Lookin for someone who knows about Tren and the Endo system

**DRAMBRO** · 06-09-2011, 10:00 AM

Tren only cycle sept to nov....pct after ending jan 1st

APRIL BLOOODWORK
Total test 791 rangle 250 to 1100
Free Test 80 range 15 to 55
FSH 9.1 range 1. 6 to 8.0
LH 9.7 rannge 1.6 to 9.6

SHHBG 51 range 8 to 49
estradiol 55 12 to 55
prloactin 2.1 range 2.1 to 18.0
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JUNE 1st BLOOODWORK
Total Test 601 range 250-1100
Free test 63 range 15 to 155

FSH 8.0 1.6 to 8.0
LH 9.9 1.6 to 9.6

SHBG 57 8 to 49
ESTRADIOL 61 12 to 55
porlactin 7.9 2.0 to 18.0
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how did my blooodwork get worse..

not takin anything....

libido and Ed still a major isssue

besides a pititaury tumor...any advice on what may be happening.,.,best way to treat this....or hypothesis of whats goin on...

have a MRI scheduled for next week

**DRAMBRO** · 06-09-2011, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by DRAMBRO

Tren only cycle sept to nov....pct after ending jan 1st

APRIL BLOOODWORK
Total test 791 rangle 250 to 1100
Free Test 80 range 15 to 55
FSH 9.1 range 1. 6 to 8.0
LH 9.7 rannge 1.6 to 9.6

SHHBG 51 range 8 to 49
estradiol 55 12 to 55
prloactin 2.1 range 2.1 to 18.0
-----------------------------------------------------

JUNE 1st BLOOODWORK
Total Test 601 range 250-1100
Free test 63 range 15 to 155

FSH 8.0 1.6 to 8.0
LH 9.9 1.6 to 9.6

SHBG 57 8 to 49
ESTRADIOL 61 12 to 55
porlactin 7.9 2.0 to 18.0
-----------------------------------------------------

how did my blooodwork get worse..

not takin anything....

libido and Ed still a major isssue

besides a pititaury tumor...any advice on what may be happening.,.,best way to treat this....or hypothesis of whats goin on...

have a MRI scheduled for next week

please help

**DRAMBRO** · 06-09-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by DRAMBRO

please help

If an estradiol and shbg level are HIGHER THAN a free test level..would that cause the low libido..impotence im feeling

**DRAMBRO** · 06-09-2011, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by DRAMBRO

If an estradiol and shbg level are HIGHER THAN a free test level..would that cause the low libido..impotence im feeling

? anyone..anyone

**Lemonada8** · 06-09-2011, 07:51 PM

oh definately, the more estro u have the less libido u have.

Im thinkin ur DHT got downregulated to much thats why ur havin issues.

maybe high androgen thereapy would work, to over flow ur body of test to up the reduction to DHT... but definately use a AI during to help keep it from goin to estro

**DRAMBRO** · 06-10-2011, 02:08 PM

Lemonada.

do u think an aggresive 10 week cycle of Test prob with Aramasin during it
followed by HCG ...clomid and nolva would get me closer to normal

high estrogen and DHT downregulation messed me up alot...****in tren !

**Lemonada8** · 06-10-2011, 04:10 PM

i think 10 weeks may be too much esp with prop. u may be good with a 6 week but high dose to get ur DHT up.

def run aromasin thru it so u get no rebound

use hcg thru cycle and clomid/nolva pct

this is what i would say. From what ive seen on high androgen therapy, u overflow test so u get more DHT conversion...
although i usually go against it, u may have success w/ running a gram a week but that would kill ur future cycles..

**spywizard** · 06-10-2011, 04:47 PM

r u seeing an endo dr for all this??

