Kinda new to this game

[1991]

Hey. I am planing a cycle, it will be my second cycle. My first cycle was a Dbol only cycle, the results from that cycle were surprisingly good, however i didnt do any pct. Now for my second cycle i was thinking of injecting 200mg test every 4 days for about 18 weeks or so and for the last 6 weeks take oral winstrol along with the test.(im 20 years old btw) My "guy"(the guy that interduced me to steroids and guided me through my first cycle) he thinks i wont really need a pct cause hes done alot of this stuff and never had any sides and has never had pct, he has no gyno or anything, he just kind of slowly reduces his portion of test for a couple of weeks and than quits injecting.
Now i was thinking, will nolva be enough if i take it the whole time along my test?

[layeazy]

i think your a troll

Aren't going to get help here too young and no knowledge whatsoever of the powerful hormones you have taken and plan on taking...

[1991]

i think your a troll

Aren't going to get help here too young and no knowledge whatsoever of the powerful hormones you have taken and plan on taking...

I assure you im not a troll, what would i gain from writing that if it wasnt true?That being said im here to learn.
And too young at 20? Not that it justifies being too young but i know so many 16-18 year olds up to their neck in the juice and dosnt seem to harm them too much

[Tlee8769]

I assure you im not a troll, what would i gain from writing that if it wasnt true?That being said im here to learn.
And too young at 20? Not that it justifies being too young but i know so many 16-18 year olds up to their neck in the juice and dosnt seem to harm them too much

How do you know that it isnt harming them do you think a majority of them get their BW done have you seen there results? We are just looking out for you bud do not use any AAS you do not have a clear understanding of these compounds and the effects that they have on your still young body, its not worth the headache of potential permanent side effects. You have the highest test range right now at the age you are why not diet properly and do things the right way just my opinion.

[Windex]

Hey. I am planing a cycle, it will be my second cycle. My first cycle was a Dbol only cycle, the results from that cycle were surprisingly good, however i didnt do any pct. Now for my second cycle i was thinking of injecting 200mg test every 4 days for about 18 weeks or so and for the last 6 weeks take oral winstrol along with the test.(im 20 years old btw) My "guy"(the guy that interduced me to steroids and guided me through my first cycle) he thinks i wont really need a pct cause hes done alot of this stuff and never had any sides and has never had pct, he has no gyno or anything, he just kind of slowly reduces his portion of test for a couple of weeks and than quits injecting.
Now i was thinking, will nolva be enough if i take it the whole time along my test?

So your going to inject yourself with LESS Testosterone than what is your body right now ? Shows you how much you understand with your own body and steroids. Step away from the steroids and educate and fix your diet. People at 35 and 45 take Test so they can have the levels of a 19 or 20 year old. You have no reason to take it.

[Kostas]

I've started these things when i was at your age too,so even though you seem a bit young to me right now(and you are..) i must admit that if you wanna try more juice there's nothing i can say to prevent you from doing it so..I'll try to give you a couple of notes

First of all 18 weeks is a lot of period,take it easy man,you got plenty of time,give your body a chance to recover after 8 weeks,do a break for another 8 or so(you'll know when you're ready) and then jump in the wagon again.Its much better this way

Also what kind of Test are you goin'to shoot? I'd say start Winstrol after week 4 and stay with it 2 weeks after you inject your last Testo

PCT treatment is 99% necessary,you need Pregnil and Nolva to back you up man,believe me..I'd also recommend taking proviron from day one and to add the nolva after week 4,doses are not the subject right now,we'll talk about that later

Guys feel freely to correct me if i'm wrong with any of the above

[Tlee8769]

I've started these things when i was at your age too,so even though you seem a bit young to me right now(and you are..) i must admit that if you wanna try more juice there's nothing i can say to prevent you from doing it so..I'll try to give you a couple of notes

First of all 18 weeks is a lot of period,take it easy man,you got plenty of time,give your body a chance to recover after 8 weeks,do a break for another 8 or so(you'll know when you're ready) and then jump in the wagon again.Its much better this way

