Opinions/Help with a stack set up.

[sixty9lies]

I'm 20 Years old, 165 and in pretty good shape. Been lifting on and off for around 5 years. This will be my first official "stack."
I've done plenty of research pertaining to this subject, but nothing that hits the nail on the head for the supplements i have.
I have anadrol 50mg, winstrol 50mg, sustanol 250ml, Pregnyl (5000 pcu's i guess it's called), Clomid 50 mg, and Novadex 10mg.
Does anyone advanced enough have any good suggestions as to how i should take this? I have a mass stack sheet with info that suggests i take the anadrol and winstrol at the same time, but i'm pretty sure that'll be a little too rough on my liver. I'm wanting to use the winstrol near the end of the cycle to dry up the water weight from the anadrol. Any help/tips on a good cyle would be appreciated.

[marcus300]

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[Vullfromsc]

to sum up what marcus said, you should wait until your mid 20's to start a cycle. you seem to be on the lighter side as well, are you really short? or maybe you need to take a look at your diet before you consider steroids .. the diet forum is full of good info man.

also a first cycle (hate the word "stack") should only be one test compound man, you are getting way too far ahead of yourself with all that. your body could have a really bad reaction since it is your first time and you are on the young side

[sixty9lies]

Well, when starting out, I already plan on making sure I have my muscles maxxed out as much as possible. And as for the diet, I'll be on a strict anabolic diet before i begin my cycle. As for my height, I'm 5'10 and fairly built. Not overweight at all. I'll be 21 in 3 weeks (i know this doesn't make much of a difference) but I'm pretty serious about wanting to start my cycle. So besides all the warnings, to sum it up, you guys just recommend a good post workout diet, and make sure not to overload myself? And as for the supplements, do you have any suggestions on how i need to take it safely, while also maximizing my gains and keeping the muscle i put on with anadrol ? They say winstrol will harden the muscles from the water weight from anadrol, so should i start taking them after the anadrol, or do as the mass stack says and take them around the same time? I apprecicate the help guys.

[marcus300]

You don't need steroids at your age, did you even read what I posted?,
You could damage your natural test levels which would have a serious impact on your life, no one here will advice someone your age and weight to take steroids,

[sixoner]

youre stackingon complications to your life and body and you're setting up for failure...dont be a lost cause bro, listen to the words of wisdom...

[sixty9lies]

Marcus- I appreciate your help, I really do. You seem to know a lot about this sort of thing. And maybe I am ****ing myself over. But i've also got tons of friends who take them and work out and they're doing better than ever. And i'm not claiming this as peer pressure, because it's not. But all i want is something to give myself a boost. I don't plan on cycling continuously after this first cycle. In fact this will probably be my only cycle. Against your better judgement though, do you have any tips on how i cycle it?

[marcus300]

You shouldn't cycle at your age you can cause yourself serious problems, you have no idea what you dealing with or doing, you don't have a base and you to young, sorry can't help you and you should stop trying to find what you want to hear and listen to what is right

[baseline_9]

Man u dont have a clue

Just reading what u have write in a few posts its clear that u dont know what ir doing

U want a boost, food is ur answer, get in the diet section, you will not regret it

[MBMETC]

Marcus- I appreciate your help, I really do. You seem to know a lot about this sort of thing. And maybe I am ****ing myself over. But i've also got tons of friends who take them and work out and they're doing better than ever. And i'm not claiming this as peer pressure, because it's not. But all i want is something to give myself a boost. I don't plan on cycling continuously after this first cycle. In fact this will probably be my only cycle. Against your better judgement though, do you have any tips on how i cycle it?

one cycle, ya ok

[cerealkiller326]

Dude, too young. I am no expert in cycles yet, but seems like your diet and training lacks, don't run to the easy way out, your bound to fail and only then you will go through the rabbit hole deeper then you have to. Be patient, and educated yourself.