d-bol, test prop, nolvadex anything else?

[sirlancelot]

Hi guys, i'm new at this.
my stats are:
age:24
height:5,7
weight:167lbs (76kg)
training years: on and off for 6 years. (been training and dieting serious for 12 months)
My intention/goal is to put on (22lbs) 10kg of muscle buy doing a couple of cycles and then just trying to maintain what i have naturally. I have gained 22lbs in 2 years through natural training. But i just want a bit of quick bulk up so i don't have to wait another two years.. life's too short to be small haha

I have recently purchased test prop, danabol ds and nolvadex .
do I also need to get clomid or armidex to help kick start my natural testosterone when comming off these?

Also if anyone can recommend details and dosages on stacking this that would help me heaps.

also should I get clenbuterol ?

[songdog]

Well for 1 wats your pct look like? As far as a cycle goes.Use test only 400mg a week is a good start.The reason I say test only.This way if you have a bad reaction.You know wat it is.Being this is your 1st cycle you will grow like a weed if your diet is on.Good luck.

[songdog]

Well for 1 wats your pct look like? As far as a cycle goes.Use test only 400mg a week is a good start.The reason I say test only.This way if you have a bad reaction.You know wat it is.Being this is your 1st cycle you will grow like a weed if your diet is on.Good luck.

[Jfew44]

No to clen if you're bulking. If this is your first cycle, ed injections are not gonna be fun. Im also not a fan of dbol and prop together. Dbol is more of a kickstart to a long estered test. It can be done but its not my preference. nobody is gonna spoonfeed you tho bro. lay out a cycle and we will critique it.

[sirlancelot]

fair enough guys, sorry for being vague. I read some other articles after i posted that and realised that post would probably annoy some people.
ok here is my short story. My BMI is 25.4 (slightly overweight) but i am not concerned as i can see the top part of my abs.
I got my hands on some dbol tablets so i have been taking them for 15 days now ( 3 x 10 mg a day). I noticed some results already so i thought I might as well buy some more stuff. I have taken Test prob about 4 years ago (when i was 20yr) and have no problem with injections. I now have coming in the mail in about 2 weeks 50ml of test prop 500 tablets of danabol DS and a shitload of Nolvadex .

So i was planning on taking the dbol for another couple of weeks till my other stuff arrives. so my cycle would look like this. btw i talk in ml not mgs cos i dont understand mgs for injections?

week 1-4: 30 mgs dbol
week 4-6: take 1 ml of test prop every 3 days and 20mgs of nolvadex every day
week 7-9: take 2ml of test prop every 3 days and 20mgs of nolvadex every day
week 10: take 20 mgs of nolvadex

The end.
Now I realise i will cop some heavy critism for this, but as i said i am a newbie and the more advice the better for. should i include clomid in here?

[sirlancelot]

also my diet looks like this

my diet looks like this:
6am 1 bowl of oats with skim milk and 1 tub yogurt
8am 20g whey protien shake
9.30am- 1 wholemeal roll with 30g tuna or chicken
11.30am- 20g whey protein shake
12.30pm- 200g lean chicken + 1 cup mixed vegies
2.00pm- 1 handful of almonds
3.45pm- 1 can of tuna + 1 apple
4.10pm (preworkout)- 30g maltodextrin with 15g whey and 1 scoop of creatine
4.30pm- weights + 10-20min low intensity cardio
6.20pm (post workout)- 40g maltodextrin with 15g whey
7.00pm- 200g lean chicken + 1 cup vegies
9.00pm- 20g whey protein shake
9.30pm bed

[wmaousley]

Prop on the first cycle? Good luck OP, I guess its go big or go home (talking about all the pinning)

[HawaiianPride.]

Your recovery protocol is poorly planned at best. Head over to the PCT forum and read some of the sticky links they have to offer. First cycles need no more than 1 compound regardless of goals. Test only will perform above and beyond if you play your cards right.

[sirlancelot]

yeah your right it is poorly done. I have been reading more and more on the PCT links. but the problem is alot of it contradicts itself. one will say use nolvadex and clomid, one will say dont use clomid if your using nolva because nolva is better and they are basically the same, one will say i need a SERM and a AI. one will say use L-dex but the other say dont use it with nolva and so on. I'm very new to all this so i dont know what to believe or follow. I hate to ask but can you (or anyone with experience) let me know if this is a good PCT

week 1-4: 30 mgs dbol
week 4-6: take 1 ml of test prop every 3 days and 20mgs of nolvadex every day
week 7-9: take 2ml of test prop every 3 days and 20mgs of nolvadex every day
week 10: Day 1- take 200mgs of clomid and 20 mgs of nolvadex
next 10 days - 50mg clomid with 20mg nolvadex
next 10 day - 50mg clomid

[HawaiianPride.]

that protocol is not logical.

a simple effective protocol to follow when esters leave the body:
clomiphene 25/25/25/25/25
tamox 40/40/20/20/10

basic layout for a basic cycle right there. post pct blood panels to determine how effective it was would be wise.

[sirlancelot]

thanks man, I appreciate the help.
whats your opinion on:
week 4-9: take 200 mgs of test prop every 3 days and 20mgs of nolvadex every day
and then the PCT you suggested starting 3 days after the last prop dose.
clomiphene 25/25/25/25/25
tamox 40/40/20/20/10

is this too much or little of test prop?