My new cycle: Opinions?

**Diesel1978** · 02-22-2011, 09:21 AM

6-1 225 32 yrs old, x college athlete, fit but been MUCH fitter and now soft after shoulder injury and getting back in shape, training 10 years, to be 4th cycle and have never tried this one. I would like your opinions and please dont just say its great or it sucks. If you have tweaks to it please advise and why dont just flame cause I dont have time for that please guys and girls. Constructive here.

Week 1-5: 200mg Eq and 200mg TP weekly, 30mg WinTabs per day, 1mg Arimidex daily, 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 5-8: 200mg Eq and 200mg TP weekly, 50mg WinTabs daily, 1mg Armidex daily, 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 8-12: 200mg Eq and 200mg TP weekly, 50mg->30mg WinTabs daily, 1mg Arimidex daily, 20mg Nolvadex daily, Cycle up and down from 25mcg-100mcg over last 3 weeks of T3 stacked with Clenbuterol .

Thanks your constructive comments are welcome.

**lil_herc81** · 02-22-2011, 09:30 AM

I am on 600mg of EQ right now and I am not impressed at all. I fear 200 will be a waste of time altogether. You may ocndiser deca instead. I know a lot of guys will tell you the same. Everything else look decent IMO

**marcus300** · 02-22-2011, 09:37 AM

Thats a horrible cycle,
the eq dose is worthless and not even worth taking,
test p dose isnt worth the shutdown, that dose is a hrt dose not a cycling dose,
why up the dose of the winny between 5-8 is beyond me and you shouldnt be running oral winny for all those weeks IMHO,
A-dex is completely overdose,

I would toss this idea away and start again. Start by reading the education threads and using the search function

**Diesel1978** · 02-22-2011, 02:19 PM

Well ok then Marcus, thanks for the input. I have these compounds and have them available if I need more. Please give me your opinion on a cycle with these compounds if you will. I can go with another kind of test if need be. I am not going to go read miles and miles of forum for 1000 different opinions. You seem to know what you are talking about on here so please help. I totally buy into PCT and the reason for the Adex with the Nolv with the test was to insure absolutely no estrogen increase, no ball shrinkage, no breast tissue increase, and loss off libido. Please I am all ears.

I have experience with 500mg per week for 12 weeks of Eq with no Test with it and thought that this time I should add test. However I want to avoid ANY puffyness and "fatface" look. Hence the ancillaries.

If I know my body responds well to Eq and Winny what would you advise with these compounds. I can assure I am no idiot, just be clear and explain. I work in the esoteric diagnostic industry and know as well or better than docs on how to read and understand my chemistry. I also understand that 200mg per week is mainly for people who have Test diff but really thats a high dose for that because that should be about 200mg every 2 weeks to 10 days of test cyp even given the 5-7 day half life.

Please advise I respect your guidance.

**marcus300** · 02-22-2011, 02:42 PM

I never said you was an idiot and I'm sure your know your field of expertise but from what you have told me you have no idea about steroids /cycles, but you have come to the right place.

First thing eq is a waste of time, its useless at building muscles tissue and even if you was one of the lucky ones who say they respond to it you will need to use at least 800mg + per wk but trust me its useless and doesn't build, its a weak compound and you have to use to much of it to see any kind of results and that's if your a lucky, but if you want a high RBC then its a good addition but when i use steroids i use them to build.

If you plan to take a-dex you want to be taking 0.25mgs every other day and you dont need nolva with it,keep this for pct. Using to much a-dex will wipe to much estrogen out of your body and we need to balance estrogen not wipe it out, we need it to build muslce. Also a-dex wont stop your testicles from shrinking, hcg will but not a-dex. If you want to keep testicular function i would add hcg at 250ius 2 x weekly throughout the cycle.

200mgs per wk of test wont do much, there are studies what are available what will show you will need at least 300mgs to see any kind of muscle tissue increase, so I would go with 400mgs per week of either test e or test p, that's your choice.

If you want to add winny you can at 50mgs daily:

1-12 weeks - 400mgs of test e
8-14 weeks - winny 50mgs daily

Standard pct
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

**Diesel1978** · 02-22-2011, 03:17 PM

Sorry I did not mean to say you called me an idiot. I have read some of your other posts with some of the lesser intelligent guys and gals on here and you can tend to flame. However I understand you are doing it for their own good.

Ok, That seems very very simple. But Ok. Why did you say Test E instead of C or P......Halflife? Also are you saying use the Nolva and Clomid 2 weeks after the last shot of test at 12 weeks? Also, to explain my want to use EQ is because of the vascularity and increased RBC. It seems to help with protein synthesis and the transfer of oxygen for cardio as well as its long halflife it seems to not produce any breast tissue or estrogen side effects. The reason I keep bringing this up is because Estrogen= Fat Face, puffyness, tits, and moodiness. I CANT STAND THE IDEA OF THAT BROTHER! haha But if you think the ancillaries will keep me from those side effects then there may be no need for EQ.....

Thoughts?

**dec11** · 02-22-2011, 03:38 PM

mate, you need to research more, it seems you dont know much about all this

**marcus300** · 02-22-2011, 03:45 PM

I dont flame members, I may tell them the truth regarding their stats and cycling, if they disagree and will only listen to what they want to hear then I will continue to try and persuade them in the right direction but i never flame unless they really piss me off. Sometime I am blunt though but guess that's down to repeating myself thousands of times.

I would go with a long ester like T est E or Cyp, then you can do two injections per wk of 200mgs. The cycle what i posted was:
1-12 weeks - 400mgs of test e
8-14 weeks - winny 50mgs daily

Standard pct
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

Your choice to use eq or not but you would be better oiling a old bike chain with it, it will do more good. On a serious note if you want to try it go ahead but IMHO it isnt worth jack in this cycle, and I wouldn't be concerned about protein synthesis you will be reaping the benefits of that with the compounds your taking.

A-dex 0.25mgs eod should be fine for you, if you start to see estrogen related sides just up the dose and see how you go but I dont think you will see massive amounts of bloat but that is an individual thing.Also eq wouldn't keep these sides at bay anyway only increase them.

**layeazy** · 02-22-2011, 03:51 PM

I dont believe you should be spoon feed mate you should do a little research....

**Bigjerdog** · 02-22-2011, 04:05 PM

Im not real experienced with EQ so I wont comment on that but all the research ive done has said the winny for that lonfg is going to do some damage to the liver. I would keep that portion to under 4 weeks is what ive read.
If you are going to run the clen at the end. You need to get some Keto, or only run it 2 weeks. It will lose its effectiveness after 10-14 days I believe.

Also for your comment about not reading miles and miles of forum... I know it can be a bit overwhelming and some of the information gets diluted because of all the differing opinions but man It is your body and you have a responsibility to yourself and the people you love not to fvck it up. Not flaming you... Just my 2 cents bro. Good luck!

**Diesel1978** · 02-22-2011, 04:09 PM

I wasnt trying to insult you Marcus. I appreciate you.

Well I appreciate all of your opinions. I dont feel I am being spoon fed. I have read more sh*t than I care to and so much of the info out there is contradictory. SO much crapp on the web. I just want some help because I have had good results from my past cycles and they were not what I know things can be. Its good to learn from people who know more. I dont need to engulf my life in understanding every product in the world, i dont want to. If marcus and you guys say what he proposed is good then I am good. If anyone doesnt want to contribute to my direction please just move on and have a pleasant day.

Test E sounds good. I have read all the profiles on this site plus some and have read them from my Mosby and my Lippincott and my endo book. I will use the E with the Winny and the ancillaries that Marcus directed and kick butt! Any other thoughts are welcome. Thanks again!