Which Test is best?

**jmillwood** · 06-03-2011, 04:51 AM

I'm 22 and am looking to run my first cycle of test. I have taken som PH's but thats it so far. I have done some research but still can't decide just what i want to do. I like the idea of twice a week injections with Cyp or Enth but i dont want the water retention. I'm seriously considering running prop since it doesn't bloat as bad. Also im curious as to how you are supposed to not bloat on prop but you will bloat with Test suspension since there is no ester at all.
I know I'm asking a lot of questions but since this is my forst time I wanna do it right. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

**stpete** · 06-03-2011, 05:16 AM

First you're a little young to be looking at steroids right now. You will be taking a big chance at messing up your HPTA at 22 years old. Running test e or cyp doesn't always mean that you're going to bloat. A lot of that depends on your diet. Typically people(myself included) like to run long esters together,ie:deca /test e, and short esters together like prop/tren for example.
Do some more research and educate yourself a little more before embarking on a cycle. I recommend that you hit the weights hard and get your diet in check first.
Good luck.

**Gucks** · 06-03-2011, 07:17 AM

its generally agreed that u get better results from shorter esters, because u get more actuall steroid per dose and u get a faster action. for ur first cycle i would say enanthate is a safe bet for some good results. u can still bloat on prop and test suspension, from what i know the bloating is more so down to what anti-estrogen u use, wht ur diet is like and what ur cardio is like.

22 is younger then what most people consent as a good age. marcus and alot of other respected guys on here say 24. hoesntly, i dont know enough to give u an answer. it can change alot from person to person. some people's HPTA function is fully developed by 21, others its 25.

**jmillwood** · 06-03-2011, 12:04 PM

I appreciate all the advice so far. Idk if my HTPA function is fully developed yet or not but i do know that I have def stopped growing. I was 6' when I was 12 and so I have only grown ab 3 inches in 10 years.
As far as anti-estrogen goes what would you recommend? and should i run it throughout the entire cycle?

**Windex** · 06-03-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by jmillwood

I appreciate all the advice so far. Idk if my HTPA function is fully developed yet or not but i do know that I have def stopped growing. I was 6' when I was 12 and so I have only grown ab 3 inches in 10 years.
As far as anti-estrogen goes what would you recommend? and should i run it throughout the entire cycle?

You don't need to cycle, you need to go to the diet section and learn how to eat properly and train properly to grow. STEROIDS DO NOTHING EXCEPT BURN A HOLE IN YOUR WALLET WITHOUT PROPER DIET AND TRAINING.

I can't stress that enough. Growth is not just physical, it's also biological. EVERY MALES' HORMONE LEVELS FLUCTUATE SIGNIFICANTLY UNTIL AGE 25. Even after age 25, your hormone levels still change, just not as substantially. For example, I got my test levels checked three weeks ago, got 11.2 when the reference range is 10 - 35, got the levels checked again - Exact same diet and training, new value was 15.3 @ the same reference range.

You need several years of dedicated dieting and training to even have the word steroid as part of your vocabulary. Tendons and ligament tissue and fibres grow SLOWER than muscles. When young idiots and clowns go on steroids, their ego takes over. Don't tell me your the exception because your not. All of a sudden that 225 lb bench press seems like a joke, so they tack on another 40 lbs. By the third rep, their on the ground, in excruciating pain as if they are one of the victims in a Saw movie, because they tore one or both of their rotator cuffs. Guess what happens to this clown ? He gets sent to the hospital, loses most of his muscle mass, drops a good 30 lbs in the hospital since they have trash food and he's sick, oh and the smallest detail - he doesn't get to go to the gym until next year. (P.S. - Physiotherapy isn't cheaper either).

Also, the only way to know you've stopped going is to get X-rays done to see if your growth plates have closed.

**songdog** · 06-03-2011, 12:18 PM

That dont mean nothing.How would you feel in you had no desire for sex or couldnt get it up.Even with Viagra.Then tell me how you would feel.There are a few kids on this board who wish they listened.But who knows you could be next.I dont care

**jmillwood** · 06-03-2011, 12:26 PM

I appreciate what you're saying and ill agree that my diet isnt always great but I'm not training to look great simply to get stronger. While my diet may not be perfect its not bad and as far as training does i think I am doing pretty good. I have been lifting for about 7 years and I have been training and competing as a powerlifter for the past 3. Right now i have a 500 squat, a 320 bench and a 600 DL. Everyday i train I am going for a PR. For me its all about lifting heavier every week. I cant say that i wont want to push myself harder but I have my training plan that I stick to. I am still glad to hear advice and I'm not trying to bash what you are saying at all I just wanted to at least let u know that im not some guy just trying to look good at the beach. I am a serious lifter with my mind on a big total.