**DRAMBRO** · 06-10-2011, 04:58 PM

Yes///

But endo has no clue why i cant get an erection and have no libido

he says although my estardiol and shbg are high///the fact that i have NO LIBIDO is astounding to him

he said my levels are high...but he has seen people with much higher have normal libido/boners

**DRAMBRO** · 06-10-2011, 04:59 PM

lemonada..

my bottles are in CCS...what do u mean by a gram

and why would it kill me in futiure cycles..please advise

**Lemonada8** · 06-10-2011, 06:47 PM

*spy
yea he is, im tryin to throw my 2cents in and hes checking and askin doc also.

lol u know what imean by a gram

1000mg a week

it would raise ur AR to match the amount of test in ur system which yes would build muscle but think of it as a non shrinkin vag... once its tapped by a big man, the lil ones just dont cut it as much.
doing a gram is senseless, except in some very heavy cases which IMO would be due to going to strong and not stacking... im gonna hit that thread later tonite when i have more time lol... but yea doing a gram would A) increase recovery time because the downregulation of the AR is slower than the upregulation and B) present alot more sides, depending on how much over ur natty threshold u go over

the reason i said to do the gram would be to try to up the Dht conversion, cuz it will stay constant to a ratio and that ratio changes slowly naturally, since u did tren only cycle u downregulated that DHT so now u have libido issues. By doinga gram you would increase the DHT conversion, which would *in theory* raise DHT levels back to normalness and with a proper PCT, strong pct, that when u came back natty that ratio would be corrected.

also, instead u may want to ask if u can get Winny. that is a DHT replacement, and will lower Shbg...

^ just a recap for those who havent been following the whole issue

**DRAMBRO** · 06-11-2011, 09:21 AM

wow lemonada..sounds like a good game plan..im gonna bring this up to him on the 26th

**gymfu** · 06-11-2011, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

*spy
yea he is, im tryin to throw my 2cents in and hes checking and askin doc also.

lol u know what imean by a gram

1000mg a week

it would raise ur AR to match the amount of test in ur system which yes would build muscle but think of it as a non shrinkin vag... once its tapped by a big man, the lil ones just dont cut it as much.
doing a gram is senseless, except in some very heavy cases which IMO would be due to going to strong and not stacking... im gonna hit that thread later tonite when i have more time lol... but yea doing a gram would A) increase recovery time because the downregulation of the AR is slower than the upregulation and B) present alot more sides, depending on how much over ur natty threshold u go over

the reason i said to do the gram would be to try to up the Dht conversion, cuz it will stay constant to a ratio and that ratio changes slowly naturally, since u did tren only cycle u downregulated that DHT so now u have libido issues. By doinga gram you would increase the DHT conversion, which would *in theory* raise DHT levels back to normalness and with a proper PCT, strong pct, that when u came back natty that ratio would be corrected.

also, instead u may want to ask if u can get Winny. that is a DHT replacement, and will lower Shbg...

^ just a recap for those who havent been following the whole issue

Your a genius.
Please explain why the DHT would be the issue? I thought we wanted to keep DHT low due to it's binding to the hair on your scalp and causing premature baldness?

**Lemonada8** · 06-11-2011, 10:37 AM

if you have the genes for MPB then yes stay away from dht compounds it will accelerate the thinning of hair.

but dht has a big role is sexual function also, it grows the penis, resposible for sensitivity, and for rock hardness boner

this issue has been like 4 different threads

but he did get DHT levels checked and they are very low. progesterone's inhibit the 5AR naturally, and by doing a tren only cycle *which is a progestin, or synthetic progesterone basically* acted like natural progesterone and inhibited the 5ar.

Limp dick, fina dick, deca dick are all the same thing due to DHT.
Fina blocks DHT conversion, deca converts to DHN which is weaker than DHT, and limp dick is what u get lol

since tren is 5x more potent than T, it binded to the AR much better, then when it didnt reduce to DHT thats what downregulated the enzyme and now when T binds, he cant make enough DHT.

just another reason why test base is so important, u may be lucky but to take the chance of drambro's issues... no way in he*L