First Cycle At 18!

**idude** · 06-02-2011, 09:58 AM

Hey,
I'm gonna be starting my cycle soon, I just wanted to come here incase it needs modifying to it.

So here's my plan as first cycle.

Weeks 1-5 25-50mg dbol every day in 3 divided doses
Weeks 1-5 0.5mg Arimidex every other day
Weeks 6-8 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid every day

Let me know what you think

**SlimmerMe** · 06-02-2011, 10:02 AM

PLEASE STOP!!! NO NO NO!!!

18 is way too early for a cycle!

What are your other stats please~

**MBMETC** · 06-02-2011, 10:03 AM

i think your pee pee is gonna stop working, your too young dont mess around with your hormones.

**SlimmerMe** · 06-02-2011, 10:04 AM

The Young and Steroids
by Marcus300

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

**idude** · 06-02-2011, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

PLEASE STOP!!! NO NO NO!!!

18 is way too early for a cycle!

What are your other stats please~

5'8 160LB.

That is a very good cycle

**JimmySidewalk** · 06-02-2011, 10:06 AM

Steroids are out of the question my friend. I dont think you would like to be obligated to keep TRT poking for another 70 years because of a mistake in your youth years. And that's just one thing, a whole variety of problems cand occur starting that young.

Diet ?

Later edit: at 5.8' and 160 your diet surely isnt what its suposed to be. Turning to steroids would not help with anything if you dont eat. Steroids are just a little part of the big picture.
Muscles are built in the kitchen.

**SlimmerMe** · 06-02-2011, 10:06 AM

Here is the deal: you already have a ton of hormones. You are at your peak. Why mess with a good thing? Taking steroids could shut down your own test production since you would be relying on the synthetic. Then you would be coming here begging for help and might end up in the Over 40 forum.

How is your diet? and your training?

**idude** · 06-02-2011, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by SlimmerMe

Here is the deal: you already have a ton of hormones. You are at your peak. Why mess with a good thing? Taking steroids could shut down your own test production since you would be relying on the synthetic. Then you would be coming here begging for help and might end up in the Over 40 forum.

How is your diet? and your training?

Both diet and training are in very good hand!

**SlimmerMe** · 06-02-2011, 10:09 AM

Are you looking to bulk? You are only 160 pounds. Taking steroids will not help you keep any gains.

What are you eating?

**MBMETC** · 06-02-2011, 10:34 AM

Deffinately need to learn how to manipulate your diet (bulk or cut) so when you are ready to cycle you will be knowlagable enough about your body to keep as much of your gains as possible. please reconsider and learn to diet..
good luck

**wilsonw25** · 06-02-2011, 10:42 AM

Way too young. Take advantage of your natural test levels while you have them. You wont keeps barely any of yours gains cycling at 160 lbs and your cycle plan is poor at best. Start doing research on here and make sure your diet, training, and AGE are all in order. Im 24.. what some would say too young to start cycling even. Pretty much at the bare minimun. Im 5' 7-8"and didnt start cycleing until I was over 200 lbs NATURALLY with 11% BF. Read all the threads on this forum and educate yourself man before you do some serious damage to your endocrine system. STEROIDS ARE NOT A MIRACLE DRUG.

**brad1986** · 06-02-2011, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by idude

5'8 160LB.

That is a very good cycle

haha that is a terrible cycle!! obviously you know nothing about what your doing. A dbol only cycle is stupid, you wont keep your gains, your weiner wont work for months if not ever again. Even if you were 25 that would be a redicules cycle. hit the diet section and do more research on what your putting in your body. Looking good for 2 months is not worth the disaster that follows a dbol only cycle and an 18yr old shutting down his hpta system

**MBMETC** · 06-02-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by brad1986

haha that is a terrible cycle!! obviously you know nothing about what your doing. A dbol only cycle is stupid, you wont keep your gains, your weiner wont work for months if not ever again. Even if you were 25 that would be a redicules cycle. hit the diet section and do more research on what your putting in your body. Looking good for 2 months is not worth the disaster that follows a dbol only cycle and an 18yr old shutting down his hpta system

well said, brother

**RoidReaper** · 06-02-2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by idude

Hey,
I'm gonna be starting my cycle soon, I just wanted to come here incase it needs modifying to it.

