Which steroids produce least vacularity?

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 03:26 AM

I know most people on here seem to really like getting all veiny but personally I don't like it at all. Which steroids seem to affect this the least? Thanks.

**pavlenko** · 08-14-2010, 03:28 AM

deca and test .... your diet plays a key role though

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 03:32 AM

Thanks, anything for cutting that produces less vacularity?

**Princes_Gate** · 08-14-2010, 04:16 AM

the leaner you are the more vascular you get..

so just get fat and you'll be fine

**Atomini** · 08-14-2010, 05:26 AM

Bodyfat %

It has nothing at all to do with what AAS you use.

**GymHero** · 08-14-2010, 05:30 AM

If you are asking a question like this you shouldn't be using AAS.

**sprinter911** · 08-14-2010, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Bodyfat %

It has nothing at all to do with what AAS you use.

You can try a new supplement called Vein Away. Its great. You can build all the muscle you want while shrinking your veins.

Kidding..... Agree 100% with atomini. It has to do with body fat. Some AAS will make you retain water and that will temporarily "hide" your veins but there isn't anything out there that I'm aware of that will not make you vascular. You need blood flow to build muscle

--Sprint

**ghettoboyd** · 08-14-2010, 07:50 AM

id suggest fatadrol its the latest and greatest anti-vascularity compound....

**sprinter911** · 08-14-2010, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

id suggest fatadrol its the latest and greatest anti-vascularity compound....

Boyd, they banned fatadrol earlier this year but a few places have the clone, F-Drol. It's the same stuff, new name. Haha

**Bio-Active** · 08-14-2010, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Streetfightingman

I know most people on here seem to really like getting all veiny but personally I don't like it at all. Which steroids seem to affect this the least? Thanks.

Its all diet! If you don't want to be vascular you probably wont be. steroids are not magic pills. To be vascular you have to adjust your diet, eat clean and do cardio simple as that. Good luck

***FireGuy*** · 08-14-2010, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Bodyfat %

It has nothing at all to do with what AAS you use.

Many AAS increase RBC to a great extent which in turn will cause more vascularity.

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-14-2010, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Streetfightingman

I know most people on here seem to really like getting all veiny but personally I don't like it at all. Which steroids seem to affect this the least? Thanks.

Bulking diets and steroids that are reputable in retaining water will reduce vascularity. Can't give you a straight answer on which compound exactly as each individual responds different.

**JBarron** · 08-14-2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Streetfightingman

Thanks, anything for cutting that produces less vacularity?

wtf

**ghettoboyd** · 08-14-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by sprinter911

Boyd, they banned fatadrol earlier this year but a few places have the clone, F-Drol. It's the same stuff, new name. Haha

lmfao, thats funny bro, love it....

**gymnerd** · 08-14-2010, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Bodyfat %

It has nothing at all to do with what AAS you use.

You have obviously never used tren . Even with 15% bf I will get veins popping out evrywhere its sick

**JBarron** · 08-14-2010, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

You have obviously never used tren. Even with 15% bf I will get veins popping out evrywhere its sick

Man I really want to try tren

**Atomini** · 08-14-2010, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

You have obviously never used tren. Even with 15% bf I will get veins popping out evrywhere its sick

I'm on tren right now dude and i've used it many times before. You don't seem to understand the position of the original poster of this thread. The guy obviously has not done his research and knows very little about body composition changes and how to achieve them, and how they will affect aesthetics.

I'm talking about in the long term. Go look in the mirror a year after using tren and not doing any cycles afterwards and tell me if you're still vascular at 15%. It goes away pretty quickly.

Some of you guys need to stop being so pedantic on this forum. Yes, AAS increases vascularity due to certain secondary factors, and some do this more than others. But it doesn't remain like that for the rest of your life, and it won't show if you're 25% bodyfat, PERIOD.

**gymnerd** · 08-14-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

I'm on tren right now dude and i've used it many times before. You don't seem to understand the position of the original poster of this thread. The guy obviously has not done his research and knows very little about body composition changes and how to achieve them, and how they will affect aesthetics.

I'm talking about in the long term. Go look in the mirror a year after using tren and not doing any cycles afterwards and tell me if you're still vascular at 15%. It goes away pretty quickly.

Some of you guys need to stop being so pedantic on this forum. Yes, AAS increases vascularity due to certain secondary factors, and some do this more than others. But it doesn't remain like that for the rest of your life, and it won't show if you're 25% bodyfat, PERIOD.

I uderstand your point but your original statement was incorrect. NBD Certain Steroids increase RBC count and make your veins pop thats all. Thats something diet alone wont due.

I actually compete more in strength comp and would like to get skinny for once in my life but untill I hang up the chucks thats not really an option for me. I keep higherish BF-well by your guys standards anyways by design and still get very vasular from tren winni EQ etc. My only point was if your going to make a statement make it accurate or dont make it. No need to give false info just to make a point on diet.

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

If you are asking a question like this you shouldn't be using AAS.

Shut up dumbass, I can ask any question I want. I know alot about various meds so I'm asking one of the few questions I don't know. It's not enough of a reason to choose one over another but I have the right to ask any question I want so mind your business.

**Big** · 08-14-2010, 08:27 PM

stats?
specific goals?