**stpete** · 06-03-2011, 12:33 PM

Personal Record every day? Lifting heavier every week? This won't last long...

**jtuner77** · 06-03-2011, 12:34 PM

Well as any lifter will tell you gains aren't created overnight. Equate your growth to running a mile versus a sprint. Keep focused for a few more years and see what you can do, then when the time is right age wise step into some AAS.

**Shol'va** · 06-03-2011, 12:35 PM

You forgot to mention that since his endocrine system will be messed up he will also be on a lifetime of TRT and since most doctors only prescribe Testim or Androgel these days, you will have to bath in that crap every single day and then wait 30 minutes for it to dry on your body before dressing, leaving a feeling like dried jizz on you and then you can no longer be around children cause the stuff rubs off on them causing premature puberty, not to mention not being able to get intimate with your G/F or wife again transferrance factor onto her causing a beard and lower voice box. But go for it....

**jmillwood** · 06-03-2011, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Personal Record every day? Lifting heavier every week? This won't last long...

I didnt mean i lift every day and hope for a PR. I mean everyday that i lift. I have a heavy bench session once a week and a heavy squat session once a week. Also I do a lighter dynamic effort day for bench and squats. Its a powerlifting routine. Strictly for getting stronger. Im not trying to get the best pump and see how many veins will show up. I deload every 4 weeks or so bc that kind of lifting will wear you out. I've been training like this for the past 2 years and my lifts keep going up.

**Windex** · 06-03-2011, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by jmillwood

I appreciate what you're saying and ill agree that my diet isnt always great but I'm not training to look great simply to get stronger. While my diet may not be perfect its not bad and as far as training does i think I am doing pretty good. I have been lifting for about 7 years and I have been training and competing as a powerlifter for the past 3. Right now i have a 500 squat, a 320 bench and a 600 DL. Everyday i train I am going for a PR. For me its all about lifting heavier every week. I cant say that i wont want to push myself harder but I have my training plan that I stick to. I am still glad to hear advice and I'm not trying to bash what you are saying at all I just wanted to at least let u know that im not some guy just trying to look good at the beach. I am a serious lifter with my mind on a big total.

If I had a bottle of Test for every time someone came to the board and gave this story I could actually become a source.

It doesn't matter whether your training to look like Ronnie Coleman or to look like an underwear model, the principle is still the same kid. Diet means everything. A poor diet will make you look worse with steroids . Numbers also mean nothing. I increased my max squat by 50 lbs in 3 weeks, doesn't mean my quads are 3 inches thicker. People get way to hyped over numbers for lifts. Yeah you can Bench 320, but can you bench 320 on incline or decline ? Professional sports got to test you on something, so they picked numbers. For example a linebacker has to squat 1 and a half times his weight or some hocus pocus in University level football in Canada.

You are not going to get any advice on this board regarding Anabolic Steroid use because of your age and dieting. This board does NOT advocate steroid use for those under 25.

If you fix your diet you will improve. You also need to spend a lot more time researching. Any question you could possibly conceive is either answered in the stickies/educational thread, was previously answered and can be found using the search function, or is a question only your Doctor could exclusively answer.

**jmillwood** · 06-03-2011, 12:51 PM

what douse your quads not getting bigger have to do with anything. I dont give a crap how big my quads are. hell one of them is tiny bc i had a knee surgery and couldnt put weight on it for 6 months... Anyway its cool that yall dont want to advocate use for a younger person. I respect that. I was just asking questions to try to get answers. Im getting stronger and just wanted to run a cycle of test. I will say however, no disrespect intended, I dont need advice on how I should be training or results or anything like that. Im sure that my routine is way different than anyone here bc most ppl here are either BB's or just ur average chicken-legged guy that likes to do some quarter squats in the power rack after he is finished curling in it. Its not a squat unless you get parallel and if you wanna get strong do some DL.

