hello everyone just want to introduce myself and educate myself a little more...

[david paccione]

hello,i just joined and am kinda nervous.this is the first thread i ever post.just curious as to any input on a dilemna.ok say you want to do a cycle,ok fine you ask around the gym etc,how do you know you are getting legit stuff?ok you can go the independent lab route to test it,thats risky cause you are in possesion of something thats illegal,fine.you can go to an anti aging clinic where all they give you is hgh,what if you dont want it?cool no prob,you go online ang get some,once again how do you know if its legit?back to square one.now you got those source check people that supposedly tell you where the real deal is,how do you know theyre not working for said company.well thats it,im making myself dizzy with this catch 22.im interested in doing a primo and hexarelin cycle any thoughts?please take it easy on me if i did anything wrong like i said im a newbie

[Tigershark]

We need your stats first.
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat %

And getting a source is always a tricky thing. We do not discuss sources here, but once you've been here a while and are in good standing with others you can always send a PM to a vet and they could do a source check as a courtosy. No one has to do a source check for you.
I know what you mean though about the online thing. I learned a very valuable $400 lesson by getting scammed and getting fake gear my first time out.
If you find a source on your own you can do what I did and start using the gear and about six weeks in get your bloodwork done and see if it's legit.
Other then that welcome to the boards and good luck to you. And don't forget to post those stats.

[DBolNoob]

hey bro.

welcome

im still new here and to steroids . ive still yet to start a cycle because research is key to a sucessful one.
all i could advise a fellow new comer is to research LOTS and ask questions if your not to sure about something.
make sure youve actually looked into what your asking about tho, No one is going to spoon feed you information here as its your responsibility to learn / teach yourself

also when it comes to sources ive personally had a hard time finding a ''Good'' source.
everyone does when they are new to this.

i still havent bought any gear but when i do im goin to post pictures of it up in the Pic part of the forum so others can look at it to see if it looks good to go.

as far as finding a source, Just look around ... like everywhere!!! and dont just go for one source because youve heard a few good points about it.
only contemplate using a source when there is lots of good reviews. and PM a willing VET when you have like 100 posts or so to get a source check if your lucky.

hope ive helped

[david paccione]

hey tiger,whats up,thanks for the hospitality,i hope everyone here is as friendly as you.my stats -37 yrs old,200 pds 6foot2 last time i checked i had 8 percent fat thats before i started in with the budweisers,lol.sorry to hear u got scammed,but u probably better off about it,lifes lessons.i dont think i got the balls to try it and see if it works to know if its real or not,lol.thanks alot for your reply and will heed your advice,anything i can help u with please dont hesitate.ive done half a cycle of test and deca that i got from a legit doc out here in brooklyn but he got busted selling to cops it was a big deal out here if you want i can send you the articles on it,u probably already heard cause it was a big deal out here...thanks again bro.

[david paccione]

wassup dbol ,thanks for your response so far everyone has been cool in here hope it stays that way,great advice very much needed,i had a great source but got busted selling to cops out here,can send you article on it if you want.it was a big deal out here in brooklyn.once again thanks talk 2 u soon,if there s anything i can help u with please dont hesitate to ask.

[Ruffiancino]

hey bro.

welcome

im still new here and to steroids . ive still yet to start a cycle because research is key to a sucessful one.
all i could advise a fellow new comer is to research LOTS and ask questions if your not to sure about something.
make sure youve actually looked into what your asking about tho, No one is going to spoon feed you information here as its your responsibility to learn / teach yourself

also when it comes to sources ive personally had a hard time finding a ''Good'' source.
everyone does when they are new to this.

i still havent bought any gear but when i do im goin to post pictures of it up in the Pic part of the forum so others can look at it to see if it looks good to go.

as far as finding a source, Just look around ... like everywhere!!! and dont just go for one source because youve heard a few good points about it.
only contemplate using a source when there is lots of good reviews. and PM a willing VET when you have like 100 posts or so to get a source check if your lucky.

hope ive helped

Totally off topic, but I have to give you a shout out Dbol ......everything I've seen posted from you has been positive, you are listening to the advice of the people around here, and you have been honest and straight forward with your both your preparation, as well as with the things you've done right and the things you've done wrong so far. More importantly, you have been chiming in as a voice of reason to a lot of the youngsters that come in and don't know what they are doing, and don't like some of the feedback that they get from people here. I wish more people had the smarts to get into this lifestyle the way that you are doing. Good job, it's impressive

[Ruffiancino]

David, don't let the frustrations that go along with searching get you down. Hang around this site, and research your ass off. There are so many knowledgable people on here, it blows my mind. As far as worrying about whether or not the stuff you're getting is real, check out these links to get your research started off. Good luck!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o-get-Scammed)

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ou-should-know

[DBolNoob]

Totally off topic, but I have to give you a shout out Dbol......everything I've seen posted from you has been positive, you are listening to the advice of the people around here, and you have been honest and straight forward with your both your preparation, as well as with the things you've done right and the things you've done wrong so far. More importantly, you have been chiming in as a voice of reason to a lot of the youngsters that come in and don't know what they are doing, and don't like some of the feedback that they get from people here. I wish more people had the smarts to get into this lifestyle the way that you are doing. Good job, it's impressive

yeah cheers bro

i just dont want anyone to rush things without research!

research is key to a healthy and sucessful cycle. i havent even done a cycle yet but im aware of research and its importance.

i just dont want to see people damage themselfs by not thinking it through.

