Alcohol and AAS Levels

**Considering** · 01-09-2011, 05:17 PM

What effect does consuming a few drinks have on blood test or any other AAS levels while on a long ester cycle? Does consuming alcohol have any effect on the unreleased/inactive AAS still in the muscle from the IM/depot injection?

**MBMETC** · 01-09-2011, 05:33 PM

Other than adding calories that will more likely become fat and all around feeling like crap and probably skip training the next day. Oh and you'll probably make the wrong food choices if you drink to much ( I eat like 10 tacos from taco bell when I drink to much)...I read consuming alcohol has effect on natural test level I don't think that applies to self injected test.

**chicolifter123** · 01-09-2011, 05:36 PM

alcohol causes testosterone to be converted to estrogen in the body. Synthetic testosterone actually converts more easily to estrogen in the body than natural testosterone, so drinking on cycle, amongst other reasons, is definitely not a good idea.

**MACHINE5150** · 01-09-2011, 05:36 PM

i don't know about the test you inject into yourself.. but it will lower natural test production.. a drink here and there is fine, drinking in excess will lead to other side effects as MBMETC stated above.. however drinking too much water can kill you too.. moderation is the key

**Considering** · 01-09-2011, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

Other than adding calories that will more likely become fat and all around feeling like crap and probably skip training the next day. Oh and you'll probably make the wrong food choices if you drink to much ( I eat like 10 tacos from taco bell when I drink to much)...I read consuming alcohol has effect on natural test level I don't think that applies to self injected test.

Bold: That's what I have read in a few places and exactly what I am trying to figure out if it has any direct effect on blood hormone levels now and what will be released later.

**chicolifter123** · 01-09-2011, 05:40 PM

it doesnt just apply to natural test, it applies to all free testosterone in the blood. It will effect the test in your blood at the time, but since alcohol is filtered out of the blood relatively quickly, it will not ruin your entire shot of test is thats what youre worried about

**Considering** · 01-09-2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by chicolifter123

it doesnt just apply to natural test, it applies to all free testosterone in the blood. It will effect the test in your blood at the time, but since alcohol is filtered out of the blood relatively quickly, it will not ruin your entire shot of test is thats what youre worried about

Just about everything I read links drops in test levels caused by alcohol consumption to the an interruption of test production itself. can you please sight a study or scientific article that links alcohol to lowering the level of test already in your blood?

**chicolifter123** · 01-09-2011, 05:59 PM

alcohol increases the activity of aromatase, which is the enzyme responsible for testosterone converting to estrogen. Additionally, it damages your liver, which over time will prevent it from removing excess estrogen.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/759822

http://www.doctorq.ca/Testosterone-F...y-Chapter.html

**MACHINE5150** · 01-09-2011, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by chicolifter123

alcohol increases the activity of aromatase, which is the enzyme responsible for testosterone converting to estrogen. Additionally, it damages your liver, which over time will prevent it from removing excess estrogen.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/759822

http://www.doctorq.ca/Testosterone-F...y-Chapter.html

Intresting articles, however these refer to drinking in excess..

"What if a man wants female breasts?: Then drink too much alcohol, as this speeds up the aromatase enzyme that converts T to estrogen. Alcohol will also damage the liver, so that estrogen is not digested and cleared away so well, which is the livers job."

The way this article was even written discounts it's credibility.. The mear suggestion that alcohol consumption leads to breast development does not explain the reason that my X GF has 32A's and she was an alcoholic

**auslifta** · 01-09-2011, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

Intresting articles, however these refer to drinking in excess..

"What if a man wants female breasts?: Then drink too much alcohol, as this speeds up the aromatase enzyme that converts T to estrogen. Alcohol will also damage the liver, so that estrogen is not digested and cleared away so well, which is the livers job."

The way this article was even written discounts it's credibility.. The mear suggestion that alcohol consumption leads to breast development does not explain the reason that my X GF has 32A's and she was an alcoholic

Your gf didnt have the test to convert to extra estrogen. Alcohol can't be stored as an energy (fat) either. Drinking might have an affect of say 5%, if you want to maximise your gains and lower your risks then don't drink. If you don't give a shiit and want a sub par body drink what ever you want. Its your choice.

**chicolifter123** · 01-09-2011, 06:32 PM

i dont get why this concept is so hard for some people to grasp, maybe its just denial because they really want to drink and be able to get away with it. take two minutes out of your day and just google the subject and you will see what i am talking about. it is a fact that alcohol increase the activity of aromatase, which, as we know, causes testosterone to convert to estrogen, thus proving the need for drugs like arimidex , which is an aromatase inhibitor.

