Cyp. test cycle.

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 12:45 PM

Well been on a test cyp. cycle for 6wks now & I feeling good,great workouts,great pumps in the gym but really not seeing to much in my body changing.I know the stuff is good because my blood work came back & before the blood work I took 5 shots of test.My TT was at 900 & my free test was 260.My docter knew right away I was doing something.I dont think I am not eating enough calories on this cycle.I am consuming 2800 a day because dont want to put any fat on.Before the cycle I was cutting.I know I should of cleaned bulk while on this cycle.Is not eating enough stopping from seeing a change to my body?Didnt want to get huge but wanted to see some changes! thanks

Just checked.It was 4 shots before blood test & the last shot was 5 days before the test!

250mgx2 a wk cyp.
45yrs old
6' 205
bf dont know but not high
20yrs workout
4th cycle

**MBMETC** · 05-06-2011, 12:47 PM

bump the cals 200-300 see where you go, how tall are you and have you put on any weight sinse the start of the cycle. 900 tt is not impressive at 2.5 weeks in but maybe bonaparte or swifto can offer input

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

bump the cals 200-300 see where you go, how tall are you and have you put on any weight sinse the start of the cycle. 900 tt is not impressive at 2.5 weeks in but maybe bonaparte or swifto can offer input

Thanks MBMETC....I am 6'.I know what your saying about the TT but man the docter was pissed off & asking what was I doing on the outside of his office.Its a TRT clinic.He was telling me my numbers are off the charts but I know that they where not that bad.I know my test is from a UGL maybe its dosed low! For the weight gain maybe 4 pounds.

**MBMETC** · 05-06-2011, 01:17 PM

start graduating the cals and bump the cardio if needed to keep fat gains minimal, but 4lbs is nothing you should have put on double that in water.

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 01:35 PM

Thats what I was thinking also.Like I said maybe low dosed.Now I have another source that could get me some gear but I guess I have to wait to clean out from this one to start anything! This sucks because cycle was to look good for this summer.Dont know if I should cont. on this cycle or clean out & start another one.I also got some Anavar ( 20mg each capsule)from the same source & its been 7 days & waiting for this to kick in.How long before Anavar takes before you feel the effects?I got the anavar because after the blood work came back & saw 900 in TT I knew it wasnt bunk but Know it might be low dosed. Thanks again MBMETC

**brad1986** · 05-06-2011, 05:02 PM

def bump the cals to about 18 cals per lb of body weight. If you are not gaining its pretty much always diet related

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 05:06 PM

^^^^ Thanks.Thats what I will be doing.

**Bonaparte** · 05-06-2011, 05:10 PM

250mg is just a high HRT dose, even if your gear is pharma grade. And yours is almost certainly underdosed. No wonder you aren't seeing much. Besides, 900ng/dl is within natural limits, so you'll need several times that much to see the rapid steroidal gains you're looking for.

By trippling that dose to 750mg/week you will be at roughly 2700ng/dl, which should provide the decent gains you're looking for.

**MBMETC** · 05-06-2011, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

250mg is still an HRT dose. No wonder you aren't seeing much. With 3 previous cycles, I would double the dose and increase the cals.
Besides, 900ng/dl is within natural limits, so you'll need several times that much to see the rapid steroidal gains you're looking for.

Shod I didn't pick up on that at first 5 shots only good pick up Bonaparte, ya op not eating enough and not running enough gear to see gains

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

Shod I didn't pick up on that at first 5 shots only good pick up Bonaparte, ya op not eating enough and not running enough gear to see gains

My mistake.Got edit OP.Should be 250x2 a wk = 500mgs

**MBMETC** · 05-06-2011, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by sanman

My mistake.Got edit OP.Should be 250x2 a wk = 500mgs

May be bunk gear

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

250mg is just a high HRT dose, even if your gear is pharma grade. And yours is almost certainly underdosed. No wonder you aren't seeing much. Besides, 900ng/dl is within natural limits, so you'll need several times that much to see the rapid steroidal gains you're looking for.

By trippling that dose to 750mg/week you will be at roughly 2700ng/dl, which should provide the decent gains you're looking for.

Thanks Bonaparte.I know test kicks in the 6th or 7th wks so maybe expecting to much this early.Still wondering if my levels should of been higher after 4 shots or was my gear dosed low.

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

May be bunk gear

That would suck.But why would this docter be so pissed off that my levels where at that number.Dont make sense.If it was bunk can I just start right away on another cycle.I have another source waiting for me to call him? thanks again

**Bonaparte** · 05-06-2011, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by sanman

That would suck.But why would this docter be so pissed off that my levels where at that number.Dont make sense.If it was bunk can I just start right away on another cycle.I have another source waiting for me to call him? thanks again

Your gear is grossly underdosed, assuming that you are using the ng/dl scale that we are used to (with 300-1200ng/dl being roughly normal range).

And why is your doc looking at your blood work results? Are you on HRT, did you make up some story about feeling like you have low test, or what?

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Your gear is grossly underdosed, assuming that you are using the ng/dl scale that we are used to (with 300-1200ng/dl being roughly normal range).

And why is your doc looking at your blood work results? Are you on HRT, did you make up some story about feeling like you have low test, or what?

