Who has actually done a low dose test cycle (lower than 500mg)

**vaders4** · 10-15-2010, 12:11 AM

Just curious how this worked out.

I'm considering for my first cycle doing 375mg a week of test c (or possibly less) in an attempt to see how I react with sides effects etc.

Obviously a lower dose will yield less results, but hopefully less sides.

Just curious what you guys think.

I also have naturally low test.

Stats:
30 yrs old
6ft
180lbs (12%bf)

**codeegee** · 10-15-2010, 12:17 AM

Hey bud, I just posted this in another thread, but just in case you didn't read it.

I'm starting my first cycle November 1st. It goes as follows.

Test Enanthate x 12 weeks. 400mgs/week
Dbol x first 4 weeks. 40mgs/daily
Nolvadex as a PCT (20mgs/daily for 4 weeks after cycle)

I've had a couple friends with similar stats do the identical with very very few side effects. (Bit of extra aggression + a little bit of acne).
I'll be taking before and after pictures, and in addition if you're curious I'll give you a detailed fill on what kind of results I get, what I end up maintaining, side effects, etc.

cheers man!

p.s - I'm 6'0, 190lbs, about 12%bf

**vaders4** · 10-15-2010, 12:25 AM

Right on! I'll be following your progress, good luck.

**codeegee** · 10-15-2010, 01:08 AM

hey, cheers mate

not a chance in hell i'll be telling any of my friends / family, so you guys on this board will be all i have

**MBMETC** · 10-15-2010, 06:25 AM

if i were o do a low dose of test say 350-400 my choice would be prop for 8 weeks. keep in mind im saying this now already being on test e cycle an pinning doesn't bother me. for a first cycle 400mg test e 2x p/w 12 weeks, strong diet, and training should yeild nice results. that being said 400 or 500 i dont think there is much of a diffeerence.
your cycle your choice

**Swifto** · 10-15-2010, 07:07 AM

I was still growing on 350mg/wk Test Prop at 215-220lbs at 10-12% 5"11.

When I cycle soon, I'd doing the same thing, 350mg/wk or 400mg/wk Test Enan.

You can grow fine on 250mg/wk Test Enan as a first cycle with a bit of Tbol or Dbol to kickstart for 5-6 weeks.

**nwjt** · 10-15-2010, 09:21 AM

I've been on 200 mg per week for 6 months. I grew a bit but am still not very big. I was hoping 400mg would be a cycle for me, but now you got me thinking 500 might be a cycle.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-15-2010, 09:24 AM

My last cycle was 350mg Of Test E with Var and I made gains. This was after several cycles that were dosed much higher. So it's very possible for someone who has never introduced these compounds to their body to make significant gains their first time if all other variables are in check.

**songdog** · 10-15-2010, 11:45 AM

I ran 300 test + tren did great.But dont pay attention to HP he looks at weights and gets big.LOL

**Swifto** · 10-15-2010, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

My last cycle was 350mg Of Test E with Var and I made gains. This was after several cycles that were dosed much higher. So it's very possible for someone who has never introduced these compounds to their body to make significant gains their first time if all other variables are in check.

Same here HP.

500mg/wk for a 1st, 2nd, then I messed about with doses and did a proper 14-15 week cycle of TP 350mg/wk and gained about 12-14lbs. Thats what I'm doing again soon.

Grow into your dose.

**Subotai** · 10-15-2010, 12:21 PM

I wonder why the standard is always 500mg/week

I see time and time again people saying that even after going on a dose that high, if they did a 2nd cycle at 350-400 they still make significant gains

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-15-2010, 12:31 PM

There is no set standard really that's just what most boards like to condone.

**vaders4** · 10-15-2010, 12:54 PM

Thanks for the insight guys. I think I'll do about 375mg a week of test cyp.

Being that I have naturally low testosterone I hope I will greatly benefit from a 'lower dose' cycle.

I'm almost considering just doing 250mg a week to see how I feel after 4-6 weeks.

This is my first cycle so maybe my virgin receptors will really respond well to a lower dose, I guess I'll find out.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-15-2010, 01:09 PM

Do you have health insurance? Sounds like you may be eligible for TRT.

**calgarian** · 10-15-2010, 01:11 PM

i am on TRT 250mg/2 weeks.......

**vaders4** · 10-15-2010, 02:10 PM

I'd rather not be on TRT at this age. Not something I'm ready to commit to for the rest of my life.

