I Lied To Everyone On This Forum... (a story of a teenage steroid user)

[fender99]

Ok so here goes...

To anyone who's been around here for a while, I joined this forum in 2006 as you can clearly see. I'm not sure what ive said in the past (mainly because some old posts i made that contained lies either no longer exist, or i just cant find them) but at the time, i was 18. My reason for being here was to learn about AAS, as is most everyone else's. I had every intention of cycling, and by February of 2007, i started my first cycle.

Lets rewind a few years so I can give you some history about me: I started training seriously when i was 16. and when i say "training seriously" that means my head was 100% in it, and i was learning proper form, scheduling, and overall technique. My diet was definitely not good, probably less than 2500 calories a day, not to mention i was in HIGH SCHOOL. So other than lunch time, there were 4 and 5 hour gaps between consuming any food what so ever.
Anyway, back to my first cycle at the ripe old age of 18... I had been consistently gaining strength and weight since i first started, but saw others around me who i knew were using AAS, got jealous, and wanted their physique, and wanted it RIGHT THEN. (even though most of these people had been in the gym for 10+ solid years, and were ranging in age from in their late 20's to early 40's) So, I decided to plan and execute my first cycle. by this time, i had read enough to know that my diet was just as important as my training in the gym, i had worked on eating properly, and eating enough, which is truly a second job (and can be quite expensive.) I succeeded in purchasing enough Test C to run 500 mg/wk for 10 weeks, as well as a 5000 IU hcg kit, clomid, nolva, and letrozole . I was set to start, and in Febuary of 2007, at 18 and a half years old I injected 1cc in my right glute. Over the next 10 weeks my weight went from around 185 to a finishing weight of 201. I completed my PCT as planned, my balls came back to life, as they should, and i was able to effectively control any estrogenic side effects and rebound post pct. About two months later, my weight settled out to an exact 195, and my body fat had dropped to just below 10%. I thought i had died and gone to heaven, a whole 10 lbs of decent gains in 10 weeks? I struggled to continue to eat what i had while on cycle, and over the next six months didn't gain a single pound. I thought, what the hell, and back on cycle i went in August. This time I ran 400 mg/wk of Test E for 12 weeks, and from weeks 9-13 used 350 mg/wk of Trenbolone Acetate. This time my weight skyrocketed to 217, my body fat was low, between 9 and 10%. I felt like a monster. I was bench pressing more than i had ever dreamed, and dead lifting like i was a veteran. I ran my PCT successfully once again, including HCG, Clomid, Stane, and Caber. My balls came back again, my dick was hard as a rock every morning and i felt great. Fast forward 3 months to early 2008. Still in the gym, and trying to maintain my diet as best i can to continue to keep my gains, my weight leveled off to around 208, plus or minus a few pounds depending on my diet that week. My body fat had climed some too, i was around 11% now. My strength dropped some post cycle as expected, but was still leaps and bounds above what it was pre-cycle. Overall, i thought AAS was the answer. I was 19, 208, 2 cycles deep, i had girls everywhere, i felt confident, fit and had no intentions of stopping. That is until my joints could no longer handle the massive increase in my lifts. I blew my shoulder out in March of 2008 with 385 lbs. over my head on the flat bench. My spotter (thank God i had one) was able to keep the weight off me while i rolled off the bench and writhed on the floor in excruciating pain... in the middle of the gym, with all those dudes i had admired watching me, knowing full well what i had been doing, and not acting one bit surprised. I had surgery a week later and was out of the gym for 5 months. What an ass hole i am, i thought as i sat at home. I had read countless posts from kids wanting advice on their first cycle, and ignored countless responses from Vets saying "focus on your diet and training, youre not ready for AAS... youre too young... you need to build a good base first... etc." Bullshit i thought. I had read posts from people who im sure are no longer around here saying, "all these guys saying not to juice were all juicing when they were young too, and we all know if you have your mind set on it, no advice is going to stop you." I NOW KNOW WHY THESE GUYS GIVE THE ADVICE THEY GIVE. THE VETS AND MODERATORS AROUND HERE AREN'T SOME OLD NAY SAYERS TRYING TO KEEP THE AAS WORLD EXCLUSIVE TO THEMSELVES, AND THEY AREN'T TRYING TO KEEP YOU FROM REACHING YOUR GOALS. EVEN IF THEY WERE GEARED UP AT 18 LIKE I WAS, THERE'S A REASON WHY THEIR ADVISE IS TO NOT DO IT. IF THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS WITH DOING IT BEFORE YOU'RE READY AND WHEN YOURE YOUNG, THOSE WHO HAVE DONE IT WOULDN'T WASTE THEIR TIME TO STOP YOU. EXPERIENCE IS WISDOM! SO LISTEN TO THOSE WHO HAVE A GOOD DEAL OF BOTH, AND FORGET ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!!!

