Dbol hangover?

**Flier** · 04-06-2011, 12:17 PM

On cycle.

10 weeks 450mgs Cyp.
30 days Dbol 20mg kickstart

Finished Dbol 2 days ago, so in my 5´th week of Cyp.

Feel like I have a hangover, hard to get out of the couch, fell asleep after coming from gym today...etc..

Is this normal when ending the Dbol?
Am I possibly on bunk Cyp?

Going to Endo tomorrow to do BW. (results in 1 week)

Will start pinning tomorrow from new bottle.
The current bottle only gave me 8.5 pins, ie 8.5ml.

After sucking out the last .5ml tomorrow, I will inject 10x1ml back in the bottle with same syringe and procedure to see if I´ve been drawing 1.15ml each time instead of 1ml.

**Bonaparte** · 04-06-2011, 01:22 PM

If you drew the plunger back to the 1ml line, then yes, you drew out ~1.15ml. The .15 is held in the hub (dead space) and needle itself. Always get more gear than you think you'll need.

Oh, and it sounds as though your Test is fake and the only thing that had you running strong was the Dbol (which is unusual, since orals themselves often cause lethargy).

**PistolStarta** · 04-06-2011, 01:40 PM

why only 20mg of Dbol ?

**marcus300** · 04-06-2011, 01:44 PM

How much weight have you put on in 5 weeks?

**bert003** · 04-06-2011, 01:56 PM

I guess Cyp refers to testosterone cypionate . Somewhere I read that most high doses of test can make you lethargic... Maybe 450mgs is a high dosage for you? Why not try at 300mgs? Just my two cents...

**Flier** · 04-06-2011, 02:39 PM

Thanks for the reply guys!

BP,
I did draw back to the 1ml line, and I´ll check tomorrow by doing it 10 times with water to see if I end up with the same value.
It´s hard for me to feel much of anything I guess, because I am such a "lethargic", if you may, person to start with.
I was really exited to see how I would react to off the chart test levels.

PS,
I just followed 20 mgs per beginners cycle. Definitely gave me the kickstart it was supposed to.

Marcus,
I put on 10lbs first week, (230-240lbs), and I ´ve remained there.

bert,
I was planning 400mgs, but realizing I´m drawing more, maybe I´m running closer to 500.

I look forward to see what BW shows. Draw tomorrow.
BW 2 weeks into cycle showed Test: 45 (8-35), Estro: 0.31 (<0.18), SHBG: 6 (8-60), Free test index: 79.5 (2.3-9.9)

With these levels, I didn´t feel any diffferent from my regular (which is low) levels.

**marcus300** · 04-06-2011, 02:43 PM

Well your carrying around 10lbs more for a start and when you get bloodwork done make sure you get your rbc checked, sometimes high rbc can cause you to feel that way.

**Flier** · 04-06-2011, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Well your carrying around 10lbs more for a start and when you get bloodwork done make sure you get your rbc checked, sometimes high rbc can cause you to feel that way.

Ok, I will. But what is rbc?
I google´d, but got only Royal Bank of Canada...hehe

Found it, Red Bloodcell Count. I´ll ask for it. Thanks.

**Mackn** · 04-06-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by First Timer 42

Ok, I will. But what is rbc?
I google´d, but got only Royal Bank of Canada...hehe

Your red blood cell count

**ghettoboyd** · 04-06-2011, 03:32 PM

red blood cell count i believe...

**Flier** · 04-06-2011, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mackn

Your red blood cell count

Yes..just found it...thanks.

**Flier** · 04-13-2011, 08:37 AM

So...I got the results back.

My RBC is good,
so is T4/T3, although increasing and on the high side.

But the interesting part,
Total Test now 40 (8-35)....for US values, something like this: 1250 (250-1100)
Estrogen: 0.32 (<0.18)
SHBG: 5 (8-60)
Free Test 81.2 (2.3-9.9)

First question is,
My total test is 40. Does that make sense when I am on 450mgs Cyp/week?

My Free Test is sky high, obviously because my SHBG is way low.
Nothing of my Test is "bound" (stored), giving my test in it´s free state, a short life span,(10-100 min.)
Low SHBG can be linked to several adverse side effects, and excessive levels of Free test can cause the reverse of it´s intended effect.
Not sure what causes my low SHBG, but suspect Aromasin (10mg EOD)
I will stop Aromasin as of today, and see what happened to my levels. Will do another BW in 2 weeks.
Any thoughts on this?

**MBMETC** · 04-13-2011, 09:29 AM

How long after your injection was the blood drawn, although it seems low

**Flier** · 04-13-2011, 09:46 AM

BW was done 4 days after previous Cyp pin.
And this was about 4.5 weeks into my cycle.
I pin E4D.
But does it matter if the BW was done 1 day or 4 days after, with such a long ester as Cyp?

**MBMETC** · 04-13-2011, 09:52 AM

Ya, it does. you should be stabelizing at around 2200, maybe underdosed gear. thats an unorthodox pinning scheduale, most guys including myself pin long esters 2x pw ex: tue-fri or mon-thur the theroy is blood levels will emain stable

**Flier** · 04-13-2011, 10:08 AM

Yes, I´m suspecting underdosed gear.
I source checked the gear with a vet here, and he said u never know what u get from that lab.

Regarding the pinning schedule, u really think every 3.5 days or every 4 days makes much difference?...just 12 hours difference.

**MBMETC** · 04-13-2011, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by First Timer 42

Yes, I´m suspecting underdosed gear.
I source checked the gear with a vet here, and he said u never know what u get from that lab.

Regarding the pinning schedule, u really think every 3.5 days or every 4 days makes much difference?...just 12 hours difference.

well e4d is essentialt 1x pw so interms of helping to maintain stable levels it may

**Flier** · 04-13-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

well e4d is essentialt 1x pw so interms of helping to maintain stable levels it may

No, every 4 days is not once per week..hehe...that would be every 7 days.

**MBMETC** · 04-13-2011, 10:33 AM

tomato tamoto

**Flier** · 04-13-2011, 10:42 AM

Hehehe...

Anyway, nothing I can do about the gear now. I have 4 10ml bottles left. Just started another one. Maybe this one has more potency.

Going with Pharm grade if I ever do this again.

**MBMETC** · 04-13-2011, 10:43 AM

bump the dose and adjust the pin schedule

**Flier** · 04-13-2011, 10:51 AM

U know what, I thought about that. But if this is from a source where u never know what u get, then the new bottle I just started might be good.
And if I bump the dose now, I might be getting a lot more than what I want. But I might bump a little bit, and do BW again in 2 weeks, and see what happened.

**Times Roman** · 04-13-2011, 10:51 AM

dbol makes some people tired

**MBMETC** · 04-13-2011, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by First Timer 42

U know what, I thought about that. But if this is from a source where u never know what u get, then the new bottle I just started might be good.
And if I bump the dose now, I might be getting a lot more than what I want. But I might bump a little bit, and do BW again in 2 weeks, and see what happened.

if its all from the same lot its more than likely all equally crappy

**Bonaparte** · 04-13-2011, 11:33 AM

Your test is 100% fake. Your total test levels should be around 3,000ng/dl at that dose.
The Dbol was GTG (Dbol also isn't very suppressive).
The aromasin is keeping SHBG low and boosting your test just outside of the normal range.

**Flier** · 04-13-2011, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Your test is 100% fake. Your total test levels should be around 3,000ng/dl at that dose.
The Dbol was GTG (Dbol also isn't very suppressive).
The aromasin is keeping SHBG low and boosting your test just outside of the normal range.

Fuuuk!