My sexual function is normal so I don't really mind (except I'm having trouble getting bigger/stronger).

**flexandex** · 10-15-2010, 03:52 PM

i think starting out with a lower dose is a very prudent thing to do.

its funny the vets that have been using steroid for years upon years use less than the newbies and make more gains. wonder why.. :Z

**workdude** · 10-15-2010, 04:04 PM

200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone is more than twice the "normal levels" of test in the body of a healthy non-steroid using male. Therefore, 200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone per week is far more than enough to grow on.

Why jump into 400 or 500 mg per week of test as a first or second cycle when it is highly likely you will get great gains using 200-300mg (in initial cycles)?

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-15-2010, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by vaders4

I'd rather not be on TRT at this age. Not something I'm ready to commit to for the rest of my life.

My sexual function is normal so I don't really mind (except I'm having trouble getting bigger/stronger).

There are many other benefits to TRT besides increased libido, but I respect your decision. As long as your content there is no rush.

**nwjt** · 10-15-2010, 06:59 PM

You can't say that. It really depends on how it reacts in each person. For me, 200 mg per week takes me a 700 out of a 900, so there are males with higher test levels than me naturally while I am on TRT.

I did get gains at 200mg but nothing short of "natural" gains, and I certainly don't look huge (see my avatar, the pieak of what I got on TRT). I think it just let my body catch up to where I was pushing it as I lived with low test for years .

**Aodha** · 10-15-2010, 07:04 PM

Just to post my two cents here. My first cycle I did was 250 mg a week of sustanon . My diet wasn't even in check so that was a waste. But all in all I kept a solid 10 pounds after pct.

**gymnerd** · 10-15-2010, 08:36 PM

One of my freinds did something like that and made awesome gains. I am on 250 mg a wk of test and making great gains. I have been on for over a yr and ran sum huge cycles in that time 1g test, 600mg of tren , 10iu hgh, 130mg of drol ED BUT im hitting it hard in the gym and eating like a buffalo and getting stronger and bigger too. Up you intensity, up your calories, but lower your dose.

You will make great gains and be much healthier and happier too. The big doses it was a chore just to train because of muscle pumps, cramps lethargic ets.

**Ernst** · 10-15-2010, 08:46 PM

My first cycle was 350mg/wk. I would not hesitate to recommend it. I might hesitate to go lower though...

**EatingMyWheaties** · 10-15-2010, 08:46 PM

my first cycle was sust 250 250mg for 4wks then 4wks @ 500mg then back down to 250mg the last 4wks. It was great for a safe, reasonable first stack and I got great results with very little side effect. Knowing what I know now I would have focused more on my diet though.

**Mr.Akeym** · 10-15-2010, 09:48 PM

My experience was actually with Test C @ 200 mg/week with good results! Gained 20 lbs, so anything above 200 should suffice. IMO

**Swifto** · 10-16-2010, 02:18 AM

I'm glad about this thread, I dont think 500mg/wk is needed as a minimum by any means for a first cycle.

250-350mg/wk is plenty IMHO with a solid diet and training protocol.

**eyepoker** · 10-18-2010, 08:51 AM

My friend took 200 mg a week of prop and made nice gains as well as considerable fat loss.

**Morgoth** · 10-18-2010, 08:55 AM

If this is your first cycle, taking less than 500mg is actually a VERY GOOD idea.I suggest you take 250mg/week for your first cycle and see how you react to it.

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-18-2010, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I'm glad about this thread, I dont think 500mg/wk is needed as a minimum by any means for a first cycle.

250-350mg/wk is plenty IMHO with a solid diet and training protocol.

I agree, it's so good to see so many positive reviews from people starting as low as they can while still receiving quality gains.

**dec11** · 10-18-2010, 09:10 AM

i perfected my diet and im gaining more on my 250mg trt and 3iu's gh than i ever did in my 1st few cycles at 500mg pw

**HitIt** · 10-18-2010, 10:19 AM

is it possible that 500mg/week is "standard" because typical ugl test e's are dosed at 250mg/ml and at two shots a week you get 500mg/wk...i guess it's easier to tell someone to draw 1ml than to devide the marks on your syringe to get 150mg or 200mg per injection from a bottle dosed at 250mg/ml

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-18-2010, 10:22 AM

It's just as easy to do the math and calculate what you should be using rather a straight 2cc's per week.

