HCG virgin

[Da Bai Xiong Ma]

Hey guys! Its been awhile since I've been around here. My next cycle that I've planned is going to look like this:
400mg deca per week, week 1-15
400mg test cyp per week, week 1-15
50mg dbol ed, week 1-4
400iu hcg split into 2 doses per week, week 4-18
.5mg arimidex ed, week 4-18

PCT
25mg clomid ed, week 18-22
20mg nolva ed, week 18-22

I've never used HCG before and have a few questions...
The directions say, "Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from the lyophilized vial and inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely dissolved in solution."

Seeing as how the directions say you can add up to 10mL of diluent to the lyophilized vial, I'm assuming that the vials that come with this particular brand (both the one with the powder and the one with the diluent) are standard 10mL vials. If anyone sees a problem with my logic please feel free to correct me. Its a 2000iu dosage and I'm planning on mixing in 10mL of diluent to give me 200iu/mL.

My plan is is to inject 200mg deca, 200mg test cyp, 200iu hcg twice/week. Is it ok to mix the hcg in with the deca and test and send it all in one IM injection?

Thanks!

[OldManRiver]

Ok, so Swifto is the resident HCG Guru, he's got some good stickies on this. Your 200ius twice a week seems fine for a beginsr but why not start at week 1? Secondly, I have never used the distilled solution that came with the hcg. I have always bought a 30ml bactrostatic and removed the necessary amount. Then used that water (about 1ml) to dislove the powder and inject that solution back into the bactrostatic water depot.... Hope this helps.

Lastly, your pct is a little off, don't you mean clomid at 50 or 100 mg ed for wks1-2 then 25 or 50mg for wks3-4?

Oops forgot about the last question... I've always injected subcutaneously, but I have heard others have mixed it into there weekly IM shots. I think it's just easier to get some insulin syringes from your local walgreens (they don't require perscriptions for insulin syringes) and inject the 1ml HCG solution into your belly. It's quite painless, and you wouldn't be adding to the IM. Plus I have heard that mixing water with the oil causes problems when injecting. Hope this helps.

[40plusnewbie]

HCG comes in different ammt's of iu's, I've only seen the 10,000 iu vial. It comes with 30ml of BW where I get mine. I inject it with a slin pin sub q. I needed to, after reconstituting the HCG, transfer it into a 30ml vial. The 10,000 iu vial is shot in one injection into females to trigger ovulation when in infertility treatment so it doesn't need to be diluted as much compared to diluting for people (males during cycle or during pct) who are injecting say 250iu's 2x/week. I also don't like sticking larger needles into rubber vial stoppers unless it is needed. I loaded like 15 or so slin pins for a buddy of mine and then draw mine out of the vial at injection time 2x/week so that rubber stopper is being hit like 50 times or something. I don't want to hit that rubber stopper with 22g or 25g needles when I can hit it with a 29g or 30g insulin syringe.

[Da Bai Xiong Ma]

Thanks for the info from both of you guys. I'll just go with a slin pin then and go sub-q. From what i gathered from the description of the product was that it came with a 10ml vial of water and a 10ml vial that had the powder in it. They also have a 5000iu option from a fairly well known brand with the 1ml sachets which of course allow for a much more concentrated solution which i would gather would be better for small volume slin needles... It doesn't appear that product comes with vials of bacstatic h2o but just sachets of bacstatic h2o for a one time 5000iu recon and use. So, i guess a bacstatic vial of h2o from ar-r we'll be needed...
As for starting the hcg in week 4 River, I have read that most guys tend to add the hcg somewhere from midway to the end of a cycle. And, since I will be taking long ester compounds I saw no harm in starting it in week 4 and running it until right before i started pct. If that's flawed, then I'll run it all the way through. As for only running 25mg/day clomid with 20mg/day nolva for 4 weeks of pct instead of the standard 50/50/25/25 and 40/40/20/20 approach, I was under the impression that with running an AI and HCG throughout the cycle would allow for a more mild pct and quicker recovery.
Thanks

[Da Bai Xiong Ma]

... Also, a couple last quick questions
1) Is .5ml a good of volume to do a sub q injection with? Should it be less? Or could you go up to a 1ml sub q injection?
2) If using HCG from the beginning of a cycle, would you want to stop using it when you started PCT? I was wondering what the effects of continuing to use HCG into the first 2 weeks of a 5 week PCT at a 400iu/week dose would be?

I attached a screen shot of my cycle spreadsheet... wow, i'm bored.
thanks

[OldManRiver]

Yes, 1/2 a ml is ok, I have used 1 ml worth of solution before and had no problem (actually I have always used 1ml). Sometimes you feel a little lump at the injection spot but it disapates after a couple minutes. As for The pct, you should stop hcg at your last injection. good luck!

[40plusnewbie]

Thanks for the info from both of you guys. I'll just go with a slin pin then and go sub-q. From what i gathered from the description of the product was that it came with a 10ml vial of water and a 10ml vial that had the powder in it. They also have a 5000iu option from a fairly well known brand with the 1ml sachets which of course allow for a much more concentrated solution which i would gather would be better for small volume slin needles... It doesn't appear that product comes with vials of bacstatic h2o but just sachets of bacstatic h2o for a one time 5000iu recon and use. So, i guess a bacstatic vial of h2o from ar-r we'll be needed...