So here's my plan as first cycle.

Weeks 1-5 25-50mg dbol every day in 3 divided doses
Weeks 1-5 0.5mg Arimidex every other day
Weeks 6-8 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid every day

Let me know what you think

You know there comes a point to where telling these kids the same shit over and over again, just gets really annoying. Because im sure you guys remember at 18 "You knew it all". Already we know the kid is going to do the cycle if he hasnt started it already. Is say let people learn the hard way.

Ive said it countless of times and ill say it again..

Your too young to cycle, dbol only is stupid. Your not eating enough if your not gaining. Once you stop dbol, say bye bye to all your muscle gains.

**SlimmerMe** · 06-02-2011, 11:31 AM

Come on over to the Diet Question forum where the guys will get your diet in check and then WOW! You will have the body you want to have. Hey! If I had to end up there then so does everybody else!

See ya there......

**silex** · 06-02-2011, 11:34 AM

a buddy of mine did his first cycle at 18 and didnt do any pct, now his body is screwed, so he just keeps cycling over and over again just making it worse. wait untill ur atleast 21 man so u dont destroy ur body.

**JAB1** · 06-02-2011, 11:38 AM

This is a troll post if Ive ever seen one!!

**RoidReaper** · 06-02-2011, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by silex

a buddy of mine did his first cycle at 18 and didnt do any pct, now his body is screwed, so he just keeps cycling over and over again just making it worse. wait untill ur atleast 21 man so u dont destroy ur body.

Well im sure his body would have recovered, but he probably went through a crash stage got all depressed, couldnt deal with it and jumped back on cycle.

Thats why PCT is a nice thing to have!!!! lol.

**brad1986** · 06-02-2011, 11:44 AM

You can tell hes a troll by the title of his post. He was obvioulsy askin for it

**silex** · 06-02-2011, 11:47 AM

reaper u are exactly right he got major depression stoped going to the gym and everything for about 3 months and just chilled at home doing nothing at all.

**RoidReaper** · 06-02-2011, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by silex

reaper u are exactly right he got major depression stoped going to the gym and everything for about 3 months and just chilled at home doing nothing at all.

Thats what happens. Thats why alot of people dont like to come off AAS, due to hormonal crash. No energy, decreased sex drive. And that shit takes months to come back even with a good PCT. Longer without one though. Then people become couch potatoes and dont workout and get small. Lazyness due to lack of energy.

**justify** · 06-02-2011, 12:05 PM

He just want attention. Well you got it. Imo i dont think you are
That stupid to do Steroids at 18.

**cyounger100** · 06-02-2011, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by brad1986

haha that is a terrible cycle!! obviously you know nothing about what your doing. A dbol only cycle is stupid, you wont keep your gains, your weiner wont work for months if not ever again. Even if you were 25 that would be a redicules cycle. hit the diet section and do more research on what your putting in your body. Looking good for 2 months is not worth the disaster that follows a dbol only cycle and an 18yr old shutting down his hpta system

exactly what he said but OP is 18 he want fckin listen not sure why i even read the garbage they post

**bass** · 06-02-2011, 02:02 PM

guys, this 18 yo is pulling your legs! i been seeing way too many posts like this and i am beginning to believe they're just playing with us!

**marcus300** · 06-02-2011, 02:08 PM

You really need to listen to everyone who as posted,

steroids are not for you, learn how to eat to grow and use what you have naturally

best of lcuk

**bruary17** · 06-02-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by idude

Hey,
I'm gonna be starting my cycle soon, I just wanted to come here incase it needs modifying to it.

So here's my plan as first cycle.

Weeks 1-5 25-50mg dbol every day in 3 divided doses
Weeks 1-5 0.5mg Arimidex every other day
Weeks 6-8 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid every day

Let me know what you think

Truly sick of all the little retards who''s balls just dropped, and now they want to hop on steroids with their undedicated, uneducated asses.

I say go for it! Get Bitch tits, fvck up your endo, need TRT for the rest of your life, go bald, lose the ability to ever have kids, lose the ability to get a decent boner. And when your done, come back here and post your life long side effects so I can laugh at them. Idiots.

