text convo i had with a friend on test prop

**brolic272** · 02-07-2011, 11:54 PM

here's a convo between me and a friend who says he has guided 6 people through their cycles.

me: "i heard test prop has less sides like gyno and bloating"

him: "not true. its a myth...test is test bro. prop just gives you more stable blood levels...if u fuk up a dose with prop u actually have a higher chance of gyno"

is there any truth to this?

**brolic272** · 02-08-2011, 09:29 AM

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**FuzzyPeaches o.O** · 02-08-2011, 10:57 AM

Prop does have less bloat cuz of the short ester but as far as gyno goes test is test. That whole thing about more stable blood levels is a joke, cuz of the short ester you need to pin ed or eod at the minimum where as the longer esters are bi-weekly. If you miss a pin of prop it will just screw with your levels, if you are prone 2 gyno thats just how it is. Missing a pin will not make you MORE prone to gyno that is just non-sense to me.

**yungone501** · 02-08-2011, 11:15 AM

^ i disagree.

If both substance are used as suggested, prop does in fact have more stable blood levels. It has a more rapid peak yes but with a reasonable half life it will sustain nicely and give a much smoother blood level. IMO.

As far as gyno, test is test.

Its to my experience (and many others) to have significantly less bloat on prop.

**brolic272** · 02-08-2011, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by yungone501

^ i disagree.

If both substance are used as suggested, prop does in fact have more stable blood levels. It has a more rapid peak yes but with a reasonable half life it will sustain nicely and give a much smoother blood level. IMO.

As far as gyno, test is test.

Its to my experience (and many others) to have significantly less bloat on prop.

thanks for the advice. im running an 8 week test prop cycle in about a year when im 23 and also wanted to know if i should start HCG at week 3-8 at 2x 250iu ew or start it from the beginning weeks 1-8. i was considering letro because i really do not want gyno but i read that it would be overkill considering my cycle so i'd go with arimidex or aromasin . also, does it really make a difference if i pin the prop eod as opposed to ed? if it would really be a benefit to pin ed then i'll do it.

**yungone501** · 02-08-2011, 02:56 PM

All hcg /pct questions should be asked in the pct section of the forum however, that does sound correct. As far as letro goes, leave that as last resort as some estrogen is beneficial to building muscle...letro elimnates nearly ALL estrogen, bad! Take your ai's only when needed or when signs appear (gyno,bloating).

Prop ED is best, period.

**M302_Imola** · 02-09-2011, 06:45 AM

I agree with your friend as far as prop being more prone to developing gyno, compared to cyp or enth, simply because more prop will be converted to test due to the bioavailability of the short ester. Basically 500mg of prop will convert to more test in your body than 500mg of cyp or enth. As far as stable blood levels, injecting twice per week on enth or cyp would pretty much be the same as injecting EOD with prop.

**brolic272** · 02-09-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by M302_Imola

I agree with your friend as far as prop being more prone to developing gyno, compared to cyp or enth, simply because more prop will be converted to test due to the bioavailability of the short ester. Basically 500mg of prop will convert to more test in your body than 500mg of cyp or enth. As far as stable blood levels, injecting twice per week on enth or cyp would pretty much be the same as injecting EOD with prop.

That's a good point. I'm gonna be pinning ed 50mg prop so that's 350mg a week. Hopefully I don't get gyno. I'm gonna go on a good cut pre cycle so its not as bad if I'm gyno prone.

**Duckhombre** · 02-09-2011, 08:56 AM

Causes less bloat but same gyno? Bioavailability of propionate ?.... Come on guys. We dispelled all these ridiculous myths years ago. The only use for short esters is to have more control over how fast your 'free' levels rise and fall. If you want your levels to rise quickly, and fall quickly use short esters, if you are going to be on for while and hate shooting, use long esters.

A growing number of competitive BB'ers I talk to use long esters even for competition cycles. If you don't want bloat, use an aromatase inhibitor.

