First Cycle - Deca-Durabolin/Sustanon 250, advice?

**JordanT92** · 03-31-2011, 12:55 PM

No longer relevant.

**pebble** · 03-31-2011, 01:31 PM

Stop. Don't start.

Here is why.

**JordanT92** · 03-31-2011, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by pebble

Stop. Don't start.

Here is why.

Thanks, but I have already paid for them, know the risks, and it doesn't really bother me. The only side effect I was worried about was deca -dick, which is countered by Sustanon anyway. Acne is a bit of a worry, but keeping clean, using shaving foam which doesn't leave my skin dry to avoid compensation with oil, and tanning beds should cut down to an extent.

I have no intention on stopping now, or not starting, I have used Anadrol 50 before which gave me noticeable gains without noticeable side effects, but I'm looking for something a little more drastic. Any comments on my PCT? Acne? When to start my PCT?

Btw, I will be injecting 250mg Sustanon, 100mg Deca during the cycle.

Thanks

**hwy1378** · 03-31-2011, 03:23 PM

You are really young to start all this and I would tell you not to but if you must plan it all very well Marcus is one of the Vets I would listen to. just not to sure of his reaction to your age.. I would kill for your Genetics. If you were my Brother I would tell you to eat alot but clean, supplement and train hard first for a few years. Im 45 and have been taining for 25 years and just started to cycle this year 2011. good luck

**songdog** · 03-31-2011, 03:47 PM

Ok guy.1 you are to young.#2 you are way to light for your height.All you need is food.Go to the diet section.Learn how to eat right.A guy like you will grow like a weed naturally.You dont want to mess with aas at your age.You really can do harm to your endo system.

**wilsonw25** · 03-31-2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Ok guy.1 you are to young.#2 you are way to light for your height.All you need is food.Go to the diet section.Learn how to eat right.A guy like you will grow like a weed naturally.You dont want to mess with aas at your age.You really can do harm to your endo system.

Agreed.. your endocrine system still gets developed up until age 24-25.. steroids shut down your endocrine system and you can have some serious problems down the road... and when i say down the road i mean only in a few years of use. Really rethink this man I am 24 and still probably too young to be doing this and to be giving advice on this may sound hipocritical but resell them and train hard for at least a few more years before you start up

you saying alone that the only sides you are worried about are decadick and acne show that you dont know enough about what steroids do to your body on the cellular level for you to begin a cycle.

put on more weight, get enucated, train hard and do research.

**dru23** · 04-01-2011, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by wilsonw25

Agreed.. your endocrine system still gets developed up until age 24-25.. steroids shut down your endocrine system and you can have some serious problems down the road... and when i say down the road i mean only in a few years of use. Really rethink this man I am 24 and still probably too young to be doing this and to be giving advice on this may sound hipocritical but resell them and train hard for at least a few more years before you start up

you saying alone that the only sides you are worried about are decadick and acne show that you dont know enough about what steroids do to your body on the cellular level for you to begin a cycle.

put on more weight, get enucated, train hard and do research.

boom...bagoosh

**dru23** · 04-01-2011, 01:59 AM

you have so much you can do naturally its unreal, at 6'1, you should get up to 210-225 naturally before even considering aas. and that is a very very reachable goal.

**MBMETC** · 04-01-2011, 05:06 AM

Despite your age your cycle is planned poorly at best all you will gain of this cycle is acne, shutdown, and water.
Yes you are too young to cycle and take a great risk in doing so, but as I mentioned your cycle plan blows. You have a good thing going on you lean and defined already just stay on your course of eating clean and training and you will build a better body naturally. Please reconsider
Good luck
Mb

**Scottish-Muscle** · 04-01-2011, 05:21 AM

Even though I'd agree as well of his age he's already done a cycle and planned out his cycle and has the stuff so hes going to do it regardless, so best idea is to guide him in the right direction...

**marcus300** · 04-01-2011, 06:00 AM

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

**JordanT92** · 04-01-2011, 06:40 AM

Okay, thanks for the information guys, I understand that AAS could have a detrimental effect on the endocrine system, but how much damage could one 8 week cycle really do? In not particularly high dosages.

Andropause is definitely a huge problem, so the testosterone levels in my system will increase dramatically due to Sustanon , which will cause my body to stop producing those hormones altogether, until the cycle is over and my body regulates and returns to the normal amount, in most cases, right? So no Andropause symptoms will show up during the cycle due to excessive testosterone levels.. HRT isn't fun so i'd like to avoid that bullet, but I already have the steroids , the PCT is in place, stopping now would seem a waste.

Studies have shown the epiphyeal bone to seal in most teenagers at the age of 17, I'm 6ft 1" at the moment, and I consider myself tall enough, if not too tall. So i'm not too worried about that.

I completely understand the importance of diet when it comes to building and maintaining muscle or mass, I'm sticking to a high carb, high protein, low fat diet.

Could anyone suggest an alternative cycle? As mine is poor.