Clen + Winn50 + Var. (need guidence)

**Machinek69** · 05-11-2011, 08:39 PM

Im 26. 225lbs. 5'11" New Comer.

I had trained really hard for about 2 years with tbomb 2 sup.
because of a back injury, I was forced to take a year off.
I got good results and stayed at about 195lbs.
Ive recently Gotten off of Anti Depressants which has been great. Ive Lost 21 LBs in 5 weeks by doing nothing. Simply got off the meds. So im inspired.

My personal trainer Runs Test and winstrol and recommended I start with Clen + Winn50 + Var. as my goal is fat loss. ----- I got the Oral Form From the banner above *im not sure if im aloud to say the name, but from oral steroids .com listed as the summer stack. From what ive read, Mods say these are really good and i wanted my first time to be safe as i get a few cycles under my Belt. I will want Injection in future as i learn more.

Would some one Please Help Guide me in the right direction in regards to how i should be taking this? I'm going for the slingshot method as Ronny has suggested.

Question: Should I be Running Test With this stack? I'm confused as to if these are purposed to be used by them self or that its common knowledge that you use these with test. I'm new and i don't know these things 100% and i appreciate all your time and patience.

Ronny Rowland advises against anti est. when its not needed.
Can some one Please Tell me How i should run this gear and the Winn50? (as in scheduling regarding the 8 week reload/ 2 week unload) I'm new to the slang too so please simple English. I have dont alot of research on here for weeks but some times find conflictions in proper dosing and recovery. etc.

Thank you very very much.

**scotty51312** · 05-11-2011, 10:32 PM

winn50 isn't gear

**Machinek69** · 05-11-2011, 11:29 PM

Well, any advice or corrections are appreciated. Could really use some help with this. Thanks.

**scotty51312** · 05-12-2011, 09:04 AM

Those are powerfull steroid alternatives , thats what the site says. Basically supplements. Run them however the directions say on the bottle. You're pretty safe going that route

**jtuner77** · 05-12-2011, 09:15 AM

First and most important question is what is your BF%? Post pics please. No one will recommend taking AS for weight loss unless you are close to 15-18% body fat already. If not work on your diet and cardio routine. If you are within that range them this should apply.

Winny tabs or winstrol V is what you want. If running tabs take 50mg ED is about right. If you plan on running Winstrol you need to run some Test and yes YOU REALLY SHOULD. Winstrol will surpress/shutdown your testosterone production so you need to bring Test into your body from an outside source.

If you don't want to take shots then don't do steroids , bluntly stated.

If you decide to do this. I would recommend 8-10 weeks.

Wk1 500mg once a week
Wk2 500mg once a week
Wk3 500mg once a week
Wk4 500mg once a week
Wk5 500mg once a week, Winstrol Tabs 50mg ED, Clen 60mg ED, Taurine 1500-2000mg ED
Wk6 500mg once a week, Winstrol Tabs 50mg ED, Clen 80mg ED, Taurine 1500-2000mg ED
Wk7 500mg once a week, Winstrol Tabs 50mg ED, Clen 100mg ED, Taurine 1500-2000mg ED, Keto 2CC ED
Wk8 500mg once a week, Winstrol Tabs 50mg ED, Clen 120mg ED, Taurine 1500-2000mg ED

then you can carry that on into Week 9 & 10 and either raise the Clen if you feel ok with it or level it off. Then make sure you start your PCT and if you want to use some AI or HCG it wouldnt be a bad thing.

**scotty51312** · 05-12-2011, 09:20 AM

Spend some more time reading the educational threads, You have a lot of research to do. In the mean time take the supplements you ordered, spend some time in our diet and training forums. They'll do you much more good than AAS will at the moment

**Machinek69** · 05-12-2011, 12:55 PM

Thank you both very much. I have no problem with taking the shots what so ever. I am at 20percent body fat but i do not have any current photos. I havnt been lazy when it comes to researching. But i wanted some confirmation and support, and i appreciate it. I have been Looking over the forums off and on for a year since my injury. Ive been feeling alot better in my back and recently invested in a really good back brace for Work and for working out. its been an aweful year as ive allways been in decent shape naturally. But of course, thats simply not enough any more. I want to look and feel like you guys do.
I run a clean diet.
thank you very much for your time. I will be running Test along with these "supplements" ugh. I just wasnt sure if these were made for that or as stand alone.

**jtuner77** · 05-12-2011, 12:57 PM

Whatever you do do not run the "supplements" from the place that has the banner at the top. It's a waste Im gonna guess. Get the real stuff or dont do it at all.

**Machinek69** · 05-12-2011, 01:27 PM

I truly thought these were real. Steroid .com has a profile endorsing them. No where on the supplements site did it say they were alt as. No where. I just asked one of the ON LINE help people and that was a complete Joke. They asked me to write the specialists on the site, which i did a week ago with no reply. Ive found numerous places on line that sell injectible Test E and other forms of test. My trainers source is currently in Jail on unrelated legal troubles and was the only one i knew of.
Its not like i can just go ask some guy who obviously is on AS about it and Insult them. Through more research and more posts i hope to have the option of the admins or mods source check for me so i dont get scammed or put my body in danger of fake Injections. I only want the real stuff. I have to take this as a huge lesson. i need to find a source in my area and compare to the Photos the mods have posted here of the real steroids . Thank you all again.