**Windex** · 06-03-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by jmillwood

what douse your quads not getting bigger have to do with anything. I dont give a crap how big my quads are. hell one of them is tiny bc i had a knee surgery and couldnt put weight on it for 6 months... Anyway its cool that yall dont want to advocate use for a younger person. I respect that. I was just asking questions to try to get answers. Im getting stronger and just wanted to run a cycle of test. I will say however, no disrespect intended, I dont need advice on how I should be training or results or anything like that. Im sure that my routine is way different than anyone here bc most ppl here are either BB's or just ur average chicken-legged guy that likes to do some quarter squats in the power rack after he is finished curling in it. Its not a squat unless you get parallel and if you wanna get strong do some DL.

I won't try to help you anymore. To think you are the 1 person in the world who doesn't have room for improvement on training shows how ignorant you are. Everyone has a different routine.

Run a cycle of test if you're so inclined, just don't come back a few years later asking why you've been diagnosed with hormone replacement therapy or asking for what excuses to tell girls on why you need a viagra every time to get one up.

Goodluck, you're going to need it.

**jmillwood** · 06-03-2011, 01:22 PM

I dont think that at all I def have room for improvement in my training. I am always looking to better ways to train or something new to try Im just saying that pretty much anyone on here will not like the way I train because its totally different that the way they train. I understand everyone has a different routine. I was simply saying I dont need people telling me I dont train hard enough.

**Honkey_Kong** · 06-03-2011, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by jmillwood

I dont think that at all I def have room for improvement in my training. I am always looking to better ways to train or something new to try Im just saying that pretty much anyone on here will not like the way I train because its totally different that the way they train. I understand everyone has a different routine. I was simply saying I dont need people telling me I dont train hard enough.

Look, these guys were warning you of the dangers you subject yourself to when you do steroids . Trust me, as somebody on TRT, you DO NOT want to be on it. Besides, at your age, you're a testosterone factory still. I suggest you take advantage of that fact while you still can.

**songdog** · 06-03-2011, 10:48 PM

Bump

**clutchking403** · 06-03-2011, 11:09 PM

Do you kno how to pm? do some test prop 50 mg Ed pin with 5/8 25gauge for your delts you won't feel a thing an use a 1 Inc to 1 an a half for Glutes. An run Sum axes Ed or eod at .25 ml run it for 8 weeks Dobt for get about Hcg to keep your nuts goin And a Pct post cycle therapy ... Start using the search feature buddy

**DGK** · 06-03-2011, 11:34 PM

I have only been here a short time but i gotta ask u vets how are u not annoyed with all these young dudes coming here wanting to cycle ? everyday like at least 3 20 yr olds start threads.. its so repetitive and annoying.. how do u guys not just flame em all al the time lol?

**clutchking403** · 06-03-2011, 11:41 PM

In pretty sure the board I for information dude

**clutchking403** · 06-03-2011, 11:43 PM

Is for

**Honkey_Kong** · 06-04-2011, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by DGK

I have only been here a short time but i gotta ask u vets how are u not annoyed with all these young dudes coming here wanting to cycle ? everyday like at least 3 20 yr olds start threads.. its so repetitive and annoying.. how do u guys not just flame em all al the time lol?

I don't blame those kids for WANTING to juice. Let's be honest here, we're all here because we want to be bigger, faster, stronger. But at that same time, these kids need to start listening to the vets on here who know a lot more about steroids than these kids do. They tell them 25 for a good reason, it increases the risks for something bad to happen by a lot. And morally, I don't know if I could live with myself if I instructed a kid on how to do something that can potentially harm them. But they do get flamed a bit.

**DGK** · 06-04-2011, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by clutchking403

Is for

Yes the board is here for information and if they were to take 5 mins and read through the stickys and a few threads they would see that this forum does not condone nor encourage aas before the age of 25. So instead of cluttering up the forum with hundreds of the same threads "im 19 and wanna drink testosterone " only to be told the same answer as the 5 previous threads posted if they just sought the info instead of asking for it to be handed to them they would know that they were not going to get any advice from any vet here other then go to the diet section and wait.

**clutchking403** · 06-04-2011, 07:43 AM

I think I read posts on this board forthree weeks befor I made one

**lovbyts** · 06-04-2011, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

If I had a bottle of Test for every time someone came to the board and gave this story I could actually become a source.