**needmorestrength** · 10-18-2010, 10:45 AM

Im on my second cycle. My first was at 250 mg's a week and now on this one I am at 375 and quite enjoying it!

**vaders4** · 10-18-2010, 11:16 AM

I'm very happy to see the positive replies in this thread, really makes me excited about my first "low dose" cycle.

I've talked to some of the older guys who've been in the game for a while when I told them I was thinking of running 500mg a week first time out they said "no need".

But the younger guys I talk to seem to think anything less than 500mg a week is a "waste of time".

Glad to see some REAL experiences in this post.

I've gained about 30lbs above my natural body weight and I have hit a plateau (after 2+ years of lifting). Yes I can gain more weight (fat mostly) but I like the lean/dry look.

I'll be starting my cycle @ 250mg a week for 10-12 weeks. Hopefully sides will be low and almost non existent at this dose however I have all the proper drugs to battle any type of sides.

**vaders4** · 10-18-2010, 11:18 AM

How were your sides @ 250mg a week?

**dosXX** · 10-18-2010, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by vaders4

I'd rather not be on TRT at this age. Not something I'm ready to commit to for the rest of my life.

My sexual function is normal so I don't really mind (except I'm having trouble getting bigger/stronger).

Low test can have a significant overall impact on your body there are many studies out there that concluded that men who have low test values are more likely to have heart problems in the long run, and are likely to get diabetes also. It is also factored-in when evaluating your total sperm count. Low test can also indicate if a person might have some thyroid issues.

Now I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just sharing some of the facts that I've read. I'm also not trying to convince you to be on TRT. But just so you know, TRT doesn't necessarily mean that you have to use test for the rest of your life. There are other compounds available that was clinically proven to raise test levels such as, clomid and arimidex . You'll be suprise what those two compounds can do to people with hypogonadism (low test). But of course, side effects are also and always possible so be aware of that and this is the main reason why people need a doctor they can work with.

See a specialist, I mean an actual doctor not those online florida websites. Good luck and be safe

**vaders4** · 10-18-2010, 12:06 PM

Unfortunately my health insurance doesn't cover that sort of thing.

I'm going to put myself on 250mg a week of test and see how I feel. I have enough test right now to run that sort of cycle for over a year straight if I wanted to.

I'm thinking once I go on and feel what it's like to not be lethargic/tired and sometimes depressed for no reason, I may never want to come off :/

Originally Posted by dosXX

Low test can have a significant overall impact on your body there are many studies out there that concluded that men who have low test values are more likely to have heart problems in the long run, and are likely to get diabetes also. It is also factored-in when evaluating your total sperm count. Low test can also indicate if a person might have some thyroid issues.

Now I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just sharing some of the facts that I've read. I'm also not trying to convince you to be on TRT. But just so you know, TRT doesn't necessarily mean that you have to use test for the rest of your life. There are other compounds available that was clinically proven to raise test levels such as, clomid and arimidex . You'll be suprise what those two compounds can do to people with hypogonadism (low test). But of course, side effects are also and always possible so be aware of that and this is the main reason why people need a doctor they can work with.

See a specialist, I mean an actual doctor not those online florida websites. Good luck and be safe

**Billytk03z** · 10-18-2010, 08:57 PM

I am currently running test cyp @ 200mg/wk for the past 5 months as part of my trt program and my blood/test levels came back at 1870 (300-1100)... pretty impressive... I am actually gonna drop down to 160mg/wk to get closer to 1100 range.....

**vaders4** · 10-18-2010, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Billytk03z

I am currently running test cyp @ 200mg/wk for the past 5 months as part of my trt program and my blood/test levels came back at 1870 (300-1100)... pretty impressive... I am actually gonna drop down to 160mg/wk to get closer to 1100 range.....

Have you been making any gains? side effects?

**ThatGuyYeahHim** · 10-18-2010, 09:49 PM

With sust 250, I get it in 1ml amps.
So should I load a syringe up with 1ml and use 1/2 - 3/4 and then put a new needle on, cap it and put it in the drawer? Then next time crack another amp and refil that syringe?

With vials I can see no problems but just thinking of amps. Otherwise Id need to transfer it to a new vial.

Also - since Sust should be taken every 3.5 should i be doing 1/2 - 3/4 of a ml every 3.5 days? Or just weekly? Toying with this idea and while it seems great these amps are causing a little confusion.