About finasteride, DHT and steroids for people with MPB Hairloss.

[Redial]

I've been searching with google for weeks and finding info about which steroid is bad for people who are prone to MPB (receding hairline or thinning), just like I am.

There is LOTS of people telling terrible advices around the web, usually those are people that are not prone to MPB theirselves, and they have not even tested the compounds they are talking about.

Just wanted to share my experiences, that things are not so simple as we probably think:


1. HAIRLOSS IS BECAUSE OF DHT, AND DHT ONLY...WRONG!
This is true to some point DHT is bad for hair, but I'm having the fastest hairline receding in last year than I have ever had, and I just got some blood tests done recently. Guess what?

* Test levels where fine, scale 10-30 they were 26.
* DHT Levels, scale 1-12, it was 0,9 and under the scale.

Still, I'm having itchy scalp and very fast thinning and receding going on. So it can happen even without DHT!



2. PROPECIA / Finasteride
I'll tell everybody to stay FAR away from this drug. It's NOT something to fool around with. (Check www.propeciahelp.com and similar sites..)

I used this drug for ~1,5years when I noticed I'm starting to have some receding at the frontal.

It made me very puffy and fatty looking, when I have been very low fat% all my life! It made me look terrible and I lost a good amount of strentgh, and muscle during that time - no matter how hard I worked out and diet was spot on. At the same time, I found out that my test levels were under the healthy limits, because of propecia. (These did come back only after 2 years of discontinuing fin, it takes LONG time)

After that I noticed the bad side effects, penile numbness, weird feelings while peeing etc.. Luckily, these went away after I stopped using 2years ago allready.

At the last, I got this nasty thing called floaters, in my eye. These floaters are hanging there and there is LOTS of them and I'm only 26! They will never go away and they are not nice, floating around when you're trying to look at the computer screen or walking outside on a sunny day. :-/ These are wellknown side effect from propecia, and these are _permanent_, for life.

How about my extremely low DHT levels at the moment? Doctor said that finasteride probably "burned" my ability to produce DHT from test, and that's permanent for life too.

Still having the MPB, so DHT is not the only magic word here you see...? People be careful when you are recommending something like finasteride for beginner cycles, it can cause a permanent, serious damages.



3. "Anavar is easiest on the hairline"

Myth says that Anavar is easy on the hair as it's low androgen and it can't convert to DHT. Yeh right..

I did dbol only cycle, and loong test cycle with dbol without any hair problems.
Then I heard that anavar is a hair safe steroid. Oh nice, let's try that next!

Did a 50mg/d Anavar cycle last year, 8weeks. Lost about an inch on my hairline, and thinned a LOT of my hair all over the head. Scalp was like on fire all the time with Anavar. Worst single thing in my life that happened to my hair and hairline! After this same thing happened with few of my friends which some are not even prone to MPB, I'd say...

NOT HAIRSAFE - DO NOT USE ANAVAR IF YOU ARE PRONE TO MPB!

(And yes, that was lab tested anavar, 100% legit)




5. ANTI-ESTROGENS

Thing that is not spoken too much of. Did you know that a lots of AI's like aromasin , arimidex etc are actually somehow DHT derivated, and pretty androgenic ?

If you google it, you can see that Arimidex and Aromasin are both linked to serious hairloss.

I did Aromasin 12,5mg/d on my test cycle last year, and my hair thinned all over the head pretty badly. This has not happened in earlier test cycles without AI.

So I'd say be careful with these as well!



So what is the hairsafe cycle? If you know, let me know too... I'm gonna try low-dose test cycle without any fin, AI or anything extra - let's see how that goes...

[Flier]

great post!

Doing my first cycle, and hairloss is a concern..

[bjpennnn]

bottom line if you like your hair do not use steroids .

[Flier]

"not"

[Redial]

True... unless you are lucky and youre not prone to MPB. Then you can use pretty much anything.. Like one of my friends ho has used everything for years and in big doses, like tren and winny too - and his hairline is maybe even lower then before...

But I guess if you want to use steroids and still keep your hair, it's best to keep it simple. Just a low dose of test, low dose tbol-only, etc.

IMO, playing with AI's, Finasteride etc is more harm than good. Finasteride in example can cause such a dramatic side effects, and it can ACCELERATE the loss in your frontal hair line for some people. And if you use finasteride, you can't do it for just the cycle time, because it's a long process and you have to be on it for year at least, maybe rest of your life if you want it to keep working.