It doesn't matter whether your training to look like Ronnie Coleman or to look like an underwear model, the principle is still the same kid. Diet means everything. A poor diet will make you look worse with steroids . Numbers also mean nothing. I increased my max squat by 50 lbs in 3 weeks, doesn't mean my quads are 3 inches thicker. People get way to hyped over numbers for lifts. Yeah you can Bench 320, but can you bench 320 on incline or decline ? Professional sports got to test you on something, so they picked numbers. For example a linebacker has to squat 1 and a half times his weight or some hocus pocus in University level football in Canada.

You are not going to get any advice on this board regarding Anabolic Steroid use because of your age and dieting. This board does NOT advocate steroid use for those under 25.

If you fix your diet you will improve. You also need to spend a lot more time researching. Any question you could possibly conceive is either answered in the stickies/educational thread, was previously answered and can be found using the search function, or is a question only your Doctor could exclusively answer.

That was funny and true except by now I would be considers a manufacturer. Every time I see a newbie wanting to cycle I just know they are going to also use the I'm done growing, I havent grown since xxx LOL Wait until you are 30 and realize you actually have grown (filled out) a lot since you where in your early 20s. Im SO glad I didnt use. Almost... several times. 18, 22, 25.... I didnt have people like this around to talk me out of it, I just got lucky. I have read 100s of post since I have been here of kids/young adults who knew they where the exception to the rule until 3, 6, 10+ months after cycle and they are having ED or other issues they cant get over or explain besides being depressed due to loosing all their gains, mood swings and their dick is only good for peeing...

Good luck

**Windex** · 06-04-2011, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by clutchking403

Do you kno how to pm? do some test prop 50 mg Ed pin with 5/8 25gauge for your delts you won't feel a thing an use a 1 Inc to 1 an a half for Glutes. An run Sum axes Ed or eod at .25 ml run it for 8 weeks Dobt for get about Hcg to keep your nuts goin And a Pct post cycle therapy... Start using the search feature buddy

It's against board rules to advise anyone (whether good or bad advise) on steroid use if they are under 25.

**Honkey_Kong** · 06-04-2011, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

That was funny and true except by now I would be considers a manufacturer. Every time I see a newbie wanting to cycle I just know they are going to also use the I'm done growing, I havent grown since xxx LOL Wait until you are 30 and realize you actually have grown (filled out) a lot since you where in your early 20s. Im SO glad I didnt use. Almost... several times. 18, 22, 25.... I didnt have people like this around to talk me out of it, I just got lucky. I have read 100s of post since I have been here of kids/young adults who knew they where the exception to the rule until 3, 6, 10+ months after cycle and they are having ED or other issues they cant get over or explain besides being depressed due to loosing all their gains, mood swings and their dick is only good for peeing...

Good luck

It's sad that those kids do that shit, but you have to also look at it like this. For every 10 or 20 guys who come on here looking to cycle, maybe one or two of them are talked out of it by the people on here. I read some threads where some vets were saying that they even got private messages of these same kids thanking them for explaining the risks and talking them out of it. Those same kids probably without a site like this would've used a hookup at the gym for all their info on steroids and possibly ****ed themselves up real good.

**clutchking403** · 06-04-2011, 07:09 PM

You again with the rules hahaha

**TOkidd** · 06-04-2011, 09:17 PM

I'm wondering why, if the original poster is still increasing his strength consistently, does he want to go on steroids ? Honestly, I don't see the point of taking the stuff if you're still growing naturally.
I'll admit, I did a ten-week cycle of Deca when I was 22, nine years ago, and though I don't have any regrets about it, I wouldn't think someone who's still making progress in the gym needs to do it. At 22 I had been training for four years, and as a tall, lean ectomorph with a super-fast metabolism, gaining muscle was a struggle. After four years of training my progress had stalled for months and I was losing my motivation. The Deca cycle helped me put on 15 pounds of muscle which I kept after the cycle, and kept me from giving up. However, just because I did it without any problems doesn't mean you'll have the same results. IMO, if your lifts are really what you say they are and you're still growing, consider yourself lucky and lay off the gear until you really need it - when you're older and you hit the limits of your genetic potential.

TOkidd