Now to give an update on my current situation to put all this into perspective.
after the surgery, therapy, and full recovery, I had lost quite a bit of weight, and gained quite a bit of body fat to boot. I tried to keep eating right, but with minimal training during recovery, there was no keeping muscle mass i hadn't truly earned. Thats not to say i didnt work hard to get where i was, i trained and ate my ass off, but in my mind, i had cheated myself. I finally gave in because i was gaining too much body fat and dropped my caloric intake. Once i was training again it was slow... I was weak, and undedicated. over the next year, i slowly dwindled down to basically where i had started, with a little bit more muscle mass, probably due to a few more years of my body maturing more than anything. Im now back in the gym with a vengeance!! My diet is improving every week, as are my lifts. Im realizing now, at 22, almost 23, that i never needed to use AAS. When im dieting and training right, my body is always growing. Not to mention, more proportionately than when i was using. AND YOURS WILL TOO. YOU ARE NOT THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT SAYS "PROPER DIET+PROPER LIFTING=MORE LEAN MUSCLE MASS" everyones natural potential is different, but very few peoples natural potential is what anyone would consider "small" or "weak"

My REAL current stats are as follows:

22 yrs. old
6'3"
190 lbs. skinny
11% BF
training for six years, with a total of a year break during that period.

I wrote all this to say, steroids will make you grow, but unless you've prepared your body for the jump, it'll undoubtedly cause you some kind of problem, whether it be the inability to have sex for a long period of time post use, long term tendon, ligament and overall joint issues and discomfort. Or if youre lucky, youll end up like me... admitting your fault, babying your shoulder, and being back where you were before u cycled with nothing to show for it except excess body hair and the desire to be big again... this time the RIGHT way.

Sorry to all those who gave me good advise under false pretenses. I lied about my age and stats to get advice about AAS i wouldn't have gotten otherwise, and for good reason. This is as much a confession of a long time untruth as it is a warning for others. Thanks to all those who read my sob story, and if this diverts even one person from using AAS before their body is ready for it, i've not wasted my time. Now I can ask for advise based on my TRUE stats and situation, which will benefit me a MILLION times more than advise i would receive based on fantasy land, and without fear of someone reading my old posts and calling bullshit.
;-)

Good luck and train hard.

[marcus300]

Good honest post,

We have alot of kids here using steroids who have no foundation and we have many who lie about their age, will they listen to this thread?? doubt it but its a good read and thanks for posting.

[PistolStarta]

385, lucky you arent dead. Hope you get back to where you like and congrats on the realization. I made the mistake as well at 22.

[Hazard]

I've said it a thousand times and i'll say it again..... There is no conspiracy to keep the younger members small. It does me no harm if an 18y/o kid runs a cycle..... I personally could give a shit less if his test levels drop..... if he destroys his joints..... or if he has gyno issues. I don't give a good rats ass if he's now running 1000mg's of test on his 3rd cycle and he's still 185lbs.....

I advise people the way that I see fit..... if I don't think they are ready - i'll say that. If they choose to cycle anyways...... no harm no foul to me. I wont be losing sleep at night when you are worried sick about the side effects you're having.

~Haz~

[JohnnyVegas]

Great post...and welcome back.

[Matt]

This is the type of post all the youngsters logging on here need to read with care....

[PK-V]

Your ego blew out your shoulder not the gear

I started when I was a teen too and I still have all my joints in top condition

I guess the moral of the story is don't train with weights you can't control

especially when using gear

[Tigershark]

Good post. Hope the younger readers actually read it.