In the beginning of finasteride use, there is usually a shedding period, and if you do finasteride on a 12week test cycle, you probably just go through that shedding phase while on cycle, and then you quit finasteride and loose all benefits --> At the end you have lost actually more hair than without finasteride.

[tjax03]

I've been searching with google for weeks and finding info about which steroid is bad for people who are prone to MPB (receding hairline or thinning), just like I am.

There is LOTS of people telling terrible advices around the web, usually those are people that are not prone to MPB theirselves, and they have not even tested the compounds they are talking about.

Just wanted to share my experiences, that things are not so simple as we probably think:


1. HAIRLOSS IS BECAUSE OF DHT, AND DHT ONLY.
This is true to some point DHT is bad for hair, but I'm having the fastest hairline receding in last year than I have ever had, and I just got some blood tests done recently. Guess what?

* Test levels where fine, scale 10-30 they were 26.
* DHT Levels, scale 1-12, it was 0,9 and under the scale.

Still, I'm having itchy scalp and very fast thinning and receding going on. So it can happen even without DHT!



2. PROPECIA / Finasteride
I'll tell everybody to stay FAR away from this drug. It's NOT something to fool around with. (Check www.propeciahelp.com and similar sites..)

I used this drug for ~1,5years when I noticed I'm starting to have some receding at the frontal.

It made me very puffy and fatty looking, when I have been very low fat% all my life! It made me look terrible and I lost a good amount of strentgh, and muscle during that time - no matter how hard I worked out and diet was spot on. At the same time, I found out that my test levels were under the healthy limits, because of propecia. (These did come back only after 2 years of discontinuing fin, it takes LONG time)

After that I noticed the bad side effects, penile numbness, weird feelings while peeing etc.. Luckily, these went away after I stopped using 2years ago allready.

At the last, I got this nasty thing called floaters, in my eye. These floaters are hanging there and there is LOTS of them and I'm only 26! They will never go away and they are not nice, floating around when you're trying to look at the computer screen or walking outside on a sunny day. :-/ These are wellknown side effect from propecia, and these are _permanent_, for life.

How about my extremely low DHT levels at the moment? Doctor said that finasteride probably "burned" my ability to produce DHT from test, and that's permanent for life too.

Still having the MPB, so DHT is not the only magic word here you see...? People be careful when you are recommending something like finasteride for beginner cycles, it can cause a permanent, serious damages.



3. "Anavar is easiest on the hairline"

Myth says that Anavar is easy on the hair as it's low androgen and it can't convert to DHT. Yeh right..

I did dbol only cycle, and loong test cycle with dbol without any hair problems.
Then I heard that anavar is a hair safe steroid. Oh nice, let's try that next!

Did a 50mg/d Anavar cycle last year, 8weeks. Lost about an inch on my hairline, and thinned a LOT of my hair all over the head. Scalp was like on fire all the time with Anavar. Worst single thing in my life that happened to my hair and hairline! After this same thing happened with few of my friends which some are not even prone to MPB, I'd say...

NOT HAIRSAFE - DO NOT USE ANAVAR IF YOU ARE PRONE TO MPB!

(And yes, that was lab tested anavar, 100% legit)




5. ANTI-ESTROGENS

Thing that is not spoken too much of. Did you know that a lots of AI's like aromasin , arimidex etc are actually somehow DHT derivated, and pretty androgenic ?

If you google it, you can see that Arimidex and Aromasin are both linked to serious hairloss.

I did Aromasin 12,5mg/d on my test cycle last year, and my hair thinned all over the head pretty badly. This has not happened in earlier test cycles without AI.

So I'd say be careful with these as well!



So what is the hairsafe cycle? If you know, let me know too... I'm gonna try low-dose test cycle without any fin, AI or anything extra - let's see how that goes...

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the structure if arimidex is not steroidal, and thus is nothing close to the structure of DHT. Aromasin is steroidal so you may be correct on that.

[Redial]

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the structure if arimidex is not steroidal, and thus is nothing close to the structure of DHT. Aromasin is steroidal so you may be correct on that.

Sorry about that, I was not sure about that myself either, I just know that Aromasin is, and Aromasin is reported to be pretty bad for hairloss - there is loads of reports when you google it.