**scotty51312** · 05-12-2011, 01:42 PM

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This is the paragraph at the bottom of the page. So yes it did say supplements.

**Angel of death** · 05-12-2011, 01:45 PM

your body fat is wayyyy too high...lose some more weight naturally then use the clen for finishing touches once you EARN it.

**Machinek69** · 05-12-2011, 04:52 PM

They just got in. Says "this product is not a steroid " right on the side. I guess I was confused because the website us called "buy steroids " .com. not "buy supplements" .com. I didn't read anywhere where 5hey say these are not steroids on their site and I looked really really hard. Will these supplements do anything positive? Thanks againg every one. Big thankss

**Machinek69** · 05-12-2011, 07:14 PM

So. im going to take this stuff. It wasn't the most Unnecessary, costly or worst mistake Ive ever made. its not about money but it is about Hassle and Keeping my spirits up along with encouraging gains. I will train hard for a month or so and drop as much fat as possible and see where my Body fat percentage is before Running Test as suggested by you guys and allot of other threads Ive now visited since talking to you guys. I did really well with T-bomb II. I hope the summer stack is at LEAST comparable some what. Guess ill be watching a lot of Trailer Park Boys on the elliptical. thanks again. gave me a lot to consider and im very glad i posted.

**Machinek69** · 05-12-2011, 07:21 PM

I will also do blood tests before and after 8wk cycle.

**Windex** · 05-12-2011, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Machinek69

So. im going to take this stuff. It wasn't the most Unnecessary, costly or worst mistake Ive ever made. its not about money but it is about Hassle and Keeping my spirits up along with encouraging gains. I will train hard for a month or so and drop as much fat as possible and see where my Body fat percentage is before Running Test as suggested by you guys and allot of other threads Ive now visited since talking to you guys. I did really well with T-bomb II. I hope the summer stack is at LEAST comparable some what. Guess ill be watching a lot of Trailer Park Boys on the elliptical. thanks again. gave me a lot to consider and im very glad i posted.

Dude you don't even know what is in the herbal hocus pocuss steroid alternatives and your going to take it anyways ? There is no reason to, they are just plain rubbish. If you do make gains it will be because of your diet, but you will get a false conception that the pills are what helped, not being on track with diet/training. Then when you plateau you may reconsider real steroids because you have a preconceived notion that pills helped you previously when really you could continue to gain naturally. I might be completely off base in assuming this, in which case I'm sorry, but there is no reason to take what you bought, it's complete rubbish.

**Machinek69** · 05-12-2011, 09:19 PM

You know, i could be off base with this.
Im reading the supplement facts of my Tbomb 2 by mhp, which ive had GREAT success with. Nothing is hidden. No proprietary blend. Seems to tell you every thing that's in it.....

my order that just came in how ever, has 690 mg or Proprietary blend. *dehydropiandosterone, taraxacum officinale, caffeine, vanadyl sulfate, cobamin, iron- for the Winn50...

790 mg of proprietary blend *cla, magnesium, 5-methyl-7-methoxy-isoflavine, veldt-grape, Cinc aspartate For the var 10

No proprietary blend for the clen . Only b12, 50mcg and Clen 577 mg.

I was thinking that if this site supports these supplements, this site that has such wealth of knowledge, could these be all bad or dangerous? Useless? Probably.

Should i not take these at all? I haven't so far. Any one ever take these or equivalent?
thanks.

**scotty51312** · 05-13-2011, 09:06 AM

u bought it, might as well take it. Even if you gain a few from the placebo effect, thats better than throwing money away

**jtuner77** · 05-13-2011, 09:13 AM

Throw the shit away or send it back. Next time do more research and lastly and most importantly did you think that a forum would run a banner for a company that sells steroids or steroid like compounds outright? (tongue in cheek)

Do it right or dont do it at all.

**tnutz** · 05-13-2011, 11:18 AM

Machinek69,
I was in the same boat you as, and went with the "HRT" route, to get legal, albeit expensive Test and real gear. I live in a small town, and have no idea how to get a good, trustworthy source. So until I find one, I am stuck paying a crap load for low cycles on "HRT". Still way better than any OTC stuff though.
I was thinking of trying the Deca or Winn-50 from above site, knowing it's not the real thing, but hoping it could provide some of the same benefits coupled with the Test I am getting. If you do try them, let me know what you think.
Thanks bro.

**Machinek69** · 05-13-2011, 04:02 PM

tnutz. i will let you know. How ever customer service was Awful. The Live Person I spoke to said that because of the Depth of my question i would have to write an expert on the site *my question was weather or not to take this with test.
i would advise against it for sure. But i will let you know.
I know the owner of a gym i went to last year was on as, im going to give him a try before ordering anything else on line. I would suggest going to a real gym. not like a Omni fitness or some social gym like that.