It was a TRT clinic but before I even seen him once I started the test cyp cycle.So when my results came back he was telling me my numbers where off the charts.So when I heard that I was just glad I found out my gear wasnt bunk,well at that point I thought that.So I figure I post my results on this great forum.Now I am pissed the F**k off finding out its really under dosed.I do feel great & my weights in the gym did go up! My bench press went up from 225 to 275 so I figured it was good shit.I weighed myself today and when I started I was 204 & tonight I weighed 210 but dont know if its from eating alot last night!Dont know if I should continue with the cycle or get some more gear from another source I have.This really does suck!

**Bonaparte** · 05-06-2011, 07:12 PM

Could you please post your exact test results? Something isn't adding up here...

**sanman** · 05-06-2011, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Could you please post your exact test results? Something isn't adding up here...

He never gave me the results.He also told me go to my docter because my iron is very low.I would call the clinic tomorrow & request a copy & would post it up tomorrow.He didnt even want to talk to me after the read results.Dont know what his problem was.But the first question was what are you doing on the outside that your levels are this high?Thanks for all the help.Bonaparte

Wish thier was a explaination for this because got my gear from a friend that I know for yrs. & it will suck if he was trying to get over!!!!!

**Bonaparte** · 05-06-2011, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by sanman

He never gave me the results.He also told me go to my docter because my iron is very low.I would call the clinic tomorrow & request a copy & would post it up tomorrow.He didnt even want to talk to me after the read results.Dont know what his problem was.But the first question was what are you doing on the outside that your levels are this high?Thanks for all the help.Bonaparte

Wish thier was a explaination for this because got my gear from a friend that I know for yrs. & it will suck if he was trying to get over!!!!!

This "doc" of yours sounds sketchy...even for a rejuvination clinic doc (which is basically just a glorified, licenced, drug dealer).
Demand a copy of your results and go elsewhere if he gives you a hard time.
As for the low iron, just eat more red meat or supplement some iron into your diet. Easy fix.

**MBMETC** · 05-07-2011, 04:45 AM

I don't know 900 free test isn't off the chart it could be a normal reading, I was 3700 free test 2 days after a pin 5 weeks in...lol

**VegasRenegade** · 05-07-2011, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by sanman

It was a TRT clinic but before I even seen him once I started the test cyp cycle.So when my results came back he was telling me my numbers where off the charts.So when I heard that I was just glad I found out my gear wasnt bunk,well at that point I thought that.So I figure I post my results on this great forum.Now I am pissed the F**k off finding out its really under dosed.I do feel great & my weights in the gym did go up! My bench press went up from 225 to 275 so I figured it was good shit.I weighed myself today and when I started I was 204 & tonight I weighed 210 but dont know if its from eating alot last night!Dont know if I should continue with the cycle or get some more gear from another source I have.This really does suck!

A doc will want you in the 500-750 range most get nervous at the top end. if you went in before gear you had a good shoot at getting a script now i would suggest not going back to this clinic. my first blood work was 180 got scriprt for 200/week next bl after skiping a week before bw was 1280 doc wanted to change script i wanted to get test lower but have some to save to blast with so talk him into waiting, now i take 100/week and skip week before bw levels 500 doc is happy i am happy. when i want true levels i pay for the test and only i see results.

**sanman** · 05-07-2011, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

I don't know 900 free test isn't off the chart it could be a normal reading, I was 3700 free test 2 days after a pin 5 weeks in...lol

Wow know I know its well under dosed or def. bunk!

**sanman** · 05-07-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by VegasRenegade

A doc will want you in the 500-750 range most get nervous at the top end. if you went in before gear you had a good shoot at getting a script now i would suggest not going back to this clinic. my first blood work was 180 got scriprt for 200/week next bl after skiping a week before bw was 1280 doc wanted to change script i wanted to get test lower but have some to save to blast with so talk him into waiting, now i take 100/week and skip week before bw levels 500 doc is happy i am happy. when i want true levels i pay for the test and only i see results.

The thing is, he tells me to clean out then come back in 3wks to start his treatment.Def. going to get my results & go somewhere else!

**Bonaparte** · 05-07-2011, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by sanman

The thing is, he tells me to clean out then come back in 3wks to start his treatment.Def. going to get my results & go somewhere else!

I'm thinking the problem here is that you are asking an HRT doc to prescribe you testosterone replacement therapy...yet you walked in there with numbers that are ideal (for someone who is not using AAS).
If he prescribes you test when your bloodwork shows that you are already on the high side of normal, he will look like a drug dealer and could lose his license.

**sanman** · 05-07-2011, 09:46 PM

I guess your right Bonaparte.But wasnt my intension at all . It was my mistake to take 4 shots before my blood work.

**Bonaparte** · 05-07-2011, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by sanman

I guess your right Bonaparte.But wasnt my intension at all . It was my mistake to take 4 shots before my blood work.

Oh...well then now we have it all figured out:
1) your UGL gear is horribly underdosed.
2) stop taking it if you are trying to get on HRT. Go get tested in 3 weeks and your levels will be in the shitter, then your doc can prescribe you gear that doesn't suck ass.

**sanman** · 05-08-2011, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Oh...well then now we have it all figured out:
1) your UGL gear is horribly underdosed.
2) stop taking it if you are trying to get on HRT. Go get tested in 3 weeks and your levels will be in the shitter, then your doc can prescribe you gear that doesn't suck ass.

Its great advice & thanks!