Maybe arimidex is better, don't know...? Anybody had hairloss effects on Arimidex..?

That would be great if it is, because I'd like to use some AI myself if I use test, to reduce the bloat - but Aromasin is out of question because the hair thinning effect it had.

[slimshady01]

I'm very prone to hair loss, just ran Var and test and didn't see much change. I use dr lee minox and his nizoral shampoo with other goodies in it.

I will only stick with, test, Eq, deca , tbol and Var.

[awms]

I am on propica and I only take 1/2 a pill or 1/2mg per day...doesnt effect me at all and seems to be working well so far. I think alot of guys take way to much! some dht is healthy but to much causes shity sides like hair loss ect ect.

try 0.5mg or even 0.2mg has been show to be 60-80% as effective as 1mg but it wont give you the nasty sides that 1-5mg will...also of guys use 5mg! way to much imo!

[groundfighter1]

good post, not really any good news...lol.. but good post
I've been on finasteride for about 1.5 years without much for side effects. 2.5(aprox.)mg. per day / stopped my hair loss but much to my dismay, no new hair. i havve recently cut down to about 1 mg. per day. (after reading all the info. on this site) and hopefully will see some improvement. I was starting to (i think) get a few mild side effects so that is also why i decreased my dose.
If you're wondering, I was on 2.5mg. cause i cut a 5mg. pill in half. This is mostly for cost reasons cuase it was cheaper that way. i now cut the 5mg. pill into 4 pieces - not easy by the way...lol
I'll keep everyone updated on results of the lower dose.

[Redial]

I'm very prone to hair loss, just ran Var and test and didn't see much change. I use dr lee minox and his nizoral shampoo with other goodies in it.

I will only stick with, test, Eq, deca, tbol and Var.

Have you had success with test without finasteride? Just nizoral?

Var seems to be very individual related thing, lots of people call it hair safe but for me it was worse thing ever, it just didn't accelerate my MPB, it made my hair very THIN all over the head, I have always had a hair that is so thick that at the barbershop they cursed it as it's hard to cut, but after that anavar cycle it's very soft and thin all over. :/

About propecia, yes smaller dose is always better - but in some studies they say that even a single dose 0,25mg's of finasteride will shut down the DHT levels pretty massively for several days. Actually lots of people say that it's not so dose dependent, the effect is very strong even with 0,25mg, and there is no more benefits running 1 or even 5mg's, what comes to hairloss. It's a different thing if you have some big problem with prostate etc...

Actually Propecia didn't do much to my hair when I used it, it might helped a little but nothing too big I think. And now when I'm receding badly, with almost zero natural DHT levels, it just shows that DHT is not the only matter in hairloss - it's mostly in genetics I think and test/estrogen effect too, not just DHT.

But I'm just warning people, because eventhough I got away with very minor side effects (just these permanent floaters going around in my eyes, which is very annoying and scary too!), I still truly wish I wouldn't have touched that drug ever. It was bad news to my body...

And as you see, my body changed permanently, I don't have DHT any more and it's allready over 2years since I stopped propecia


Keep an eye for following symptoms while you are using it, if bad symptoms occur they might just be permanent if you're not lucky. These are just few of the tens of symptoms propecia can cause.
- Eye floaters
- Black circles around eyes and in the outer corner of eye (I still have these, they didn't go away..looks like I've been sleeping too little every night)
- Penis twisting to left (this actually started to happen while on propecia, luckily that fixed itself when stopped!)
- Numbness in penis
- Feeling like you're dropping drops after peeing (sick! this went away too. Prostate related thing, prostate actually NEEDS some dht to work properly)
- Puffy/fatty look

[Redial]

Btw the weirdest thing to mix up this case even more... first cycle I did years ago was dbol 40mg/d for over 9weeks (very long!) and had no hairloss. Dbol is said to be one of the worst for hair, but for me it was not, Anavar was! Weird, ha? Of course I was few years younger back then but still..

And these things doesn't make any sense in any way if you think it. Dbol is bad for hair for many, and it's not as androgenic as test, and it's used in WAY smaller doses to be effective. Wt*..?

[Bonaparte]

The best thing to do, IMO, is to use a low dose of test (no more than 300mg/week) and stack it with a mild anabolic like Nandrolone , EQ, Primo, Var, or Tbol. On cycle I use an anti-androgen shampoo that I make from Nizoral 2%, Azelaic acid, and Spironolactone.

