Femera (Letro) Cycle questions

**Hard2Gain** · 11-09-2010, 06:41 AM

Ok, so I am in the process of doing some research into some gyno reduction. My initial plan was to run it by itself but I have thought about stacking with with a cutting cycle if you will consisting of Mast and Win. My question however is the following:

When running Letro at .25mg/ed do I need to take something post treatment to prevent any sort of rebound affects? Would something like Nolva, Adex, or clomid be recommended?

I am planning to start this in late January or so but and just trying to plan things out at this point.

Just as an fyi, the goal is to lean out and get fairly ripped but I still have some gyno issues that I want to see if I can reduce (may not be possible but I have heard some people having decent results running letro for this)

**scotty51312** · 11-09-2010, 07:32 AM

if you already have gyno, i'd just run the letro or maybe letro and nolva, but i can tell you now that letro dose is to low to treat gyno. As for what dose to run i'm not sure but theres a sticky thread at the top of the page about gyno reversal I think its one that marcus wrote. Read that one

**Hard2Gain** · 11-09-2010, 08:44 AM

I will look for it. Thanks.

**Hard2Gain** · 11-09-2010, 09:36 AM

Well, hee is the one that I found.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ARMachine-quot

It basically states that Letro is the strongest but then says that Tamox (ndex) can reverse/reduce gyno. At this point I am a little unsure of what I should be doing. I haven't found anything stating what a gyno reduction dose should be when using Letro though I did see one for Ndex. Knowing that Ndex is not as strong as Letro it makes more sense to me that I should be trying to run letro at this point or a combination of both. Unfortunately, I have yet to find any sort of combo dose for this either.

I mean, if .25mg/ed is considered low for Letro then would should I be looking at? It comes in pill form at 2.5mg/tab. If running at lets say .5mg/ed then should I still be looking at running Ndex at 40mg/5 days and then 20mg/ed for the remainder? Also when trying to treat this sort of thing, the question is for how long should I plan on running it? I know I need to taper the Ndex off if you will but not sure if I need to taper the Letro. I'm just not finding anything at this point.

***D7M*** · 11-09-2010, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Hard2Gain

Ok, so I am in the process of doing some research into some gyno reduction. My initial plan was to run it by itself but I have thought about stacking with with a cutting cycle if you will consisting of Mast and Win. My question however is the following:

When running Letro at .25mg/ed do I need to take something post treatment to prevent any sort of rebound affects? Would something like Nolva, Adex, or clomid be recommended?

I am planning to start this in late January or so but and just trying to plan things out at this point.

Just as an fyi, the goal is to lean out and get fairly ripped but I still have some gyno issues that I want to see if I can reduce (may not be possible but I have heard some people having decent results running letro for this)

Can you tell us more about the etiology of your gyno.

Cycle history?

Stats?

**Hard2Gain** · 11-09-2010, 10:17 AM

My bad man.

I think I actually have pubital gyno really and it was probably exaggerated by my cycles run. However, I did run Ndex with both cycles when I thought I was getting some tenderness and it subsided in a couple of days. In any case, I have run two different cycles over a two year period (about a year ago for the last one)

First cycle was:
Dbol
Test E
Aromasin
Ndex

Second was:
Dbol
Test C
Ndex
This cycle was shut down at about week 10 due to a tendonitis flare up in my elbow. I jumped on my Ndex and closed down shop if you will. I ended up burned out and bumbed out at that point and started riding my mountain bike again. In fact, I got so into it over the summer that I started racing again. But with the weather change and a desire to rectify some of this gyno crap and wanting to finally follow thru on my words to get ripped for summer, I am back in the gym. Honestly though, I did not really see any increases in my gyno while on cycle. Short of simply getting some acne I really did not notice any other symptoms other than the one time that I got a little tender. I did bloat a little in the beginning but I think that was partially due to the dbol but once cardio was increased slightly, things mellowed out.

Currently I weigh right about 186 and my BF is about 15%. I am working on lowering that and still cleaning up my diet again after pretty much eating whatever I wanted over the summer since I was burning about 1000-1200 cals every time I went out riding. I still need to get remeasured for this and am going to see if I can get it done on Thur/Fri when I go to the gym.

I would not say that my gyno is horrible but it bothers me enough that this past summer I hated taking my shirt off when I went to the pool with my daughters. While pumped up after working out I think I look pretty good but when not pumped, it just bothers me. So, I am now at a point where I feel I need to try something. Unfortunately, I can look back at my fathers side of the family and see that both my dad, uncle and grandfather all have bitch tits. I can't take it! I figure I would like to try chemical thereapy first and if that does not work then I may seriously have to start talking to the wife about having surgery (which I will have to pay for unfortunately).

Other stats,
39 years old, been lifting off and on for at least 18 years now. Was always into lifting but for years it was all leg work for cycling (raced bicycles for years). 5'9" tall.

BTW, D7M, were/are you a Marine? I was a Ranger for 6 years when I was in the Army.

**cro** · 11-09-2010, 01:14 PM

try the letro only/why not ive read alot threads on here they say it works. did you run nolva from the begining of your cycles?

**cro** · 11-09-2010, 01:17 PM

i went to army jump school with rangers they were some hard chargers... 2nd bn 4rth marines

**Hard2Gain** · 11-09-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by cro

try the letro only/why not ive read alot threads on here they say it works. did you run nolva from the begining of your cycles?

No I did not. I probably should have knowing the state of my body at the time but I was dumb. I probably started using it at about weeks 5 or 6 when I got some tenderness.

**Hard2Gain** · 11-09-2010, 04:57 PM

Sweet. There were a few Forced Recon guys in my jump class. I had not been to Ranger school when I went to jump school so I was just like every other leg at the time. In the end, I spent alot of my last couple of years working with 6th Group SF. I went to SF selection, got selected but then opted to get out of the military all together since I was already married and did not want to deal with living that sort of life.

**cro** · 11-09-2010, 10:37 PM

good idea to get out while goings good.you did your time bro. no matter if war time or peace time they had there time .

**Hard2Gain** · 11-10-2010, 12:52 PM

Ok, does anyone have a dose for Letro when taken by itself? I have now read of some guy taking 2.5mg/day and has been on it for 30 days. Does this sound high? Low? Will I need to taper myself off of it if and once I see the results I am looking for?

**Hard2Gain** · 11-10-2010, 02:17 PM

Bump back to the top.

Still looking for a stand alone dose rate for Letro. See post ^^^^

**BIG NICE** · 11-10-2010, 07:35 PM

Man, if you have bumps underneath your nipple, a low dose of .25 mg/daily will not suffice. I mean, you need to eliminate the estrogen from your body and hope it triggers the lumps to shrink or disappear. I thought I could go with .25 or .5, but after seeing what a small amount it actually is, I upped the dosage. I also added Prami, as I am really trying to eliminate these bumps. Other guys might have other opinions, but that's what I am doing from what I've read. Tapering up and down on the letro dosage of course. Prob use the prami and nolva tablets to come off of it.