Also what kind of Test are you goin'to shoot? I'd say start Winstrol after week 4 and stay with it 2 weeks after you inject your last Testo

PCT treatment is 99% necessary,you need Pregnil and Nolva to back you up man,believe me..I'd also recommend taking proviron from day one and to add the nolva after week 4,doses are not the subject right now,we'll talk about that later

Guys feel freely to correct me if i'm wrong with any of the above

Your wrong with helping him period. Yes you might have done the same thing but saying no dont do that than providing information to someone that does not have a clear understanding whats so ever of the compounds. You should let him gather his own information do not provide underage users with knowledge to go do a cycle.

[dec11]

I've started these things when i was at your age too,so even though you seem a bit young to me right now(and you are..) i must admit that if you wanna try more juice there's nothing i can say to prevent you from doing it so..I'll try to give you a couple of notes

First of all 18 weeks is a lot of period,take it easy man,you got plenty of time,give your body a chance to recover after 8 weeks,do a break for another 8 or so(you'll know when you're ready) and then jump in the wagon again.Its much better this way

Also what kind of Test are you goin'to shoot? I'd say start Winstrol after week 4 and stay with it 2 weeks after you inject your last Testo

PCT treatment is 99% necessary,you need Pregnil and Nolva to back you up man,believe me..I'd also recommend taking proviron from day one and to add the nolva after week 4,doses are not the subject right now,we'll talk about that later

Guys feel freely to correct me if i'm wrong with any of the above

reported, you are no asset to this board

[Kostas]

[QUOTE=Windex;5614981]So your going to inject yourself with LESS Testosterone than what is your body right now ? Shows you how much you understand with your own body and steroids .[QUOTE]

Man as far as i agree with the fact that you're trying to pass some good exp on the young man i think you've missed something,he's talking about miligrams,we dont produce anywhere near that ammount of Testo as human beings

[Tlee8769]

[QUOTE=Kostas;5615009][QUOTE=Windex;5614981]So your going to inject yourself with LESS Testosterone than what is your body right now ? Shows you how much you understand with your own body and steroids .

Man as far as i agree with the fact that you're trying to pass some good exp on the young man i think you've missed something,he's talking about miligrams,we dont produce anywhere near that ammount of Testo as human beings

Didn't you just read what a respected member said to you we do not need people like you on this site providing information you are no asset to anybody here. Do not provide underage people with any information except the diet section where they should be.

[Kostas]

WTF i'm trying to help this kid,come on guys i wish i had someone to tell me a few things when i was starting myself,isnt this board all about? To share and help? Shall i let him do an 18 weeks cycle without a PCT or anything? Congrats guys

Dec11 i'm still waiting for your reply man,as i said take your time,web searching might take some

[dec11]

WTF i'm trying to help this kid,come on guys i wish i had someone to tell me a few things when i was starting myself,is this board all about? To share and help? Shall i let him do an 18 weeks cycle without a PCT or anything? Congrats guys

Dec11 i'm still waiting for your reply man,as i said take your time,web searching might take some

you wont be getting any replies from me faker, i wouldnt waste my time or energy, anyone familiar with me on here knows ive nothing to prove. you'll be banned shortly anyway i hope. you keep forgetting that bad english grammar mate, a bad slip up there, writting in two differnt styles. i wonder is there a limit to all this?

[Tlee8769]

WTF i'm trying to help this kid,come on guys i wish i had someone to tell me a few things when i was starting myself,isnt this board all about? To share and help? Shall i let him do an 18 weeks cycle without a PCT or anything? Congrats guys

Dec11 i'm still waiting for your reply man,as i said take your time,web searching might take some

The best advice for a underage user is no advice at all do not give advice thats just condoning him doing it let him look on his own terms it just gives sites like this a bad name when people like you give people like him information.

[Tlee8769]

The best advice for a underage user is no advice at all do not give advice thats just condoning him doing it let him look on his own terms it just gives sites like this a bad name when people like you give people like him information.

