test 400 & deca cycle

[azgordon]

hey guys, am confused as hell, i'm soon to start a test 400 (cyp, eth, prop) and a deca cycle but all sites i have been on people contradict each other, so my main questions are

can i jab test and deca in one jab and is 200mg of deca enough?
some sites say you cant use nolvadex to block gyno if you have deca in your cycle and some say you can?
what would be best to use if i cant use nolvadex?

sorry ask so many questions its only my second cycle, my first was test cypionate and d-bol, was alot less confusing than this lol.

[MBMETC]

stats first buddy
age
weight
height
bf%
cycle exp
yrs training
planned pct
goals from this cycle
and then any and all questions will be answered

[azgordon]

ok im 21, 5 foot 9, 182lbs, not sure bout my body fat, been training 4 years consistent, this is only my second cycle as i said on the first message, any help now

[scotty51312]

You're to young to be cycling and risking permanant damage to your endochrine system that hasn't fully matured yet. You should not cycle till you're at least 25. The only advice you'll get here is to stay away from AAS and get bloodwork done to see if you've already damaged your body's natural test production from doing a past cycle at such a young age! Take some time to learn in our diet and training section. Your goals can probably be achieved naturally for now.

[azgordon]

everywhere else says 21 is old enough, i thought u guys are ment help just seems like every time it comes to trying answer someone's question u find a new reason not to, if your not goin help me just dont bother posting instead of posting BS about im to young, if anyone does actually want try help me and give me some answers id really appriate it if not just dont reply not make up sum BS so you dont have answer....

[themoreyouknow]

everywhere else says 21 is old enough, i thought u guys are ment help just seems like every time it comes to trying answer someone's question u find a new reason not to, if your not goin help me just dont bother posting instead of posting BS about im to young, if anyone does actually want try help me and give me some answers id really appriate it if not just dont reply not make up sum BS so you dont have answer....

they're not replying with BS, they are looking out for YOU! Because, obviously you cant do that for yourself. Bro, 21 is too young. Why risk fvcking up your endocrine system and having to be on trt for the rest of your life..is it really worth it? 3-4 years is not a long time to wait. You'll make nice gains in that time. Your body is at its natural peak right now

[scotty51312]

everywhere else says 21 is old enough, i thought u guys are ment help just seems like every time it comes to trying answer someone's question u find a new reason not to, if your not goin help me just dont bother posting instead of posting BS about im to young, if anyone does actually want try help me and give me some answers id really appriate it if not just dont reply not make up sum BS so you dont have answer....

Then everywhere else is wrong! The best help anyone can give you is to advise you to hold off on AAS for a few more years. No ones looking for reasons not to answer questions here. This site values safe and responsible use of AAS, including waiting for your body to reach maturity before use. As many threads that have been posted in this forum, your questions have already been asked plenty of times and answered. Good luck and hope you make the right decision!

[Jack23]

You cant use nolvadex with deca .Nolvadex rises estrogens in body also progesteron,and deca rises progesteron too.This will make side effects worse.

[scotty51312]

^^^really? come on!

[vettewreck]

So youre gonna run 400mg test per week and 200mg deca per week? That correct? If its only your second cycle Id say thats fine. 300mg of deca per week would be better bc im not sure if yould see much results on 200, but 400 would be too high and you dont wanna be bumping up your test to overcome the sides of deca in only your second cycle get me? Figure out your dosege per ML of deca and adjust it to 150mg per shot and yes you can shoot in the same syringe as your test. Id do this: 200mg test, 150mg deca on Monday and Thursdays.

[TopDogUK]

People have recorded results from as low as 200mg of deca a week, Personally after reading some posts on here i would start with the lower dose, if it doesn't seem to be doing much up the dose or up it next cycle? At 21 there is plenty of time to try things out.

But its down to you, I dont see anything wrong with doing as vettewreck says and upping it to 300mg.

[scotty51312]

This really annoys me. All this info is easily found with a quick search. Not only is everyone giving someone advice on how to cycle that doesn't have any business cycling, they're spoonfeeding them information that could easily be found. This isn't a classroom and just because you know the answer to a question doesn't mean you have to post it. If you wanna postwhore go to the lounge. I swear if a 12 year old girl posted about wanting to do steroids to be a better cheerleader someone would post up a recommended cycle. Ok thats my rant for the day. Food for thought!