**M302_Imola** · 02-10-2011, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Duckhombre

Causes less bloat but same gyno? Bioavailability of propionate ?.... Come on guys. We dispelled all these ridiculous myths years ago. The only use for short esters is to have more control over how fast your 'free' levels rise and fall. If you want your levels to rise quickly, and fall quickly use short esters, if you are going to be on for while and hate shooting, use long esters.

A growing number of competitive BB'ers I talk to use long esters even for competition cycles. If you don't want bloat, use an aromatase inhibitor.

So you're trying to tell me that 500mg of prop and 500mg of enanthate will convert over to the same amount of test in my system (body)? If that's the case I have to disagree. I have personally used 500mg of enanthate and 500mg of prop in separate instances (keep in mind these were the same brand) without an ai and had no signs of gyno on the enanthate and did show signs on the prop. The enanthate was shot twice per week and the prop EOD...so how do you explain this then?

**Bonaparte** · 02-10-2011, 11:49 AM

I basically agree with what he said.
While you aren't going to develop gyno my missing 1 shot of any testosterone , prop will clear your system faster, leaving you androgen depleted and susceptible to gyno faster that a long ester.

**M302_Imola** · 02-11-2011, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

I basically agree with what he said.
While you aren't going to develop gyno my missing 1 shot of any testosterone, prop will clear your system faster, leaving you androgen depleted and susceptible to gyno faster that a long ester.

makes since

**Swifto** · 02-11-2011, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by brolic272

here's a convo between me and a friend who says he has guided 6 people through their cycles.

me: "i heard test prop has less sides like gyno and bloating"

him: "not true. its a myth...test is test bro. prop just gives you more stable blood levels...if u fuk up a dose with prop u actually have a higher chance of gyno"

is there any truth to this?

Test prop causes less of a rise in estrogen and DHT at the same dose, but is more anabolic per 100mg because of the ester weight.

Originally Posted by yungone501

^ i disagree.

If both substance are used as suggested, prop does in fact have more stable blood levels. It has a more rapid peak yes but with a reasonable half life it will sustain nicely and give a much smoother blood level. IMO.

As far as gyno, test is test.

Its to my experience (and many others) to have significantly less bloat on prop.

Test is not Test. From the studies I have seen, the ester can determine the rate of conversion to both estrogen and DHT.

If you want the most stable blood plasma concentrations possible, injecting a long ester ED or EOD is how you do it.

Originally Posted by brolic272

thanks for the advice. im running an 8 week test prop cycle in about a year when im 23 and also wanted to know if i should start HCG at week 3-8 at 2x 250iu ew or start it from the beginning weeks 1-8. i was considering letro because i really do not want gyno but i read that it would be overkill considering my cycle so i'd go with arimidex or aromasin. also, does it really make a difference if i pin the prop eod as opposed to ed? if it would really be a benefit to pin ed then i'll do it.

Letro is overkill.

Aromasin 10mg/ED or EOD is fine.

Start the HCG from week 1 if you have enough, if not week 2-3 is fine.

I use Test Prop EOD and it gives me no more sides/gains, than using it ED. It is, however, best used ED (optimal).

**stevey_6t9** · 02-11-2011, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Test is not Test. From the studies I have seen, the ester can determine the rate of conversion to both estrogen and DHT.

can u post the study bro.

**Swifto** · 02-11-2011, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

can u post the study bro.

All though this is mostly theory, I think the idea's hold merit.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...icle-on-Esters...

I for one, hold far more water on long ester's and find it harder to control both estrogen and acne. Gains in mass are easier with long ester's than short in my experience too at the same dose. Which all co-oberate with Anthony's theory's and the studies shown in the article.

**dec11** · 02-11-2011, 07:53 AM

OP, you are too young for AAS, you might be fooling others by posting stupid senarios to fish for cycle ideas, but not all of us

**JohnnyVegas** · 02-11-2011, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

OP, you are too young for AAS, you might be fooling others by posting stupid senarios to fish for cycle ideas, but not all of us

Dude, I am totally getting all my ducks in a row for a cycle I am doing in three years. I absolutely need to get all the details worked out this weekend though, because I like to plan ahead. Heh.