[DKZ]

the use of finasteride or dutasteride is the 'last role of the dice' in my opinion. Turning to these treatments should only be considered when the use of topicals such as nizoral and spiro have failed

[Redial]

Redial, if you had burning itching and inflammation that was as much the cause of your hair loss as anything. At the first sign of itching you need to start using Nizoral and get your scalp back to a "calm" state. Doing this plays a HUGE role in keeping your hair on your head during a cycle. It usually takes a few times, and you need to let it soak for the duration of your shower, but eventually the itch will stop and so will the hair loss.

Use products like "S5 Cream" (topical spironolactone) and other topical antiandrogens (Revivogen, maybe a topical finasteride, etc) to help block DHT receptor sites locally, thereby protecting your hair from the increased serum DHT levels with the introduction of all that test.

You should take steps to protect and maintain your hair on a cycle. And I'd suggest continuing that regimen 2-5 months post cycle. Hair thinning is typically a reaction to something you did 1-5 months prior. There's a delayed response most times. So keep the protection going for a bit.

Thanks for tips, yes I know that inflammation and hairloss go hands to hand, and I guess the DHT effect also causes some kind of inflammation itself, it's part of the process.

I actually have used NIzoral alot in last few years, because my scalp feels itchy and gets dry very easily even without any cycles going on.. And it gets of course worse while on. Nizoral helps pretty good, and some moisturizing conditioners etc. (Basic body moisture lotion is btw very good for hairwash too, try it and you might surprise!)

I have also tried Minoxidil for over 6 months at one point, that was not good thing. It made my original hair drop, and it grew some very soft and thin "baby hair" to replace, but that baby hair never grew strong or long. After I dropped Rogaine, those baby hairs went off too. So basically, I think rogaine just "changes" your original hair to "baby hair" and that's it, not good... It might be different thing in the crown, I used it for hairline.

I have S5 Cream too actually, I tried that for few months to my hairline but I can't say if it did anything, or if it accelerated the receding, it's very hard to say... So I haven't used it since then, I'm affraid if it actually does more bad then good..? Don't know.. But that is pretty difficult to use for all hair, everyday.

[Redial]

By the way, those of you who have receding hairline and MPB, has inflammation and itchiness always been part of the process for you, or am I the only one?

Because I can control the itchiness with Nizoral pretty easily while on cycle - I just don't know if this is the same as controlling the hairloss..? I guess the MPB can still get angry even if the scalp feels fine...?

And then again, its weird that on some websites people write that Nizoral actually thinned their hair...! What's up with that?

I'm planning an low dose test cycle at the moment (I don't like tbol because of digestion problems etc, eventough it's easy on the hair), like Test E. 200mg every 4days (~375mg/w) which I guess should be fine? Or maybe even every 5days, which is ~280mg/w, that might be too low for any gains I think, as I'm not a first-timer anymore..


I guess I could go the skin doctor and ask for some prescription cortisone lotions too, that helps with itchy scalp very efectively. Any experience with these?

[Redial]

The best thing to do, IMO, is to use a low dose of test (no more than 300mg/week) and stack it with a mild anabolic like Nandrolone, EQ, Primo, Var, or Tbol.

This is good advice, but I'd be careful with that Anavar still, according to my experience and few of my friends. It CAN be very harsh on your hair, at some persons.

Primobolan however, is listed on one of the most harsh compounds to your hair all over in web, I guess that's not good idea for anyone with MPB?

[Bonaparte]

This is good advice, but I'd be careful with that Anavar still, according to my experience and few of my friends. It CAN be very harsh on your hair, at some persons.

Primobolan however, is listed on one of the most harsh compounds to your hair all over in web, I guess that's not good idea for anyone with MPB?

No way, no how.
IMO some guys just think that because they got fake stuff that was actually masteron or something.
It has a very mild androgenic component and I don't notice any androgenic side effects on it (and I brew my own).

[Redial]

No way, no how.
IMO some guys just think that because they got fake stuff that was actually masteron or something.
It has a very mild androgenic component and I don't notice any androgenic side effects on it (and I brew my own).

This is interesting.. even the primobolan profile sites all list hairloss for both, men and women. It's said to be just like winny, low androgenic but loads of hairloss.