**upperhandy** · 06-02-2011, 03:18 PM

**Floydian** · 06-02-2011, 07:23 PM

only d-bol cycle? stop ! that cycle sucks

**Rizdizzle** · 06-02-2011, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by idude

5'8 160LB.

That is a very good cycle

You obviously know all you need to know about steroids ..... You are about to do an oral only cycle!

**The Polish Prince** · 06-02-2011, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by bruary17;565***6

Truly sick of all the little retards who''s balls just dropped, and now they want to hop on steroids with their undedicated, uneducated asses.

I say go for it! Get Bitch tits, fvck up your endo, need TRT for the rest of your life, go bald, lose the ability to ever have kids, lose the ability to get a decent boner. And when your done, come back here and post your life long side effects so I can laugh at them. Idiots.

LMAO!!! This post wins...

**Valeron** · 06-03-2011, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300;565***0

You really need to listen to everyone who as posted,

steroids are not for you, learn how to eat to grow and use what you have naturally

best of lcuk

'' learn how to eat to grow and use what you have naturally''

one of the best and simple quote i have ever read.

**Honkey_Kong** · 06-03-2011, 04:48 PM

Idude, you know you might make some gains eating food EVERY DAY? Hit up the dieting and training sections of this site and in 7 years if you do what they tell you to and still want to cycle, we'll help you out then.

**songdog** · 06-03-2011, 05:06 PM

Does your mommy and daddy know wat you are doing?

**Koozer** · 06-03-2011, 06:21 PM

Well I can give you my example as to what can be done before you even think about using gear. I started weight training at 15 and I got gains in strength and size up to 25 but I grew the best between 18 and 24 because I became serious about intense training and eating not to mention all that natural test my body was making. If I had the knowledge that can be found here on proper training methods and proper diet at that time I can't imagine how much better my gains could have been! On the other side of the coin with the same information here I have gone from 255 pounds with very high blood pressure to below 200 pounds with excellent blood pressure. I went from 160 pounds at 15 to 225 pounds at 25. Yes you are right that is 10 years not the instant gratifacation that you are looking for. I never touched gear untill I was almost 26 years old and am really lucky I never screwed myself up. Had I have had the funds when I was younger I probably would have done them sooner and I can't imagine how bad off I would be now at 42. If you put in the effort in the gym and in your diet you can have something that will benifit you for life not just 2 or 3 months on the beach.

**Honkey_Kong** · 06-03-2011, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Does your mommy and daddy know wat you are doing?

You know this is the best advice to give a kid who is thinking about juicing. Tell your old man what your plan is, IDude. If he doesn't beat the living **** out of you for even thinking about doing it, then you have my blessing.

**choo9** · 06-06-2011, 12:54 PM

He'll be done with his dbol by the time he gets around to reading all these posts. Must be friends with the dude whose cycle consisted exclusively of 30 winny tabs.

**RoidReaper** · 06-06-2011, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by choo9

He'll be done with his dbol by the time he gets around to reading all these posts. Must be friends with the dude whose cycle consisted exclusively of 30 winny tabs.

Probably one of his dumbass friends who takes tren by itself.

**Machinek69** · 06-07-2011, 10:41 PM

These guys dont know what theyre talking about man. Your cycle is great and if you already have all these hormones going, how can adding more possibly be a bad thing? The trick is Loading your bong with Dbol *an also tren . of course. The gear is kept in like Bong water. Then you load your pct and light it up. It will filter through the Gear and give you the exact amount you need. No measuring or pins or fear of liver trouble. Now.. these guys are going to tell you im joking. but this is the truth and you should totaly do this and post pictures of your amazing gains! Also. If you do inject. Make sure its intra-Testicular. This is the trick all these fools wont tell you.

**ThE DarK KnighT** · 06-07-2011, 11:04 PM

Like i said to the other kid. Too young dude. When your AT LEAST...25 years old, and have more experience under your belt, come back. Also, not for nothing...but you did not even give your stats. You do not need juice. You prob will not listen to us anyways, but just remember. If you start juicing now, before your fully developed...you will only be hurting yourself in the long run, and screw up your body's natural Test production. Do you really want to to be on viagra at 28 because you cant get your dick hard, and or have male pattern balding along a with some other possible sides. WAIT OFF, its not worth it yet, just lift naturally.