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    need some help with cycle please

    Hey everyone, I am a 44yo male and want to do a first cycle, I have been weightlifting for years, very seriously for 4 years now and have gotten to be the strongest and fastest I have ever been, I am 5'9 and 195lbs with about 10%bf, my bench is 385, deadlift is 485, squat 405, overhead press 200---these are all 95% of max actually --I never truly max out and use a percentage based workout. I have stalled and feel I need a boost.
    The cycle I am going to do is sustanon 300 injected 1-1 1/2cc 2x week for 12 weeks---I am set on this and my questions are these:
    is it ok to cycle clenbuterol with this doing it 2week on 2 week off and if ok how much clen should I take its liquid form and should I take arimidex during my cycle or wait till post cycle to take it---I have heard conflicting things on this.
    Any help or feedback is greatly appreciated thanks

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    if your truely 10%..why clen , just asking. 1cc 2x pw is more than enough for first cycle, some will even say too much.
    a-dex will co nothing in pct to help with natural test production it is used on cycle to control erse. please outline your pct for us as it appears your knowladge in that area is lacking.

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    I need help with pct -- guys have told me to use arimidex thruout cycle and post cycle and guys told me to use only post cycle--everything i have read sais to use clomid post cycle but these guys have not used it and they dont have the estrogen side effects---they use arimidex or nolvadex as their pct and prefer arimidex----I have never uses before and reading a lot but it seems everyone has different opinion---as far as clen again it was recomennded--both as on cycle and after cycle--again 2 different opinions

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    hold off on the cycle and spend time reading and educate yourself dont take amyones word on what and how to cycle,understand the compounds and their specific use. read the pct stickies along with the test beginners cycle, also on the home page read the profiles of all the compounds you mentioned. in the meantime visit the diet section and post your daily diet and lets critique it ,sometimes a simple adjustment in diet and training will break plataue
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    this information is readily available.. as MBMETC has stated... if you took the time to read a bit you would know what arimidex and what clomid does and would know the answer to that question.. More often then not Arimidex is used durring cycle to fight side effects caused by having too much Estrogen in your system. Clomid helps kick start your natural test production.. usually Nolvadex is used with clomid post cycle but you can use either Nolvadex or arimidex post or during cycle depending on your own personal reactions to the steroids ..

    As for your proposed cycle.. I would not recomend doing more than 600mg a week your first cycle.. so keep it at 1cc of sust300 2x a week.. if you do 900mg ?(1.5ml x 2 a week) you will start having more sides than actual benefits.. you can run 900 next cycle if you insist on it but you wilkl always get your best results your first cycle.

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    I appreciate it guys--- first of all my diet--is the paleo diet--i eat organic eggs, chicken, grass fed beef and usually sirloin, ocean caught fish, green veggies, fruit mostly berries and almonds and walnuts, some olive oil---no processed foods whatsoever, no grains, and i eat every 2 1/2 - 3 hours and i eat 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bw and drink water about 80 ounces week--i am on this 90% of diet other 10% is protein shakes and creatine pwder and i also use usp labs modern bcaa drink during workout
    and i have read a lot of posts and some contradict each other and you say dont listen to people but read post which is in effect listening to other people---these guys i talk to do regular cycles and so thats first hand knowledge
    and reading on arimidex --makes sense to take during cycle but again some say use it pct so iu asked, also everything i have read sais use clomid so i asked because the guys i know dont take it--i have read a lot of posts and just looking to make sure by interacting myself is all--i am educating myself on this
    what about the clen --i am thinking to wait till im off the test because i really dont want to take away from the test
    and thanks on the dosage of the sust--i will do 1cc 2x a week because everything i have read sais to inject sust at least 2x a week, and most of those threads rewcommend between 500-1000 a week with most saying 750

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    the use of 2 serms nolvadex and clomid in pct has pretty much become standard, they both are similar in their respect to bind to receptors in the breast tissue to fight off gyno, and both stimulate lh and lsh to restart natural test production however nolvadex does it fasterand with less dose, nolva also has positive effects on lipids ldl hdl. that being said if i had only one avalible to use in pct my choice would be nolvadex.i dont see any benifit to running arimidex in pct as the serms will handle the estrogen.
    finally tell us why you would want to use clen , what are your goals for this cycle

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    goal is to gain 10-20lbs of lean muscle, increase strength and break thru plateus-----i can get nolva and cant get clomid so i will pick that up----i read that clen would control cortisol levels post cycle and that would be helpful plus i figured it would rip me up pretty good also read it helps build muscle

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    you can get clomid from the board sponser AR-R and there are otc corisol blockers that you can use. i do believe marcus likes the clen in pct as well i have no exp in that department so i cant comment. i would like to see you outline a pct which you should be able to do with a little research here. other than that i think you have a good understanding of diet and your goal is obtainable.

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    thanks man

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