Are you having an ongoing MPB yourself? Because if you don't, that might be the reason why primo does no harm to you.

I'm interested about Primo myself too, but I haven't touched it because of the hairloss comments allover the web.. just put it in the google, Primo + Hairloss..

[Flier]

Winstrol doesn't convert to dihydrotestosterone, but regardless of what anyone else says, when it comes to synthetic steroids , converting to dihydrotestosterone has absolutely nothing to do with hair loss. All androgens at sufficient doses will speed male-pattern baldness if you have the genetics for it. It's that simple, and there's no exception.

Steroids fall into three categories here:

1. More potent in the scalp than in muscle — bad news.

2. Equally potent in the scalp as in muscle — less of a problem.

3. Less potent in the scalp than in muscle — good.

testosterone , if finasteride (Proscar or Propecia, 1 mg/day) isn't used, falls into the first category. Most synthetics fall into the second category, as does the testosterone/finasteride stack. nandrolone falls into the third, desirable category with regard to hair loss.

So, if it's important to you to delay your apparently inevitable hair loss as long as possible, the best choice of steroid is nandrolone, at moderate doses such as 200 mg. You'd get more results at 400 mg, but it would be somewhat harder on the hair than the lower dose. winstrol isn't a terrible choice for the hair, but will speed hair loss, as will all of the synthetics or testosterone.

[Bonaparte]

This is interesting.. even the primobolan profile sites all list hairloss for both, men and women. It's said to be just like winny, low androgenic but loads of hairloss.

Are you having an ongoing MPB yourself? Because if you don't, that might be the reason why primo does no harm to you.

I'm interested about Primo myself too, but I haven't touched it because of the hairloss comments allover the web.. just put it in the google, Primo + Hairloss..

I don't know if it's actually MPB (since my hairline isn't receding much), but my hair has been thinning for a few years. I took Winstrol at 50mg/day for a month and noticed a distinct change to my hairline. Not the case with 600mg/week of Primo. And I was using the same anti-androgen shampoo.

[Redial]

For the record - 6 months is insufficient time for Rogaine to truly work. Treatments that work for hair loss take a minimum of 1 year to really get rolling (even though the Rogaine insert says 90 days), and continue to improve typically to the 2 year mark.

To be accurate, I have used rogaine in two or more different periods in the past, and the longest was around a year. Then I quitted, then used 6 months more - problem is that it first sheds the hair, but it never grows up a actual HAIR; only a short, thin baby hair that is useless. At my case, it just "replaced" the original hair with that baby hair, and in the end left that area with no hair at all. That's why I stopped it..

Maybe it was because I used it to my hairline, and it's ment to be used in the crown mostly, right? Or has anybody actually had any real long term success with rogaine in frontal hairline...? I mean some real hair, not just baby hair?

Deca would be great for hair I've heard too, but that is impossible to run on its own - so test must be added.

Well, nandorolone is not an option to me anyway, I've tried both Deca and NPP few times, every time it had to be stopped after few small shots, just 50mg's of Deca makes my heartbeat raise like a crazy and bloodpressure to raise so I can't even work out. That's funny, not that kind of problem with any other roid I have tested, not even with clenbuterol or high-dose dbol . That just doesn't suit to me

6 months is just the ramping up period. Rogaine has an initial shedding period associated with it too, so you basically got the shed going, then quit ... Definitely would have seen much better results if you'd stuck with it 12 months.

Also the Rogaine Foam is *SIGNIFICANTLY* better at growing hair than the liquid form was. Liquid topped out at 64% success rate whereas the foam hit 85%. Better than Finasteride ...

Yes the androgen activity in scalp tissue definitely increases irritation, itching, and inflammation. In fact you can pretty much mark by the day if you're going to be suffering hair loss based on whether or not you've got any itch that day. So controlling the itch is *insanely* important for stopping hair loss. No itch almost always means no hair loss. .. (almost always) [/QUOTE]

[groundfighter1]

I've thought about trying the Nizoral shampoo? Is it by Rx only?

also, I've recently started using Minoxidil (rogaine) and now I notice that my scalp has started itching and it never did that before? will this be a negative effect?

reguarding the use of nandrolone , did I read on here somewhere NOT to take finasteride while using it? as to not effect or block it's action in the body?
thanks for the info...

