Coming off steroids sucks ass.

[SomeRandomGuy]

This will be starting week 4 of no steroids after a 20 week cycle. The strength is still there, but I feel like I'm shrinking. Much less stamina. Taking 50 Clomid/40 Nolva per day. Gonna run it for 5 weeks. I can see why people never take time off. But I just can't afford to stay on and risk the side effects of having to take greater and greater doses just to get gains... I've grown more body hair and gotten more acne than I have in my entire life. Blood pressure isn't great. I gotta take a break. And it sucks. And I thought I'd whine about it .

[MBMETC]

I hear ya bro, but urge takes a backseat to common sense

[PK-V]

will be in your shoes in a few weeks finishing up a 15 weeker

I feel you on the whole cruise on 200 a week, im not to far away from just staying **** it you know and going the cruise and blast route

[UKDeviant]

Did you run HCG during cycle or at least towards the end?

I find i recover a hell of a lot faster with it. TBH i have i have researched and found people who say run it twice a week all cycle but i have found it just as effective if i run it every 3 days after last shot of long ester all the way through to the last week and then just judge the rebound and if needed up the nolva for last week or extend for an extra week.

I am sure others will comment but everyones body is different so dont be affraid to try different things. Just remember if you do start to experiance serious side seek proper advice.

Wow at last first post. I have been here for a while but only researched and have always had my answers answered in other threads without asking the question. 1 post down how many before i can PM :-)

[SomeRandomGuy]

I ran HCG 250i.u. 2x/wk throughout. During my 2 waiting weeks I also took HCG and then I took 500i.u. every day for the last week. Now it's just 5 weeks of Clomid/Nolva.

Yeah the whole cruise and blast thing... Sounds a lot like you'll be steroid dependent for life. I mean I could just do 8 on 2 off all year, but I think I'm gonna not. I guess my receptors will get a break and when I get on again they'll be fresh, but yo-yo'ing sure is lame. I'm not a believer in thinking that you keep gains from cycles after quitting. I think you can only keep what your natural test will support, and really you'll go back to whatever you were before.

[muscle_dysmorphia]

1 post down how many before i can PM :-)

49 more.

[rc_p90]

Ran a 12 weeker of Test E for my first cycle. Never again in my life will I run a cycle longer than 8 weeks. I cant even fathom 15-20 weeks on. jesus christ. SHort cycle FTW

[Far from massive]

SomeRandomGuy,

Hang n there if you are at wk 4 you have already done most of the hard work. Just curious if you have ever tried Nolva/Torem for PCT? I read about it on Swiftos thread and decided to try it and found it pretty effective without the shitty sides of the clomid. Maybe next time around check it out.

As long as your baseline test scores are good I see no reason to start TRT ahead of time...However, for me last month I was just passing 2wks into PCT from my second cycle when I got back a copy of some blood work from about 5 years ago that I had been waiting for to try to see what my baseline was so I could gauge recovery during my PCT...well low and behold I had total test of like 220 and free test of 112 ( the doctor back then never even let me know about the values) so since this labwork was from before I had ever done any AAS, I threw in the towel and am on TRT now. I am 55 so I guess its not all that bad but I really did want to stay away from a lifelong commitment as long as I could.


UKDeviant,
You can always go to the lounge and post aways and get you posts in in one night. This will allow you to PM but if the reason for PMing is for source checks it won't do you any good because vets/mods etc are looking for meaningful post to gauge ones experience and personality before they put themselves out on a limb by doing a source check.

[slimshady01]

Ran a 12 weeker of Test E for my first cycle. Never again in my life will I run a cycle longer than 8 weeks. I cant even fathom 15-20 weeks on. jesus christ. SHort cycle FTW

Is this so you recover faster?

[terraj]

Now is when you train harder, you reap the rewards when you earn them.