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by JBarron

wtf

Why is that such a WTF? It tends to be the cutting steroids that bring out vascularity. And although I know bodyfat has a lot to do with it, there is far more going on than that. I have been very lean without gear and didn't have veins popping out of me. It's increased rbcs, increased fluid, sodium retention and several other things. People are going on and on about whioch drugs will make them more vascular, I don't think it looks good, nor do any women.

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by gymnerd

You have obviously never used tren. Even with 15% bf I will get veins popping out evrywhere its sick

Good point, it's not just the bodyfat, several other things going on.

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Bodyfat %

It has nothing at all to do with what AAS you use.

Actually it's both

**NVR2BIG1** · 08-14-2010, 08:33 PM

some guys are genetically extremely vascular, and I'll tell you what it does. It can give them a false sense of a low bodyfat %, then they show up to a competition and get their ass handed to them! hahaha

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Big

stats?
specific goals?

6' 190 Boxer/Martial Artist 10% bodyfat
Not huge but extremely strong for my weight
Been working out since I was 12, only done light, short cycles, most of my strength is not from gear
Not looking for much weight gain, just decrease the bodyfat a little, gaining a few pounds is fine if it is all muscle, contine to increase strength, hardness, cuts

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by sprinter911

You can try a new supplement called Vein Away. Its great. You can build all the muscle you want while shrinking your veins.

Kidding..... Agree 100% with atomini. It has to do with body fat. Some AAS will make you retain water and that will temporarily "hide" your veins but there isn't anything out there that I'm aware of that will not make you vascular. You need blood flow to build muscle

--Sprint

Thanks, that makes some sense I guess but why did I get very little vascularity from getting muscular without gear?

**NVR2BIG1** · 08-14-2010, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Streetfightingman

Thanks, that makes some sense I guess but why did I get very little vascularity from getting muscular without gear?

genetics

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

I'm on tren right now dude and i've used it many times before. You don't seem to understand the position of the original poster of this thread. The guy obviously has not done his research and knows very little about body composition changes and how to achieve them, and how they will affect aesthetics.

I'm talking about in the long term. Go look in the mirror a year after using tren and not doing any cycles afterwards and tell me if you're still vascular at 15%. It goes away pretty quickly.

Some of you guys need to stop being so pedantic on this forum. Yes, AAS increases vascularity due to certain secondary factors, and some do this more than others. But it doesn't remain like that for the rest of your life, and it won't show if you're 25% bodyfat, PERIOD.

Actually dude, I do know about body composition. I've been a competitive athlete my whole life and I am also a Physician. It's amazing how quickly you forum people jump to conclusions about someone's knowledge level. Most of these substances are various analogs of testosterone with slightly different effects. I am aware that most of the vascularity subsides too. However, I have patients who look like they have varicose veins all over their legs from extensive high dosing of certain steroids . The various vascular effects are not something in the pharmacology texts.

**Streetfightingman** · 08-14-2010, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by NVR2BIG1

some guys are genetically extremely vascular, and I'll tell you what it does. It can give them a false sense of a low bodyfat %, then they show up to a competition and get their ass handed to them! hahaha

True, genetics are another factor

**lovbyts** · 08-15-2010, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Streetfightingman

6' 190 Boxer/Martial Artist 10% bodyfat
Not huge but extremely strong for my weight
Been working out since I was 12, only done light, short cycles, most of my strength is not from gear
Not looking for much weight gain, just decrease the bodyfat a little, gaining a few pounds is fine if it is all muscle, contine to increase strength, hardness, cuts

Age?

**Sc0rch** · 08-15-2010, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Streetfightingman

I don't think it looks good, nor do any women.

Most women like their men to look soft?

I really don't care either way, I love the vascular look.

**Big** · 08-15-2010, 11:55 AM

I know a lot of women who love the shredded vascular look

**JBarron** · 08-15-2010, 11:59 AM

this thread is nuts.

You said your an mma fighter.

If I saw two mma guys about to fight, and I knew nothing about either one of them. I would pick the one that looks more vascular compared to the "soft" looking one.

Just because being shredded and vascular is a sign of being in good shape.

**Jimmy.Boy** · 08-15-2010, 12:15 PM

I dont want to much veins......
why don't you concern yourself with some real side effects

**The.Student** · 08-15-2010, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I know a lot of women who love the shredded vascular look

Agreed. For the most part, what I've found, is that women are either far right or far left on this situation. They either like vascularity or they don't, but trust me there are indeed women who love it, and typically they're in great shape themselves, which is always a plus!

**Streetfightingman** · 08-19-2010, 06:11 AM

I hate to break the news to you guys but extreme vascularity from AS is not healthy. And contrary to what alot of you think, it is not bringing more blood to the muscles. That is angiogenesis, where new capillaries are created. The reason you get a pump is because blood is trapped in the muscle. The veins deliver blood away from the muscles to the heart. Trust me it is not just bodyfat or genetics that causes vascularity. Certain drugs affect the neuromediators of the vein, dilating or constricting. Bulging veins are basically venous insufficiency where the there is a backup in the circulation. I think you know that Tren and Masteron suddenly cause veins to pop after a few weeks use. There are all kinds of skinny ass people and their veins aren't busting out. I can see not worrying about it too much if a little vascularity is what goes with getting huge and ripped but I don't understand why people seek out vascularity. To me big and shredded looks fit not veiny. Most of the boxers I know are not soft at all, totally shredded but not veiny and don't do much AS. But whatever, go enjoy your varicose veins everyone.