injection. The purpose was to increase the red blood cell count and enhance oxygen uptake and utilization. This substance provides a big advantage to sprinters because it enables them to do more track repetitions and obtain a much deeper training load during the off season. EPO becomes undetectable about 72 hours after subcutaneous injection (stomach) and only 24 hours after intravenous injection.

4. Serostim (HGH or Human Growth Hormone )

HGH was used three nights per week, typically on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Each injection would contain 4.5 units of growth hormone. Once again, this substance was used primarily during the off season to help with recovery from very strenuous weight training sessions.

5. Humalog (Insulin )

Insulin was used after strenuous weight training sessions during the off season. Three units of Humalog (fast-acting insulin) were injected immediately after the workout sessions together with a ******ed drink that contained 30 grams of dextrose, 30 grams of whey protein isolates and 3 grams of creatine. The purpose was to quickly replenish glycogen, resynthesize ATP and promote protein synthesis and muscle growth. Insulin acts as a “shuttle system” in the transport of glucose and branch chain amino acids. There is no test available for insulin at this time.

6. Provigil (Modafinil)

Modafinil was used as a “wakefulness promoting” agent before competitions. The purpose was to decrease fatigue and enhance mental alertness and reaction time. A 200mg tablet was consumed one hour before competition.

7. Cytomel (T3 or Liothryonine)

Liothryonine was used help accelerate the basic metabolic rate before competitions. The purpose was to reduce sluggishness and increase quickness. Two 25mg tablets were taken one hour before competition. There is no test available for liothryonine at this time.

[Times Roman]

Great points Roman. Do you think the low amounts, we are talking about avg 10mg for men for about 24 weeks out of the year - this seems alot more manageable then what many other users are doing.

When were they doing this? 70's? 80's??? Our knowledge has expanded greatly since then. Why step backwards???

[buckeyefootball4]

When were they doing this? 70's? 80's??? Our knowledge has expanded greatly since then. Why step backwards???

cmon, balco wasn't in the 80's. It's a known fact that athletes don't need bb amounts - that's a fact.

My friend just completed a low dose cycle:

test prop 1-8wk 200mg
tren ace 1-6wk 100mg
winny 1-6wk 30mg ed
t3 wk 1-8wk 50 ed

Myself I have played around with low dose tbol cycle 30mg 3 on/3 off over several months.

[Atomini]

First of all, what is the point of this thread?

When were they doing this? 70's? 80's??? Our knowledge has expanded greatly since then. Why step backwards???

Turinabol use in the East German olympic team occurred from 1968 - 1972. May have been used after that as well, but those are the documented dates.

[Times Roman]

First of all, what is the point of this thread?



Turinabol use in the East German olympic team occurred from 1968 - 1972. May have been used after that as well, but those are the documented dates.

My point exactly.

[Bigdog99]

I actually feel asleep reading this thread.....