With the 10ml vial of water and 10ml vial of powder just put the 10ml of water in the 10ml vial of powder (you have to do it right, you draw the water into the syringe, stick the syringe in the vial of powder and SLOWLY inject the water into the vial so that it drips onto the side of the vial wall and then drips down onto the powder. DO NOT shoot the water right onto the powder. You gently swirl the water/powder mix until all the powder is dissolved.

Does the 5000iu option come with the 5000iu's in a vial? If so you might be able to reconstitute it in there, depending on the size of the vial. I was splitting my 10,000iu vial with a friend so had to dilute it a lot. I diluted it so that 1ml had 500iu's in it and inject 50 ml's 2x/week (actually like 60ml's 2x/week and my buddy does 40ml's because I outweigh him by 100lbs).

I had to use a fresh 30ml vial to hold the 10,000 iu's at 500iu's per ml. I suppose I could have used the BW vial after diluting the hcg into solution in the vial it came in, then withdrawing it and injecting it back into the BW vial as it is a 30ml vial and saved some time and a vial in the process.

Are you considering buying hcg that is in a sachet and not a sealed sterile vial? I wouldn't do that but I think it's fine to store the reconstituted hcg in solution in insulin syringes in the fridge. That's what I did for my buddy, drew his portion into syringes for him.

[40plusnewbie]

Yes, 1/2 a ml is ok, I have used 1 ml worth of solution before and had no problem (actually I have always used 1ml). Sometimes you feel a little lump at the injection spot but it dissipates after a couple minutes. As for The pct, you should stop hcg at your last injection. good luck!

I inject 1/2ml out of a 1ml syringe 2x/week. It's fully diluted and I just would have had to put 2x as much BW into the vial (and used an even larger vial or 2 30ml vials) if I diluted it twice as much as I did. 1/2 a ml is large enough so you can get an accurate reading on the syringe, I wouldn't want to try injecting 250iu's that was only diluted to like 2 tic's on a slin pin though.

I think u are supposed to stop at your last injection as well and am pretty positive you want to stop before pct but not sure if it is helpful/neutral/detrimental to inject during the period between your last test injection and the start of your pct. Check the stickies. I think Swifto is the master when it comes to this stuff but I'm sure glad I'm using hcg during my cycle, after 43 yrs I have become attached to my nuts and them staying the same size. I will always do this unless science comes out with evidence that it is harmful or comes out with a better way of doing it.

[MACHINE5150]

Yes, 1/2 a ml is ok, I have used 1 ml worth of solution before and had no problem (actually I have always used 1ml). Sometimes you feel a little lump at the injection spot but it disapates after a couple minutes. As for The pct, you should stop hcg at your last injection. good luck!

i disagree with this.. you can run HCG all the way through your PCT

[40plusnewbie]

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[40plusnewbie]

i disagree with this.. you can run HCG all the way through your PCT

Is there a sticky on this bro? I know ppl used to use it during pct, newer school of thought is during cycle, was unaware it was ok or even beneficial to running until the end of pct. Remember where u got this info?

[themoreyouknow]

i disagree with this.. you can run HCG all the way through your PCT

generally, you stop at the time of your last pin...but you COULD run it through pct

[themoreyouknow]

Hey guys! Its been awhile since I've been around here. My next cycle that I've planned is going to look like this:
400mg deca per week, week 1-15
400mg test cyp per week, week 1-15
50mg dbol ed, week 1-4
400iu hcg split into 2 doses per week, week 4-18
.5mg arimidex ed, week 4-18

PCT
25mg clomid ed, week 18-22
20mg nolva ed, week 18-22

I've never used HCG before and have a few questions...
The directions say, "Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from the lyophilized vial and inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely dissolved in solution."

Seeing as how the directions say you can add up to 10mL of diluent to the lyophilized vial, I'm assuming that the vials that come with this particular brand (both the one with the powder and the one with the diluent) are standard 10mL vials. If anyone sees a problem with my logic please feel free to correct me. Its a 2000iu dosage and I'm planning on mixing in 10mL of diluent to give me 200iu/mL.

My plan is is to inject 200mg deca, 200mg test cyp, 200iu hcg twice/week. Is it ok to mix the hcg in with the deca and test and send it all in one IM injection?

Thanks!

...unrelated to your post but stop the deca two weeks before the test

[Da Bai Xiong Ma]

...unrelated to your post but stop the deca two weeks before the test

if i run deca , i will definitely do that.
Thanks

[sixoner]

Does the 5000iu option come with the 5000iu's in a vial? If so you might be able to reconstitute it in there, depending on the size of the vial. I was splitting my 10,000iu vial with a friend so had to dilute it a lot. I diluted it so that 1ml had 500iu's in it and inject 50 ml's 2x/week (actually like 60ml's 2x/week and my buddy does 40ml's because I outweigh him by 100lbs).

are you saying you are injecting 60ml and your bud is injecting 40ml twice a week......60ml is a large injection bro??

very large!!!

[40plusnewbie]

are you saying you are injecting 60ml and your bud is injecting 40ml twice a week......60ml is a large injection bro??

very large!!!

Sorry, 0.6ml/ 0.4ml 2x/week for a weekly dose of 600iu's for me and 400iu's a week for him.