[sixoner]

bump for the young bucks

[taboo-09]

good post, and bump to hazard

[Tough92]

Your ego blew out your shoulder not the gear

I started when I was a teen too and I still have all my joints in top condition

I guess the moral of the story is don't train with weights you can't control

especially when using gear

Good post OP but this is what I'm thinking,Can't any one on aas have joint problems or tear a tendon?Any ways to prevent this from happening?besides no being an idiot n throwing weight around without proper form?not sayin u did that OP just looking for an answer besides that lol

[bodybuilder]

Great post bro.

[Dianabolicus]

I understand from a hormonal perspective regarding age and steroid use ... But this could have happened to you at 25? 30? I would never want to be in the situation you are in now, but I'm confused to how you are drawing that age was the main factor in your situation, not the repeated cycling, with rapid gains, that f***'d up your body...

Either way, sobering story, I hope you get thick again.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

steroids didn't cause a shoulder injury, your training did. Age had nothing to do with it either. For all you know, the steroids may have done you absolutely no harm in the long run.

[brolic272]

steroids didn't cause a shoulder injury, your training did. Age had nothing to do with it either. For all you know, the steroids may have done you absolutely no harm in the long run.

this. although 18 is obviously way too young to be using aas, he could have made it through ok with his hormone levels, libido, etc. i was actually expecting him to say he ended up on hrt, lost all his hair, or some other medical condition.

this was a result of over-training but his point still stands

[bbh90]

Good post OP but this is what I'm thinking,Can't any one on aas have joint problems or tear a tendon?Any ways to prevent this from happening?besides no being an idiot n throwing weight around without proper form?not sayin u did that OP just looking for an answer besides that lol

anyone on AAS can tear a tendon or have joint problems but if you jump straight into AAS without creating a solid base first your muscles will mature faster than your joints and tendons making it so you are likly to have an injury

[bjpennnn]

Sorry to hear about that man, but way to be honest. I started at 19 and since then have gotten two gyno surgeries, was stage four hypertension, I now get EKG's twice a year to monitor my heart for not coming off for about two years running doses that are out of this world trying to get bigger. Running eq, dbol , deca , test, Winni and tren all at once.

Since then you can say I have learned and about two years after that terrible run I started cycling again. I keep it very light and run eight to ten week cycles max. I will only run about a cycle a year but I am going to be bumbing it up slowly here to two a year. Keep your head up man. I am exactly like you we only learn from our own mistakes let it be a lesson to you, learn to learn from other peoples mistakes life is easier that way

Good luck bro

[fender99]

steroids didn't cause a shoulder injury, your training did. Age had nothing to do with it either. For all you know, the steroids may have done you absolutely no harm in the long run.

^i have to partially disagree with this, yes ultimately steroids were not the sole culprit, However, (read below) v-v-v-v-v-v and in my case, a lesson well learned.

anyone on AAS can tear a tendon or have joint problems but if you jump straight into AAS without creating a solid base first your muscles will mature faster than your joints and tendons making it so you are likly to have an injury

[fender99]

also, thanks for the support. ill be posting pictures in the member pictures section with my diet, and training soon for a REAL critique.

[Bonaparte]

Cliffs please?
I'm not reading all that shit. lol

[KINGKONG]

Good story, lots to be learned..We probably have similiar stories of pitfalls weve been through..

[DFOSTER]

The young age probably had a factor in not using responsibly the want it now attitude of a 18 year old mixed with huge gains eventually led to the overtraining and pushing the limits

[bbh90]

^i have to partially disagree with this, yes ultimately steroids were not the sole culprit, However, (read below) v-v-v-v-v-v and in my case, a lesson well learned.

hey man be happy you didnt mess up your hormones at least

im 20 and bulged a disc already without even using steroids lol similar kind of thing though i wasnt using as good of form or squat as i should have and wanted to push the gains took me out of the gym for a few month as well as along road of recovery lots of pain kind of puts your life on hold

good luck in the future

[fender99]

Cliffs please?
I'm not reading all that shit. lol

haha. i cycled twice, started too young, got lucky that my body decided to respond well to pct, but not so lucky because my joints couldnt support the weight my muscles could. tore some shit up, had surgery, got small, got smart, now training hard again.

