First Cycle Tips Please

**primetime606** · 05-07-2011, 01:37 PM

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if you can give me some insight on my cycle. This will be my first cycle and my true goal is to cut up. I have some excess fat that I would like to get rid of from bulking up through lots of eating. Right now I am 205 with 16% body fat. I wanna get that down to about 8%. I've done some research and I will def be doin test at 500 MG but what else should/can I do to cut up? I heard tren e or tren ace is good for what I'm looking to do. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Stats
5'11
205 lbs
16% body fat
Working out about 2.5 years

**Windex** · 05-07-2011, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by primetime606

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if you can give me some insight on my cycle. This will be my first cycle and my true goal is to cut up. I have some excess fat that I would like to get rid of from bulking up through lots of eating. Right now I am 205 with 16% body fat. I wanna get that down to about 8%. I've done some research and I will def be doin test at 500 MG but what else should/can I do to cut up? I heard tren e or tren ace is good for what I'm looking to do. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Stats
5'11
205 lbs
16% body fat
Working out about 2.5 years

How old are you ? Need to know your age before anyone will give you constructive criticism.

**higgy** · 05-07-2011, 02:18 PM

Yep bro, we need your age before advising use of any AAS.

But I can tell you that you can definately cut some fat naturally before using any compounds. It's all about your diet right now!

Oh and welcome

**inky-e** · 05-07-2011, 02:55 PM

I would say diet as well...theres alot of misconceptions about aas and fat burning and weight loss...from experience, tren won't get you there..cardio, watch your sodium intake and fat, just eat real clean keep cal's low...good luck

**THE-DET-OAK** · 05-07-2011, 03:11 PM

^^^ yup. besides tren , on a first cycle is not a wise choice.

**Valeron** · 05-07-2011, 03:58 PM

Hello mate,

my friend used USP Labs OxyElite PRO to lose body fat and it really worked. you can do some research on internet. its not a steroid . its a thermogenic supplement which helps to burn fat. but you also need ''a good diet''. try this before steroids .
(my friend finished 1 box and then he gave 2 weeks break then he used 1 more.)

good luck on your way. take care.

**primetime606** · 05-07-2011, 04:06 PM

22 years old

**Windex** · 05-07-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by primetime606

22 years old

You are took young to cycle, your body is still developing. Post your diet in the diet section and work on your training. You still got tons of natural testosterone on your body and with some dedication you could build a great base.

Discipline and dedication are principles that you are going to have to master if you are serious about bodybuilding, being consistent with your diet and training will help you succeed in achieving your goals. Don't have tunnel vision in thinking you will only build muscle if your taking AAS, below are some of the main principles you need to consider before taking any AAS

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.

TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development

DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

From Marcus.

**wantaesthetics** · 05-07-2011, 04:12 PM

Disclaimer: Im new too so take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Most people say you should keep it to test only for the first cycle. And even if you are thinking of using tren they say it is one of the strongest and is better saved for later cycles. Threads I have read also indicate that for beginners test alone will give phenomenal benefits when combined with a solid workout/diet. Now Ive used an oral cycle (which I know learned is a bad idea BTW) to cut with great results. The key is to figure out how much bf you want to cut and to set a deficit keeping in mind you can get away with a larger deficit without losing mass since you're using anabolics (some think this is a waste of the anabolic and think you shouldn't cut using anabolics though). Yea so post in the diet section and they'll give you some details about a cutting diet. Also, make sure you've got the pct down cause that's really important!

good luck man.

^^ edit:wut? 5'11 205 at 16% bf is already a pretty decent base... edit2: age, 22 yea consensus is that's on the young side.