[david paccione]

David, don't let the frustrations that go along with searching get you down. Hang around this site, and research your ass off. There are so many knowledgable people on here, it blows my mind. As far as worrying about whether or not the stuff you're getting is real, check out these links to get your research started off. Good luck!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o-get-Scammed)

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ou-should-know

wow,great stuff.i was hesitante to join tghis group but now i see its the best thing i did to educate myself.great to see people are willing to help their fellow bodybuilders.great links ruff,thanx alot.

[david paccione]

ok guys just bear with me im still trying to figure how to post and all.anyway does anyone know anything about a hexarelin and primo depot cycle.any input.it gets a little confusing,theres alot of people using different dosages and how long their cycles are.also i read that you shouldnt do hex for more than 4 weeks at a time because the effects start to wear off?

[DBolNoob]

im not sure about hexarelin and primo as i havent really looked into them. but why do you chose to use them over Test Enthanate and another like dbol ?

is there any reason you would prefer to do hexarelin and primo? just curious.

[Hazard]

I have no personal experiance with hexarelin but I can tell you that primo is probably the most faked steroid out there..... a simple test only cycle would be the best choice IMO.

~Haz~

[david paccione]

im not sure about hexarelin and primo as i havent really looked into them. but why do you chose to use them over Test Enthanate and another like dbol ?

is there any reason you would prefer to do hexarelin and primo? just curious.

well ive done test and deca ,great stuff.both creams and the results were great-downside i got gyno and lost everything real fast when i stopped.i heard hex was better than hgh and primo results stay way longer than anything else with little to no side effects.the gyno is pretty bad though.sorry for the late response my internet wasnt working for a few days out here in brooklyn ..

[david paccione]

I have no personal experiance with hexarelin but I can tell you that primo is probably the most faked steroid out there..... a simple test only cycle would be the best choice IMO.

~Haz~

wasup hazard,thanx for the reply,like i told ruff been there didnt like the after effects,im too pronr to more gyno and would like to keep the results much longer...

[david paccione]

Hexarelin is a synthetic hexaptide which has GH-releasing properties. Hexarelin, administered subcutaneously produces a dose-dependent GH response from the Pituitary.

The advantages of having HGH secreted in larger amounts in the body would be similar to what happens when injectable growth hormone is administered. Effects from GH include increased bone mineral density, increased mitosis and meiosis which leads to more muscle mass, triglyceride hydrolysis which causes prominent fat loss, connective tissue strengthening, and improved skin elasticity.

GH secretion also leads to the liver secreting more IGF-1 (Insulin -Like Growth Factor One), which by itself has a host of effects similar to GH. Users of IGF-1 typically experience increased strength and muscle mass, as well as a very pronounced fat loss.

Therefore, by injecting Hexarelin, the user will experience all of the effects of both Growth Hormone as well as IGF-1. However, since Hexarelin actually stimulates the body to produce more GH, it may be likely that the eventual shutdown of the body’s natural GH production may be avoided, as is seen with injectable GH. For this reason, many athletes use Hexarelin alone, but others have used it after a Growth Hormone or Insulin-Like Growth Factor one cycle, to “jumpstart” their own natural GH and IGF-1 production.
(this is an article that was sposted on ********* .com,thought id share)

[Hazard]

I'm sorry if I missed something but what was your test only cycle like? How long did you run it.... what was the dosage?

I'm just trying to figure out why you lost your gains after the cycle..... and maybe we can figure out a way for you to be able to run it. Aromasin should be more than enough to curb any gyno symptoms..... but if you definately don't want to run it you can always look into Anavar . I don't condone cycles without test but some guys have run Anavar only cycles with some success. It's also less faked IMO and it's relatively within the same price range as primo.....

~Haz~

[david paccione]

I'm sorry if I missed something but what was your test only cycle like? How long did you run it.... what was the dosage?

I'm just trying to figure out why you lost your gains after the cycle..... and maybe we can figure out a way for you to be able to run it. Aromasin should be more than enough to curb any gyno symptoms..... but if you definately don't want to run it you can always look into Anavar . I don't condone cycles without test but some guys have run Anavar only cycles with some success. It's also less faked IMO and it's relatively within the same price range as primo.....

~Haz~

wassup haz,thanx for the info,i just looked into anavar.pretty interesting stuff.although im quite adamante about going the hex and primo route maybe youre right maybe i was running it wrong.as far as the dosage,i will have to get back to you.it wasnt only test ,it was test and deca both in cream form cause i told the doc no needles.although now im not too worried about using needles,i was new to all this before and pretty scared so...believe it or not i never got rid of the gear from like 3yrs ago,lol.will look for it tonite and get back to you.the gyno is pretty bad to the point where even if i wear a wife beater and a tee shirt my nipples are still very noticeable so im very prone to it.just recently ive ben researching and contemplating surgery.its going to happen i just want o research it a little more.i was on it for like 3 or 4 weeks and the gains were REAL impressive,it was obvious i was on gear,but i didnt care who knew cause i was lovin the way i looked.the same speed i gained all the muscle i lost it faster.people thought i had turned junkie,lol.will look more into anavar but im not really looking to cut up,my bodyfat is still pretty low and i can lose weight relatively quick.hex and primo i dont think you have to run anything with it or after based on my research but you guys are the reason im here to educate myself a little more thanx again.will post tomorrow with dosage.quick quest why you dont condone anything without test,just curious cause theres other things besides test that are better,just curious.

[david paccione]

sorry to post so quickly again but is it allright to post quotes from other websites here cause i did it above and the website was concealed...theres some pretty interesting stuff out there i would like to share and get your opinions on.thanx again