Steer him towards the diet section cause thats where he belongs and he will get better gains doing it that way than any aas will do for him.

[1991]

Umm... Chill guys. Reading through your answers has made me realise that i do indeed not know as much as i should. Maybe i am too young and am not experiensed enough in the world of fitness to do what i had planed to. Its just so temting to take these substances because everyone around you are doing them and are getting great gains. But thinking about it, i do have my whole life ahead of me and it seems foolish to throw that away just because i didnt do my research and am too young.

Just some quick questions: how old do you recon you should be when you do your first real cycle and dose it matter if i allready injected the first 200mg?

Id allso like to thank Kostas for actually trying to help not just say youre too young.

[jimmyinkedup]

I've started these things when i was at your age too,so even though you seem a bit young to me right now(and you are..) i must admit that if you wanna try more juice there's nothing i can say to prevent you from doing it so..I'll try to give you a couple of notes

First of all 18 weeks is a lot of period,take it easy man,you got plenty of time,give your body a chance to recover after 8 weeks,do a break for another 8 or so(you'll know when you're ready) and then jump in the wagon again.Its much better this way

Also what kind of Test are you goin'to shoot? I'd say start Winstrol after week 4 and stay with it 2 weeks after you inject your last Testo

PCT treatment is 99% necessary,you need Pregnil and Nolva to back you up man,believe me..I'd also recommend taking proviron from day one and to add the nolva after week 4,doses are not the subject right now,we'll talk about that later

Guys feel freely to correct me if i'm wrong with any of the above

Consider yourself corrected. We dont give reckless advice here just because we cant stop someone that is too young from doing steroids . Our morals and views on the topic dont change becuase we think they might do it anyway. Windex's advice re: diet etc is the most prudent given -regardless of how much endegenous test this young mans produces.
OP you need to focus on diet and proper trainiong. There are stickies here clearly explaining why steroids at your age is not only a bad idea but detrimental. Read Them. Then visit the diet and workout forums. There is a wealth of knowledge to be had that will help you far more than a cycle will at this stage.

[Kostas]

Didnt know we have a rule for under 21 or so,i'm terrible sorry if so

Dec11 what is wrong with you man? Stop doing this,how old are you? 12?

PS You cant answer..Prove me i'm wrong

[Tlee8769]

There is nothing to prove here our work is done the kid is learning he isnt ready for AAS and that the proper way is to educate and diet and he can reach his goals that way.

[dec11]

Umm... Chill guys. Reading through your answers has made me realise that i do indeed not know as much as i should. Maybe i am too young and am not experiensed enough in the world of fitness to do what i had planed to. Its just so temting to take these substances because everyone around you are doing them and are getting great gains. But thinking about it, i do have my whole life ahead of me and it seems foolish to throw that away just because i didnt do my research and am too young.

Just some quick questions: how old do you recon you should be when you do your first real cycle and dose it matter if i allready injected the first 200mg?

Id allso like to thank Kostas for actually trying to help not just say youre too young.

please avoid ppl like this mate, they are a danger to your health.

tht 1st shot shouldnt do much harm, discontinue and go over to the diet section and theres afew good lads over there who'll help you out.

25 is a good benchmark age wise although you can still gain natty well beyond it. i myself gained right up until my early 30's natty before i tried gear. as well as the physical probs from cycling you need to be aware of the mental too, depression can be a big prob coming off cycles and at your age everything is still developing and thus at even greater risk if you start messing those hormones around.
trust me, you do not want the depression associated with low test, it is horrendous

[Kostas]

25 is a good benchmark age wise although you can still gain natty well beyond it. i myself gained right up until my early 30's natty before i tried gear. as well as the physical probs from cycling you need to be aware of the mental too, depression can be a big prob coming off cycles and at your age everything is still developing and thus at even greater risk if you start messing those hormones around.
trust me, you do not want the depression associated with low test, it is horrendous

Agreed

[jimmyinkedup]

Dec11 what is wrong with you man? Stop doing this,how old are you? 12?