**Considering** · 01-09-2011, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by chicolifter123

alcohol increases the activity of aromatase, which is the enzyme responsible for testosterone converting to estrogen. Additionally, it damages your liver, which over time will prevent it from removing excess estrogen.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/759822

http://www.doctorq.ca/Testosterone-F...y-Chapter.html

Sorry for not being clear: Not talking chronic here. Does having a few drinks on cycle have an acute effect on test or other AAS levels in your blood? Spoke to some guys at the gym today talking about New Years and how alcohol kills test, and I just could not figure out exactly how that could happen if you are on a cycle.

**Considering** · 01-09-2011, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by chicolifter123

i dont get why this concept is so hard for some people to grasp, maybe its just denial because they really want to drink and be able to get away with it. take two minutes out of your day and just google the subject and you will see what i am talking about. it is a fact that alcohol increase the activity of aromatase, which, as we know, causes testosterone to convert to estrogen, thus proving the need for drugs like arimidex, which is an aromatase inhibitor.

So if a pop an adex I cab drink then?

**chicolifter123** · 01-09-2011, 06:37 PM

i guess maybe i cited the wrong articles, but yes it will have some effect on testosterone levels , regardless of how often you drink. if its just a few drinks every once in a while you most likely wont notice a drastic problem, although i have noticed some differences when i drink, and ive been on hrt for almost 2 years, done many cycles, etc.

**chicolifter123** · 01-09-2011, 06:38 PM

im not saying arimidex is made for when you want to drink, im saying its meant to combat aromatase, which happens to be affected by drinking.

**Considering** · 01-09-2011, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by chicolifter123

im not saying arimidex is made for when you want to drink, im saying its meant to combat aromatase, which happens to be affected by drinking.

I know. But you seemed to imply drinking lowers test by increasing its conversion to E. So I am asking if an adex could prevent this?
And don't forget hormones that don't convert, like primo- The question here is does drinking lower blood hormone levels when on cycle or not, and does it have any effect on future release?

**chicolifter123** · 01-09-2011, 07:18 PM

I supposed some adex would help, but if you're just getting drunk one night I dont think it'd be necessary. But yes alcohol will encourage the conversion of testosterone in your blood to estrogen. If your asking if it will affect you later on, the answer is no. Also it's not going to convert all of your test, just a small percentage. Hopefully I'm answering your question here, but having a few drinks will not ruin your shot of test or your whole cycle. I hope I've been of some help.

**Considering** · 01-09-2011, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by chicolifter123

I supposed some adex would help, but if you're just getting drunk one night I dont think it'd be necessary. But yes alcohol will encourage the conversion of testosterone in your blood to estrogen. If your asking if it will affect you later on, the answer is no. Also it's not going to convert all of your test, just a small percentage. Hopefully I'm answering your question here, but having a few drinks will not ruin your shot of test or your whole cycle. I hope I've been of some help.

Yes thanks

**poppz** · 01-09-2011, 07:48 PM

I heard alcohol washes gear out of bloodstream.true or false?

**Ashop** · 01-09-2011, 08:54 PM

It's most importantly an additional stress on the liver that it doesnt need.

**Tigershark** · 01-09-2011, 10:36 PM

Not to mention your liver is already being taxed by processing the AAS through it.

**auslifta** · 01-10-2011, 12:34 AM

Taken from steroid times, sister site

To begin with the obvious you have increased your daily intake of calories and done so with calories that will be burned as acetate; acetate is a toxin which when relied upon by the body burns instead of fat; obviously this alone is bad news bears if you’re trying to keep your body fat low. But it gets worse; much, much worse.
By-Bye HGH:

If your life consist of a fitness pursuit, unless you’ve been living under a rock you understand the importance of HGH. You also understand that it’s at night when you sleep that your body does the brunt of its repair and it is the body’s nighttime release of HGH that is imperative to this process. When alcohol is consumed this creates a problem in natural HGH production reducing the output by as much as 70%. 70%, I don’t know about you but to me this is not small potatoes. Further, it causes us to fall into a lighter sleep pattern, disrupting the REM cycle.

So rest is below satisfactory and HGH production is far below desirable levels; two key components in muscle repair and building. If that’s not bad enough, yet again, it gets worse; much, much worse.

There is one fact that is universally accepted; in order to build and maintain muscle, the more testosterone in your body the greater the results. If you hate muscle then I have great news for you; alcohol consumption decreases your testosterone levels by increasing cortisol flowing in the body directly causing a serious breakdown of your testosterone. Due to the increase in cortisol and its testosterone destroying effect, we then experience an increase in estrogen as well. I know what you’re thinking; sounds great right? No, not so much.
The Nail in the Coffin:

We’ve now enjoyed our hedonistic night of drinking, our HGH and testosterone levels are that of a 194 year old man; are cortisol is through the roof and we have enough estrogen flowing through our system to turn the manly of us into Little Miss Princes. Oh, but we’re not done yet. How many times have you had a few drinks and out of nowhere a trip to Waffle House became the most important venture of your life? Why is this; why do we become so desperate for the most unhealthy of foods after even just a few drinks? It’s simple; alcohol consumption greatly increases insulin in the body, in-turn activating a hypoglycemic state. Are you having fun yet?