[Redial]

reguarding the use of nandrolone , did I read on here somewhere NOT to take finasteride while using it? as to not effect or block it's action in the body?
thanks for the info...

Yep, no finasteride with Nandrolone, it makes it worse to hair and causes other problems.

I would not suggest finasteride just for an "on-cycle" medication at all, if you start finasteride, you should do it for years or don't do it at all.

[groundfighter1]

I have been on finasteride for about 1 1/2 years, I was on approx. 2.5 mg per day (5mg. pill cut in half) and have recently switched to approx. 1.25mg per day (5mg. pill cutx4) and hopefully will have the same results on the hairloss with less or no sides.
Finasteride stopped my hair from falling out (used to see it on the pillow and would lightly shed in my hands if they were wet when I touched my hair), can't say that I have any more hair but it's about the same?
any thoughts on the Nizoral shampoo? or if itchy scalp after using rogaine is an issue?

[groundfighter1]

Bump......

[Walnutz]

Topical spiro and dutasteride has kept my hair and made it thicker.

[Redial]

Just visited specialist doctor today and asked him about these things too. He diagnosed I have "seborrea" in my scalp, which is a condition almost every man has but at some individuals it just get's bad easier, and that causes the head to start itching and flaking etc. However, this has nothing to do with my ongoing MPB.

Doctor said:
- Mild cortisone cream / lotion (prescription stuff) used overnight, whenever it get's bad, this removes the itchyness very effectively and calms the scalp. Also helps to protect from excess hairloss.
- Nizoral shampoo 2-3x a week
- Basic moisturiser to the scalp can be used 2-3x a week overnight if it feels dry

About the MPB he said, that the seborrea or any other "itchy" condition in scalp does not cause permanent hairloss, and that way itchyness does not always mean hairloss, at least an MPB hairloss I mean.
Hair can get thinner, but it's just temporary and hair grows always back when the condition is taken care of.

Doctor said only thing to combat MPB (IF it's because of DHT), is really finasteride. But it comes with pretty nasty sides for some, for some it suits nicely.

However, he also said that DHT is NOT the only reason for hairloss, it's just the reason with someone who has HIGH DHT LEVELS by nature. If you don't, then propecia won't help you either.
I'm havin now almost zero DHT levels and still I have pretty aggressive MPB, so propecia is no use for me. I wish I would have known this before, I would have skipped the whole propecia experiment...

About revivogen,minoxidil,etc., this hair specialist doctor just commented that "it's fine if you want to believe in something" :P

[groundfighter1]

lol, thanks...good info:
Just saw a study that scientists have discovered that it is faulty or missing "worker cells" not the deteriation of the actual stem cells that cause MPB. Apparently that is good news?
The same scientists/Doctors stated that they should have a cure for MPB in less than 10 years. That seems to = good news.... and also = alot of finasteride, nizoral and such till then.... ha ha ha

[dsldsl1980]

Just to add to the results here, I started finasteride about 8 months ago along with rogain and have also been using Nioxin shampoo. It's so hard to judge how well it is working but I feel like my hair is thicker, easier to style, and looks better. I am on my second cycle now and they were both Dbol and test e. While on finasteride I did not notice any significant hairloss. I will continue with both rogain and finasteride as I keep cycling and hope I don't thin any more. If I am confident that I will not lose any more hair, may consider a transplant.

[rcks]

Your first point is incorrect.

Highly androgenic steroids will bind to hair folliciles and cause hair loss. i.e. Trenbolone

[Redial]

Your first point is incorrect.

Highly androgenic steroids will bind to hair folliciles and cause hair loss. i.e. Trenbolone

Your first point is incorrect.

Highly androgenic steroids will bind to hair folliciles and cause hair loss. i.e. Trenbolone

If you read it more carefully, you'll notice that this was actually the point. People say that it's because DHT only, I stated that it's wrong and I'm having MPB at the moment even without minimal DHT amount in my body.

Yes and also I think some DHT derived steroids will bind to hair follicles too, even if they are mostly anabolic . Like anavar , which had terrible effect on my hair!

[Redial]

Btw, forgot to mention one thing.

Doctor said, that very effective way to reduce scalp itch (and seborrea) is tetralysal and similar antibiotics that are used for acne treatment! He actually wrote me one 4week rx of those. In difficult cases, accutan is used too he said! But there is the side effect that accutan also causes temporary hairloss (not permanent) and that is not nice.