PS You cant answer..Prove me i'm wrong

What is this pre school? Enough with the antagonizng and BS.
He is right - your advice here sucked and you will be jumped on here for giving advice like it. Now cool it with the childish taunts and insults.

[Kostas]

Sucked? For helping a young boy from being fkd up?

I'm done with this forum,you should name it a closed club and thats it,i dont need this shit

Ban me now and kiss my ass goodbye

[warren916]

I've started these things when i was at your age too,so even though you seem a bit young to me right now(and you are..) i must admit that if you wanna try more juice there's nothing i can say to prevent you from doing it so..I'll try to give you a couple of notes

First of all 18 weeks is a lot of period,take it easy man,you got plenty of time,give your body a chance to recover after 8 weeks,do a break for another 8 or so(you'll know when you're ready) and then jump in the wagon again.Its much better this way

Also what kind of Test are you goin'to shoot? I'd say start Winstrol after week 4 and stay with it 2 weeks after you inject your last Testo

PCT treatment is 99% necessary,you need Pregnil and Nolva to back you up man,believe me..I'd also recommend taking proviron from day one and to add the nolva after week 4,doses are not the subject right now,we'll talk about that later

Guys feel freely to correct me if i'm wrong with any of the above

Dude you are a straight IDIOT.

PLEASE do NOT give anymore advice to ANYONE.

[Your Girl Loves Me]

kosta didnt you know???? you have to kiss butt here until you have about... 1000 post. Just watch some of these threads. do that and you'll be golden to troll flame whatever you want. If not the "gear police" are going to report you... then you will have to make a new username... annoying I know. the age thing tho is the only rule they care about here really. You can break almost any other rule and no one will notice.

[marcus300]

Sucked? For helping a young boy from being fkd up?

I'm done with this forum,you should name it a closed club and thats it,i dont need this shit

Ban me now and kiss my ass goodbye

Everyone is entitled to post their opinion on any threads but what I find frustrating is some teenager starts a thread and asks for help designing a first time cycle, he's 19yrs old 165lbs, training for 12 months and eats good. We all tell him what his problem is and which areas he needs to concentrate on while highlighting the dangers of using steroids at a young age and then some other young kid who doesn't have any experience in steroids or knowledge of the compounds being used and tells him he will need nolva with that and some deca . After 20 posts trying to direct this teenager in the right direction he will pick up on that one postfrom the other teenager advising him to cycle and all our hard work goes out of the window.

How can other teenagers/kids advice other young members how to cycle when they have only done one cycle or none and have zero knowledge on the risks involved and dangers! this is what is so frustrating. Dont get me wrong we are a steroid board and we advice accordingly but we try to give the safest advice possible for the stats and history provided. If we weren't so newbie driven it wouldn't be much of a problem but seeing that we are the No1 steroids board on the net we have a lot of newbie traffic so we have to keep this in mind when advising and who is watching. Many newbies just lurk and never post so all aspects need consideration.

My advice to someone doesn't change all because he is going to do it anyway, why would my advice change when his stats and experience hasn't!! I will keep pushing the issue of how important it is not to cycle before full development and in many cases i get pm's thanking me at a later date and I also get pm's 6 months down the line from the kids who did cycle and now cant get hard and they come crying to me for help.

I don't advice against teenagers using for the good of my health, its theirs. After 26yrs in the business ive seen and experienced far more than some kid who thinks he knows it all. I advice what I feel is right from my knowledge and experience and it just's frustrating when I see other kids advising on a subject what they have no experience or knowledge about.

Normally with many younger bodybuilders it last's the summer then dies off. The younger bodybuilders need to learn how to eat to grow first and build some kind of base instead of thinking the answer is in an injection or pill. Many have no idea how to eat or what to eat and trust me I was a sponge for knowledge when i was a teenager first starting out and the diet side of things took me many years to conquer so when i hear kids saying their diet is good and cant be any better after 2-3 yrs of training I say bull.