Let’s be clear, no one is saying you can’t enjoy a drink or two now and then, especially on New Year’s Eve; that’s up to you but understand the effects. Countless studies have shown that even moderate drinking can slow the body’s performance and throw it out of whack for as long as 72 hours; that’s assuming no more alcohol was taken in during that period of time. So your New Year’s Eve binge does not simply affect you for a few hours; you’re looking at a beat down that has your body internally screaming for nearly half a week. Did I mention alcohol consumption also hinders nutrient absorption and rips away from the body its supply of Vitamins A, B, C, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium and Zinc; did I mention that? Well, now you know and if you still don’t understand how serious the negative effects of alcohol consumption are on your muscular pursuits, do me a favor; please leave my gym because you’re an idiot.

**Considering** · 01-10-2011, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by auslifta

Taken from steroid times, sister site

To begin with the obvious you have increased your daily intake of calories and done so with calories that will be burned as acetate; acetate is a toxin which when relied upon by the body burns instead of fat; obviously this alone is bad news bears if you’re trying to keep your body fat low. But it gets worse; much, much worse.
By-Bye HGH:

If your life consist of a fitness pursuit, unless you’ve been living under a rock you understand the importance of HGH. You also understand that it’s at night when you sleep that your body does the brunt of its repair and it is the body’s nighttime release of HGH that is imperative to this process. When alcohol is consumed this creates a problem in natural HGH production reducing the output by as much as 70%. 70%, I don’t know about you but to me this is not small potatoes. Further, it causes us to fall into a lighter sleep pattern, disrupting the REM cycle.

So rest is below satisfactory and HGH production is far below desirable levels; two key components in muscle repair and building. If that’s not bad enough, yet again, it gets worse; much, much worse.

There is one fact that is universally accepted; in order to build and maintain muscle, the more testosterone in your body the greater the results. If you hate muscle then I have great news for you; alcohol consumption decreases your testosterone levels by increasing cortisol flowing in the body directly causing a serious breakdown of your testosterone. Due to the increase in cortisol and its testosterone destroying effect, we then experience an increase in estrogen as well. I know what you’re thinking; sounds great right? No, not so much.
The Nail in the Coffin:

We’ve now enjoyed our hedonistic night of drinking, our HGH and testosterone levels are that of a 194 year old man; are cortisol is through the roof and we have enough estrogen flowing through our system to turn the manly of us into Little Miss Princes. Oh, but we’re not done yet. How many times have you had a few drinks and out of nowhere a trip to Waffle House became the most important venture of your life? Why is this; why do we become so desperate for the most unhealthy of foods after even just a few drinks? It’s simple; alcohol consumption greatly increases insulin in the body, in-turn activating a hypoglycemic state. Are you having fun yet?

Let’s be clear, no one is saying you can’t enjoy a drink or two now and then, especially on New Year’s Eve; that’s up to you but understand the effects. Countless studies have shown that even moderate drinking can slow the body’s performance and throw it out of whack for as long as 72 hours; that’s assuming no more alcohol was taken in during that period of time. So your New Year’s Eve binge does not simply affect you for a few hours; you’re looking at a beat down that has your body internally screaming for nearly half a week. Did I mention alcohol consumption also hinders nutrient absorption and rips away from the body its supply of Vitamins A, B, C, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium and Zinc; did I mention that? Well, now you know and if you still don’t understand how serious the negative effects of alcohol consumption are on your muscular pursuits, do me a favor; please leave my gym because you’re an idiot.

This post seems to say that alcohol lowers blood T levels.
So do you take a shot of test p after a night of drinking to get your levels back up?

**chuckt12345** · 01-10-2011, 10:32 AM

DUDE it lowers it slightly,, like say your normal daily production is 700ng's,,, after a hard night drinking you may only make 600ng's. Doesnt have much effect on your test levels short term,, you doing a cycle so your prb in teh 2000 to 5000 ng range.

**AlphaMaleDawg** · 01-12-2011, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

Intresting articles, however these refer to drinking in excess..

"What if a man wants female breasts?: Then drink too much alcohol, as this speeds up the aromatase enzyme that converts T to estrogen. Alcohol will also damage the liver, so that estrogen is not digested and cleared away so well, which is the livers job."

The way this article was even written discounts it's credibility.. The mear suggestion that alcohol consumption leads to breast development does not explain the reason that my X GF has 32A's and she was an alcoholic

wait there are people who drink only 1-2 drinks just to enjoy themselves? lame, drinking in excess is where it's at