Planning for a second cycle. Could use some help.

**TOkidd** · 06-09-2011, 11:52 AM

whatsup guys,

I was hoping to get some help dialing in an upcoming cycle. I've done a cycle of Deca , 400mg/week for 10 weeks, but that was nine years ago. Things have changed a lot since then, especially concerning AI drugs and PCT. I was hoping the vets here could take a look at questions and provide some feedback.

1. I'm 31-years-old, am weighing in at 207 right now, at a height of 6'3". Bodyfat is very low, but I'm not sure on exact %. I just did a blood test to check my test, and the nurse told me it was low for my age. She got distracted and never ended up giving my the exact number, but she said it was low, so I don't know what to think. I've been training since 2008, with a lengthy hiatus between 2004 and 2010, but I've been back in the gym for 16 months now, and have been going hard and heavy for four months. I'm not ready to start my cycle at this point, but I want to start my research early, find a solid source, and prepare myself well in advance, which is why I'm asking these questions now and not months from now. This way I have plenty of time to get everything dialed in.

2. I'm looking for a serious bulking cycle. My ideal weight is 230 pounds ripped. I'm definitely going to run test E. at 500mg/week for between 8 and 12 weeks. On top of that, I'd like to add an oral to kick-start my cycle, but I'm torn between D-bol and Anadrol . Having read about Anadrol, I'm very intrigued by its properties. The side effects don't bother me for the most part, so this isn't a factor when choosing between the two. My main concern is building quality muscle and lots of it. So my question is, which compound would you recommend, at what dosage, and for how long?

3. My third question pertains to gyno, which is the side effect I am truly concerned with. I've done quite a lot of reading on this topic and just end up getting more confused. I'm not concerned about bloating and other side effects. These days there are so many different compounds available to prevent steroid side effects, but since I'm only worried about gyno what would be the best drug (and preferably the least expensive) to prevent it during my cycle? A drug that didn't hurt my gains would also be great. In the past Nolvadex and Arimidex were the go-to drugs for this. The newer stuff is pricey, and I'd rather not spend as much on PCT and AI drugs as I do on gear, so if anyone has recommendations that would be great. Also, what kind of dosage would I be looking at? Would I take it every day at the first sign of gyno and continue to take every day until the cycle is finished? Or would I take it until the symptoms of gyno disappear, and then lay off of it until signs of gyno return?

I'm really hoping some of the vets can help me answer my questions. I've done my reading, but these questions remain and I haven't been able to get definitive answers to them. If those who know can help me out I'd be truly thankful.

peace

TOkidd

**TOkidd** · 06-09-2011, 06:28 PM

bump

**Koozer** · 06-09-2011, 08:20 PM

The newer stuff is pricey, and I'd rather not spend as much on PCT and AI drugs as I do on gear Sorry but this to me makes no sense as the compounds that can reduce or perhaps eliminate your sides and help you regain proper hormone levels after cycling should be of first priority. I know times are tough for a lot of people these days but it is money well spent towards your future health.

**TOkidd** · 06-10-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Koozer

The newer stuff is pricey, and I'd rather not spend as much on PCT and AI drugs as I do on gear Sorry but this to me makes no sense as the compounds that can reduce or perhaps eliminate your sides and help you regain proper hormone levels after cycling should be of first priority. I know times are tough for a lot of people these days but it is money well spent towards your future health.

Understood. But I'm still unclear on which compound(s) I should be taking during the cycle for gyno, how often, etc. There are so many different drugs out there, but I'm wondering which would be the best if gyno was your only concern. Also, If anyone out there has experience with both D-bol and A-Drol and could make a recommendation based on my requirements it would be very helpful.

Thank-you

**Windex** · 06-10-2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by TOkidd

Understood. But I'm still unclear on which compound(s) I should be taking during the cycle for gyno, how often, etc. There are so many different drugs out there, but I'm wondering which would be the best if gyno was your only concern. Also, If anyone out there has experience with both D-bol and A-Drol and could make a recommendation based on my requirements it would be very helpful.

Thank-you

Read Swifto's two PCT threads, it's pretty clear. Setting up a PCT is easy

Step (1): Pick an AI (Armidex or Aromasin ) and run it EOD or ED if needed for every week of the cycle
Step (2): Run HCG @ 500 IU's (2x 250 IU / wk) or 750 IU's (3x 250 IU/wk) or 1000 IU's (2x 500 IU/wk) for every week of the cycle
Step (3) Your PCT will be composed of two SERMS. Your options are : Nolvadex , Torem, and Clomid
Step (4): Run your serms at "high doses" (120 mg/day for Torem, 100mg/day Clomid, 40mg/day for Nolva) for 2 weeks + 2 weeks at half dose or 6 weeks at a half dose.
Step (5): Start your PCT based on the ester of your Test
Step (6): Do NOT Run HCG or an AI with your SERMS

Apply the above for any cycle lasting 14 weeks or less.