If you want to run the risks involved that's your choice but please dont push them onto other inexperienced members like yourself. If your intentions were to become pro one day you would realize that building a natural foundation to its maximum limit would be the key to achieving your goal but yet again we have someone who thinks the only way forward is injections and tablets, if only you knew but I guess you will learn the hard way.

[lovbyts]

WTF i'm trying to help this kid,come on guys i wish i had someone to tell me a few things when i was starting myself,isnt this board all about? To share and help? Shall i let him do an 18 weeks cycle without a PCT or anything? Congrats guys

Dec11 i'm still waiting for your reply man,as i said take your time,web searching might take some

Put simply, you are not helping and if you continue down this road of helping I'm quite sure and so far my accuracy is about 99.99% that you will not be here much longer so either redefine what you think help is or meet the hammer.

Sucked? For helping a young boy from being fkd up?

I'm done with this forum,you should name it a closed club and thats it,i dont need this shit

Ban me now and kiss my ass goodbye

I guess I should have read the whole thread first. I guess I will still be at 99.99% lol
To bad you couldn't see the logic

[lovbyts]

kosta didnt you know???? you have to kiss butt here until you have about... 1000 post. Just watch some of these threads. do that and you'll be golden to troll flame whatever you want. If not the "gear police" are going to report you... then you will have to make a new username... annoying I know. the age thing tho is the only rule they care about here really. You can break almost any other rule and no one will notice.

That is saying a lot. Sounds like someone needs an IP check.

[dec11]

kosta didnt you know???? you have to kiss butt here until you have about... 1000 post. Just watch some of these threads. do that and you'll be golden to troll flame whatever you want. If not the "gear police" are going to report you... then you will have to make a new username... annoying I know. the age thing tho is the only rule they care about here really. You can break almost any other rule and no one will notice.

haha, how stupid was that, you just gave yourself away. bye bye lmao

[Kostas]

If you want to run the risks involved that's your choice but please dont push them onto other inexperienced members like yourself. If your intentions were to become pro one day you would realize that building a natural foundation to its maximum limit would be the key to achieving your goal but yet again we have someone who thinks the only way forward is injections and tablets, if only you knew but I guess you will learn the hard way.

I see,thats a great answer thanx for taking me seriously mate

You dont know me but you can just see some other posts of mine related with diet etc you'll see for yourself who's the fake and the idiot here.
As i said before you cant say no to an 18 years old kid(you've been there..you know..WE all know..),i strongly believe its much better to give a few decent advices to novices than giving up on them,you're sayin' i'm wrong,i have a different opinion.

Peace

PS You must making fun of Deca11 for not banning my ass yet

[dec11]

I see,thats a great answer thanx for taking me seriously mate

You dont know me but you can just see some other posts of mine related with diet etc you'll see for yourself who's the fake and the idiot here.
As i said before you cant say no to an 18 years old kid(you've been there..you know..WE all know..),i strongly believe its much better to give a few decent advices to novices than giving up on them,you're sayin' i'm wrong,i have a different opinion.

Peace

PS You must making fun of Deca11 for not banning my ass yet

lets please get shot of this guy.......

[Tlee8769]

Everyone has their own opinion on things but look at the vast majority speaking on this thread they are trying to educate the proper way to do things the experience they all have combined can not be disputed you dont seem to get it. Read again what Marcus stated to you thats the proper advice to give not your uneducated way. It is like stating to a kid how to do drugs he is going to do it anyways my as well tell him how to do it my way you understand? The point of this forum is to educate people and a 20 year old kid needs to educate himself by diet to reach his goals.

[Kostas]

lets please get shot of this guy.......

Is this a mature answer? What am i suppose to say now?

Tlee i got it bro,even though i still have my own way of thinking,i got it

[cro]

man this kids killin me i graduated high school in 1991...lol

[Your Girl Loves Me]

haha, how stupid was that, you just gave yourself away. bye bye lmao

glad i made you laugh, everytime i see your avi i get a good little chuckle myself.