[Matt]

This really annoys me. All this info is easily found with a quick search. Not only is everyone giving someone advice on how to cycle that doesn't have any business cycling, they're spoonfeeding them information that could easily be found. This isn't a classroom and just because you know the answer to a question doesn't mean you have to post it. If you wanna postwhore go to the lounge. I swear if a 12 year old girl posted about wanting to do steroids to be a better cheerleader someone would post up a recommended cycle. Ok thats my rant for the day. Food for thought!

Agreed....

[vettewreck]

I kinda see your point Scotty but imo, this IS a classroom. Its a board. Thats what boards are for, information. Reguardless if you dont like seeing the same questions over and over again, its gonna happen. And people are going to do what they want. Id rather give them SOME type of guidance than nothing at all bc they that person will only make a worse descision than they could have if they were shown options. My food for thought, sorry bro.

[Matt]

I kinda see your point Scotty but imo, this IS a classroom. Its a board. Thats what boards are for, information. Reguardless if you dont like seeing the same questions over and over again, its gonna happen. And people are going to do what they want. Id rather give them SOME type of guidance than nothing at all bc they that person will only make a worse descision than they could have if they were shown options. My food for thought, sorry bro.

Sorry but imo giving some one advice because their going to cycle anyway is a very poor excuse. Tell me, where do you draw the line? If a 14year old asks for cycle advice will you still give that advice?

If the op cycles now then he could cause himself serious long term health issues that can easily be eliminated by waiting a few years. Steroids don't get such a bad name because us old farts are using them its because of the potential damage it can cause to those under the age of 24..

Time and time again we manage to turn these younger people away from aas even after they've insisted their going to cycle anyway, but thats clearly not going to happen here when the op is being spoon fed... No cycle advice at this stage is safe advice period...

[D7M]

Sorry but imo giving some one advice because their going to cycle anyway is a very poor excuse. Tell me, where do you draw the line? If a 14year old asks for cycle advice will you still give that advice?

If the op cycles now then he could cause himself serious long term health issues that can easily be eliminated by waiting a few years. Steroids don't get such a bad name because us old farts are using them its because of the potential damage it can cause to those under the age of 24..

Time and time again we manage to turn these younger people away from aas even after they've insisted their going to cycle anyway, but thats clearly not going to happen here when the op is being spoon fed... No cycle advice at this stage is safe advice period...

Well said mate!

100% agree.

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by Matt
Sorry but imo giving some one advice because their going to cycle anyway is a very poor excuse. Tell me, where do you draw the line? If a 14year old asks for cycle advice will you still give that advice?

If the op cycles now then he could cause himself serious long term health issues that can easily be eliminated by waiting a few years. Steroids don't get such a bad name because us old farts are using them its because of the potential damage it can cause to those under the age of 24..

Time and time again we manage to turn these younger people away from aas even after they've insisted their going to cycle anyway, but thats clearly not going to happen here when the op is being spoon fed... No cycle advice at this stage is safe advice period...

WHat about those young people who we turn away and come back later and are running a cycle of test 200mg a week and deca 600 mg a week and now they are all f'd up.
Or we turn away and never learn how important PCT is and they don't recover from their cycle and end up on trt when they are 25.

Its a fine line and I applaud all of you who fight hard to turn the youngsters away. But there is a strong argument on both sides.

[Matt]

WHat about those young people who we turn away and come back later and are running a cycle of test 200mg a week and deca 600 mg a week and now they are all f'd up.
Or we turn away and never learn how important PCT is and they don't recover from their cycle and end up on trt when they are 25.

Its a fine line and I applaud all of you who fight hard to turn the youngsters away. But there is a strong argument on both sides.

Well first of all theres absolutely nothing wrong with 200mgs of test and 600mgs of deca, perfectly good cycle.

If that person ends up causing them self serious harm, then they can never come back later and say they got their advice from here. They can only ever say that the guy's at ar did tell not to cycle and that is why we try to promote this board as being safe...

[vettewreck]

Tell me, where do you draw the line? If a 14year old asks for cycle advice will you still give that advice?

Obviously not. However, the line would be when someone has ALREADY cycled. Now clearly that changes again if that persone who had already cycled was 18,19 or even 20. Id say no. But at 21, and has already done a cycle, ill give them SOME type of advice. However I do see your point.