**Windex** · 06-10-2011, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by TOkidd

whatsup guys,

I was hoping to get some help dialing in an upcoming cycle. I've done a cycle of Deca , 400mg/week for 10 weeks, but that was nine years ago. Things have changed a lot since then, especially concerning AI drugs and PCT. I was hoping the vets here could take a look at questions and provide some feedback.

1. I'm 31-years-old, am weighing in at 207 right now, at a height of 6'3". Bodyfat is very low, but I'm not sure on exact %. I just did a blood test to check my test, and the nurse told me it was low for my age. She got distracted and never ended up giving my the exact number, but she said it was low, so I don't know what to think. I've been training since 2008, with a lengthy hiatus between 2004 and 2010, but I've been back in the gym for 16 months now, and have been going hard and heavy for four months. I'm not ready to start my cycle at this point, but I want to start my research early, find a solid source, and prepare myself well in advance, which is why I'm asking these questions now and not months from now. This way I have plenty of time to get everything dialed in.

Start by reading every single educational thread and sticky, that should keep you busy for a while. Use the search function too, any question you could possibly conceive has already been answered. That's not to say nobody here will help you, but reading a bit and trying to implement what you've learned will go a long way. Also, when you do find a source make sure you really trust this individual or company. As a fellow Ontarian, I can tell you there are two fake Pharmaceuticals / UGL's that copy two real Canadian UGL. Post your picture in the Member's pictures forums as your bodyfat% is one piece of info you need to help shape your diet. You will need more than just Test levels checked as well (Specifically - read "Everything you need to know about bloodwork" for a more indepth list.

2. I'm looking for a serious bulking cycle. My ideal weight is 230 pounds ripped. I'm definitely going to run test E. at 500mg/week for between 8 and 12 weeks. On top of that, I'd like to add an oral to kick-start my cycle, but I'm torn between D-bol and Anadrol . Having read about Anadrol, I'm very intrigued by its properties. The side effects don't bother me for the most part, so this isn't a factor when choosing between the two. My main concern is building quality muscle and lots of it. So my question is, which compound would you recommend, at what dosage, and for how long?

Again, read the stickies + educational threads. Bulking and Cutting is going to be heavily determined by dieting, training, and cardio. Without an optimal diet, you will just put on water weight or fat, or lose muscle, or lose all your gains by the time PCT comes along. Steroids aren't magic pills or oils. Alone, they will do nothing except burn your wallet. I wouldn't qualify your past Deca cycle (which your lucky to have not devleoped Erectile Dysfunction from) as a real cycle. For this reason, a beginner cycle should be Testosterone only. You need to be able to fully assess how Test affects your body because you need this compound in every single future cycle (Read Test Beginner Cycle Info).

3. My third question pertains to gyno, which is the side effect I am truly concerned with. I've done quite a lot of reading on this topic and just end up getting more confused. I'm not concerned about bloating and other side effects. These days there are so many different compounds available to prevent steroid side effects, but since I'm only worried about gyno what would be the best drug (and preferably the least expensive) to prevent it during my cycle? A drug that didn't hurt my gains would also be great. In the past Nolvadex and Arimidex were the go-to drugs for this. The newer stuff is pricey, and I'd rather not spend as much on PCT and AI drugs as I do on gear, so if anyone has recommendations that would be great. Also, what kind of dosage would I be looking at? Would I take it every day at the first sign of gyno and continue to take every day until the cycle is finished? Or would I take it until the symptoms of gyno disappear, and then lay off of it until signs of gyno return?

Read my previous post & the PCT Stickies. If you read all 15 pages of Swifto's PCT Q&A thread you should have everything answered, it's an extremely rewarding read-through. If your not willing to spend money on the PCT drugs then remove steroids from your vocabulary and stick to dieting and training. There is no cheap alternative, and this is your body your talking about. You need to take these drugs to restore your hormone level properly and prevent gyno from occuring. Even though we live in Canada, Ontario Health Care does not cover gyno surgery. It's also a few thousand dollars FYI. Would you rather pay for this surgery or a few hundred dollars on a PCT ? Ar-R has everything you need for PCT except HCG. I would use them as they have been operating for many years and have proven to be effective, legit, and you will receive your products (Despite Canada having the most anal customs in the world).

I'm really hoping some of the vets can help me answer my questions. I've done my reading, but these questions remain and I haven't been able to get definitive answers to them. If those who know can help me out I'd be truly thankful.

peace

TOkidd