[fender99]

The young age probably had a factor in not using responsibly the want it now attitude of a 18 year old mixed with huge gains eventually led to the overtraining and pushing the limits

^exactly the point of speaking about my age. at 18 i was the exception to every rule, and as a rule i was invincible.

[paulzane]

Well done for being so honest!!

[slimshady01]

Sorry to hear about that man, but way to be honest. I started at 19 and since then have gotten two gyno surgeries, was stage four hypertension, I now get EKG's twice a year to monitor my heart for not coming off for about two years running doses that are out of this world trying to get bigger. Running eq, dbol , deca , test, Winni and tren all at once.

Since then you can say I have learned and about two years after that terrible run I started cycling again. I keep it very light and run eight to ten week cycles max. I will only run about a cycle a year but I am going to be bumbing it up slowly here to two a year. Keep your head up man. I am exactly like you we only learn from our own mistakes let it be a lesson to you, learn to learn from other peoples mistakes life is easier that way

Good luck bro

Damn bro how old are you now.

I think if i went through all that i wouldnt touch AAS again and just be glad to be on this planet.

[fattymcbutterpants]

I took a bottle of sustanon for a month when I was 15 and then ran deca for 2 months shortly after.....no pct and obviously very short cycles. Yes I got deca dick and pretty sure I stayed depressed for a few months after....who gets depressed at 15 wtf I didnt wanna do anything I remember just feeling like shit in general. Now sometimes I question wether or not that affected my bones maturing and my tendons. I was like 6'1 and made it to 6'4 or 6'5 so it didnt really stunt my growth but still idk my joints tend to be pretty achey but then again i lift a pretty good bit...who knows just thought i would put that in there too to compliment his story

[Lemonada8]

Sticky quality!

[bjpennnn]

Damn bro how old are you now.

I think if i went through all that i wouldnt touch AAS again and just be glad to be on this planet.

Turning 26 in July. There is much more to my story then AAS use, indeed i am happy to be on this planet still.

[fender99]

Sorry to hear about that man, but way to be honest. I started at 19 and since then have gotten two gyno surgeries, was stage four hypertension, I now get EKG's twice a year to monitor my heart for not coming off for about two years running doses that are out of this world trying to get bigger. Running eq, dbol , deca , test, Winni and tren all at once.

Since then you can say I have learned and about two years after that terrible run I started cycling again. I keep it very light and run eight to ten week cycles max. I will only run about a cycle a year but I am going to be bumbing it up slowly here to two a year. Keep your head up man. I am exactly like you we only learn from our own mistakes let it be a lesson to you, learn to learn from other peoples mistakes life is easier that way

Good luck bro

BTW what exactly is 'stage 4' hypertension? and how bad did your gyno get that you needed 2 surgeries? did you use an AI at all?

[APIs]

Your ego blew out your shoulder not the gear

I started when I was a teen too and I still have all my joints in top condition

I guess the moral of the story is don't train with weights you can't control

especially when using gear

Lets face it. No offense, but everyone is just a stupid kid at 18 years old. Again, no offense, but I highly doubt he was as mature & experienced as he thinks. We're all like this in our teens. His injury "was" caused in part by the AS making his muscles stronger than what his 18 y.o. tendons & structure could handle. Combine this with teenage bad judgement, excessive amounts of weight & you're bound to get injured. It's admirable he came clean, but live & learn I guess...

[manblue]

good post !

[fif]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ue!!&p=5544568
?
how did you lose 30lbs and go up 1% bodyfat in a month? unless you were.... *dun dun dun*... lying again?

[flexandex]

TBH your post has made me feel alot better about my decision to start a cycle at the age of 19.
you recovered well after your cycle, you regained your test, you maintained you gains.

you had an injury that cannot be 100% blamed on the gear.

just another guy who can attest that he didnt face any of the horrible sides that are professed to be the common place. when really they are alot more rare than a teen recovering well. Atleast based on anecdotal evidence.