But I got this idea, maybe I shuold take that tetralysin antibiotic (4weeks) in the end or during pct at my next test cycle, to prevent scalp itch (+hairloss?) and maybe it would cure the "PCT Bacne" at the same time, as acne hits my back very badly at the end of test cycle and during pct, everytime.

Any thougths? Could that kind of antibiotics hinder the gains..?

[Steroidman99]

People, don't take this thread too seriously. From time to time, you will find similar stories in the internet, but you must take them with a grain of salt. This guy is obviously a hypochondriac nutcase spitting anger to all directions out of frustration. It is quite common that in such a state of mind, people purposefully distort facts, or even cease to perceive the difference between facts and illusions. But he chose a wrong forum, because these inmates have their own private forum called PropeciaHelp.

I have been on finasteride for 6 weeks, but it changed nothing in my feelings, as I expected. It is a very mild drug that doesn't influence your hormonal levels in a fundamental way (except lowering DHT, of course). Anti-estrogens cause a much bigger mess in your body, but I also don't feel any changes when taking it.

And as for Anavar , it is such a ridiculously mild steroid that you won't feel that you take something. In fact, my chronical problems with seborrhea (a hyperandrogenic symptom) IMPROVED when on 60-65 mg Anavar/day. When Anavar suppresses your endogenous testosterone , the androgenic activity in your body is namely the same or even lower than normally. Nandrolone works a similar way and together with Anavar, they are the safest steroids on hair. But considering the high price of Anavar, counterfeiting is quite common. You can never be sure, what you bought, until you have it directly from a laboratory.

[Steroidman99]

good post, not really any good news...lol.. but good post
I've been on finasteride for about 1.5 years without much for side effects. 2.5(aprox.)mg. per day / stopped my hair loss but much to my dismay, no new hair. i havve recently cut down to about 1 mg. per day. (after reading all the info. on this site) and hopefully will see some improvement. I was starting to (i think) get a few mild side effects so that is also why i decreased my dose.
If you're wondering, I was on 2.5mg. cause i cut a 5mg. pill in half. This is mostly for cost reasons cuase it was cheaper that way. i now cut the 5mg. pill into 4 pieces - not easy by the way...lol
I'll keep everyone updated on results of the lower dose.

But beware! After you increase the dosage up to 2.5 mg/day, a big red pimple will start to grow on your nose. It can reach a volume of 1 cubic meter. After you jump on 5 mg/day, your penis will shrink to such a degree that you will have a hard time to find it. And your sperm will get a blue color. After you jump on 10 mg/day, you will grow breasts of DD-size, and your sexual organs will start to transform into a vagina! Look at PropeciaHelp.com! There are many stories of this sort!

[qwertyl]

People, don't take this thread too seriously. From time to time, you will find similar stories in the internet, but you must take them with a grain of salt. This guy is obviously a hypochondriac nutcase spitting anger to all directions out of frustration. It is quite common that in such a state of mind, people purposefully distort facts, or even cease to perceive the difference between facts and illusions. But he chose a wrong forum, because these inmates have their own private forum called PropeciaHelp.

I have been on finasteride for 6 weeks, but it changed nothing in my feelings, as I expected. It is a very mild drug that doesn't influence your hormonal levels in a fundamental way (except lowering DHT, of course). Anti-estrogens cause a much bigger mess in your body, but I also don't feel any changes when taking it.

And as for Anavar, it is such a ridiculously mild steroid that you won't feel that you take something. In fact, my chronical problems with seborrhea (a hyperandrogenic symptom) IMPROVED when on 60-65 mg Anavar/day. When Anavar suppresses your endogenous testosterone, the androgenic activity in your body is namely the same or even lower than normally. Nandrolone works a similar way and together with Anavar, they are the safest steroids on hair. But considering the high price of Anavar, counterfeiting is quite common. You can never be sure, what you bought, until you have it directly from a laboratory.

I was hoping to find a post like yours steroidman. Just because Op had major issues with finasteride doesn't mean everyone will.

I belong to a handful of hairloss forums/hairtransplant forums and almost everyone (on those forums) use it with sucess.
Sure some few report libido problems in the beginning but that usually passes within short time.