[Rick1796]

I am doing the research now to do my first full cycle, and the idea of losing everyhting when i come off is disheartenning. I meann i know i won't becasue i have naturally been considerably bigger than i am now. Still that's why i wannt to build leand solid muscle so i can keep as much as possible. I'd like to make it a one time cycle, but i knnow how these things go. . .

p.s. if you'd like to help with my research on my cycle http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...25#post5506925

[rc_p90]

Is this so you recover faster?

Yes, that is exactly my reasoning. The idea of my balls being out of commission for that length of time just does not seem right to me.

[Tough92]

Ran a 12 weeker of Test E for my first cycle. Never again in my life will I run a cycle longer than 8 weeks. I cant even fathom 15-20 weeks on. jesus christ. SHort cycle FTW

Sup misc brah

Why arent longer cycles better to get more gains?Also i read a study saying there were more sides on a 10 week cycle of test then the 12 week

[D7M]

Sup misc brah

Why arent longer cycles better to get more gains?Also i read a study saying there were more sides on a 10 week cycle of test then the 12 week

Mind posting the study?

[cro]

exactly.

I hear ya bro, but urge takes a backseat to common sense

[Tigershark]

I hear ya man. After I finish a cycle I can not wait to go back on.

[bjpennnn]

When you get off cycle things like creatine, hgh whatever you can to help keep your gains will help a lot. I will start creatine when i start pct.

[Tough92]

Mind posting the study?

Tried looking cant find it....But im 100% sure it was either 8 week cycle vs 12 week or 10 vs 12 week,Think test was used and in the study almost all of the users experienced less sides(acne,etc) on the 12 week cycle then the other cycle

[auslifta]

Tried looking cant find it....But im 100% sure it was either 8 week cycle vs 12 week or 10 vs 12 week,Think test was used and in the study almost all of the users experienced less sides(acne,etc) on the 12 week cycle then the other cycle

That does not make sense. I'm calling BS

[Tough92]

shit i might be wrong it might of been 250mg test vs 500mg test total for the week.And the lower test had more sides.I think

damm wish i would of saved the link when i read it

[auslifta]

By the time both cycles are at 8 weeks, how does group A(8weeker) suffer more sides than group B(12 weeker) when they are at excatly the same point?
As for the dosages usually more test equals more sides, also more gains as well.

[Tough92]

Like i posted above i might of been mistaken on that i think it was


1-12-250mg test
1-12500mg

So total 250mg test for the week for group A and 500mg test total for group B and group b had less sides

[SomeRandomGuy]

shit i might be wrong it might of been 250mg test vs 500mg test total for the week.And the lower test had more sides.I think

damm wish i would of saved the link when i read it

Wow, I would LOVE to read this study .

Anyhow, to reiterate, I would like to say again that coming off steroids sucks ASS. I can't wait to get back on . Now if I were smart, I'd do time on=time off. Which would mean I would take 5 months off. What if I only take a month and a half? . I should still have attained recovery of natural test by that time, but is there something to be said for keeping natural test for the same amount of time you had 'unnatural' test ?

[chopzall]

what i think sucks about coming off is that sex is awesome while on feels. and good when off. but i want to be off by week 16 i get to edgy.

[dosXX]

Yes, that is exactly my reasoning. The idea of my balls being out of commission for that length of time just does not seem right to me.

This is the reason why some use HCG during cycle

[SomeRandomGuy]

what i think sucks about coming off is that sex is awesome while on feels. and good when off. but i want to be off by week 16 i get to edgy.

Man sex while on is awesome. You want to have it about every 3 minutes, and you tear it up, so it's great. I will say there is a lot to be said for steroids being awesome.

This is the reason why some use HCG during cycle

I used it throughout my cycle.

Yeah all I can think about is getting back ON. I'll bet I'm not the only one who has had this experience. And I see now why everyone encouraged me to never use. Because you'll never want to quit. And that's the truth. I really don't, it's too fun.

[scobbs]

Ran a 12 weeker of Test E for my first cycle. Never again in my life will I run a cycle longer than 8 weeks. I cant even fathom 15-20 weeks on. jesus christ. SHort cycle FTW

Why is that?