[Cracovia82]

I see you're going all out this time..........http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ue!!&p=5544568
BTW also interested on how you lost 30lbs in a month???
(good find fif)

[marcus300]

I love how all the younger guys are saying its fine to cycle and the older ones say no its not, lol soon it will be the other way round hahaha if only they knew but they will one day LMFAO

[Hart714]

awesome post. I'm a youngin I'm barely 21 finishing my first cycle. I know exactly what you mean when confidence boosts and so does the weight you want to push yourself. I put myself on a limit so I won't harm myself. I slowly worked up to the weight I'm lifting and trying not to push myself too hard. But its so hard to restrain yourself when you know you can push so much. anyways great post this really gave me a total different out look on cycling and basically telling me don't over do your body's potential or you'll pay.

P.S. To all the vets out there When a youngin asks advice for a cycle why do you ignore? if you think about it wouldn't you feel obligated to help the youngin out because he doesn't know what hes doing and youngins tend to react before thinking. point I'm trying to make is answer a youngins question about taking a cycle wonder if no one responds and he does it anyways and totally messes himself up you know? Because I'm in that situation but coming from using a bunch of different drugs I used to always research what I'm taking before I actually Ingested the drug. Good thing I think before I react and Good thing I'm good with computers!!!! FTW! GREAT POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11BUMPP~ALLDAY

[Flier]

awesome post. I'm a youngin I'm barely 21 finishing my first cycle. I know exactly what you mean when confidence boosts and so does the weight you want to push yourself. I put myself on a limit so I won't harm myself. I slowly worked up to the weight I'm lifting and trying not to push myself too hard. But its so hard to restrain yourself when you know you can push so much. anyways great post this really gave me a total different out look on cycling and basically telling me don't over do your body's potential or you'll pay.

P.S. To all the vets out there When a youngin asks advice for a cycle why do you ignore? if you think about it wouldn't you feel obligated to help the youngin out because he doesn't know what hes doing and youngins tend to react before thinking. point I'm trying to make is answer a youngins question about taking a cycle wonder if no one responds and he does it anyways and totally messes himself up you know? Because I'm in that situation but coming from using a bunch of different drugs I used to always research what I'm taking before I actually Ingested the drug. Good thing I think before I react and Good thing I'm good with computers!!!! FTW! GREAT POST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11BUMPP~ALLDAY

I´ve never seen a vet ignore a young man´s post on a cycle. I see it every day.
And the advise is always the same; when you´re too young, you wait.
Usually they are referred to the diet section, as the young probably lack knowledge in that area.
To further advise a young man on his cycle because he´s gonna do it anyway, would be encouraging and foolish.
And, nobody here is obligated to do/advise on anything. We are all here on our free time to learn and share knowledge.

With that said, I hope you have a solid PCT lined up, as you are finishing up your first PH cycle.
I see you had great gains, but remember, you just finished the first chapter only, of the book "Hart714 and my experience with PH". The next chapters will be written over the next years/decades.

[Rodax]

Well I think a good lesson from this is in hubris and humility. From the story we can see Fender convey that it was his hubris, not the gear that ultimately led to his injury. But look at how it was fed, by doing 2 cycles and feeling like he proved some Vets wrong. We shouldn't see where he made his mistake and justify using at a young age by saying he went about training all wrong. Sometimes when people take the time to warn you of an impending disaster and countless people ignore them, then why should they feel compelled to repeat the same answers for different people? This site has a wealth of information that anyone who wanted to educate themselves about proper cycling, diet,etc... could do so and the people here who are willing to help those who want to help themselves. Personally I've never seen this site as a way to find an easy way to a goal, if that were the case we all would be doing that. In truth Fender is right if you overtrain and grow faster than your joints and tendons, then you are just heading towards some kind of problem. But if you take the time while you're young to grow and then later once the tidal surge of hormones has ebbed, decide to run a cycle you might find you're a lot better off than if you just made the surge bigger so you could ride a bigger wave. It's not the size of the wave that determines the distance you ride it, It's how well you ride the swell that determines the distance. Surf analogy aside, you have to ask yourself if you're willing to go that distance?