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**DPDESIGN** · 06-29-2011, 09:14 AM

Need some input from you VETS. Ive done many cycles but My last cycle was exactly one year ago, I ended with a test and deca cycle. I developed some gyno at the end and tried everything to get rid of it. I want to start a test only cycle next month, will the gyno grow or will it stay where it is now?

**Damuscleman2011** · 06-29-2011, 09:23 AM

you should be able to clear it up as long as the scare tissue isnt infected. Someone posted a gyno nuke programe, its a lil over kill but if you follow what he took at the levels he took, I bet it will clear up but im not a doctor but I did watch House MD every night, so im pretty much in med school....LMAO k im full of shit but I hope this helps reduce manboobs!

**gixxerboy1** · 06-29-2011, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Damuscleman2011

you should be able to clear it up as long as the scare tissue isnt infected. Someone posted a gyno nuke programe, its a lil over kill but if you follow what he took at the levels he took, I bet it will clear up but im not a doctor but I did watch House MD every night, so im pretty much in med school....LMAO k im full of shit but I hope this helps reduce manboobs!

seriously? The tissue infected? Please stop giving advice if you dont know.

OP. There is a letro protocol that you may try.
Also your gyno could have been caused my progesterone from the deca

**DPDESIGN** · 06-29-2011, 09:44 AM

I took Letro on my PCT after the deca cycle and no luck, if I take it now will I see some kind of result or is it too late now?

**Damuscleman2011** · 06-29-2011, 04:32 PM

Scare tissue cant get infected?

**Damuscleman2011** · 06-29-2011, 04:34 PM

Oops scar, I love puttin e's on every word, damn speaking french has ruined my spekling in both languages?

**ACE5HIGH** · 06-29-2011, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Damuscleman2011

Scare tissue cant get infected?

Anyway.....

OP, you mentioned letro during PCT, what did your PCT look like and how long? Also, did you use a SERM or an AI during your last cycle?

**Damuscleman2011** · 06-29-2011, 06:43 PM

Im not tryin to be sarcastic or a know it all. I am just tryin to get involved in the dialect. No need to be a douche to show your superior knowledge. I was informing dpdesign of a previous days post. And was tryin to say if it is infected around the scar tissue you need that looked at. Didnt know I needed scientific evidence to speak out in a forum but I get the hint. Hope that helps dpdesign cause when I read the "nuke gyno" post it answered s lotta questions I had so I just wanted to share it with ya bro... Laterz and good luck!!!

**gixxerboy1** · 06-29-2011, 06:48 PM

well gyno isny scar tissue

**Damuscleman2011** · 06-29-2011, 07:20 PM

But dont you develop scar tissue over time? From the gyno. Just askin sorry dpdesign dont mean to high jack your thread. That post about gyno is called "gyno annihilation" not nuke.. Sorry the mind is the first to... Umm what was I sayin?..lol but straight up it a good thread to read. Later

**DPDESIGN** · 06-30-2011, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by ACE5HIGH

Anyway.....

OP, you mentioned letro during PCT, what did your PCT look like and how long? Also, did you use a SERM or an AI during your last cycle?

PCT was for 3 weeks, letro at 2.5mg Nolva and clomid tabs everyday

**songdog** · 06-30-2011, 07:35 AM

No scar tissue unless you had surgery.OK frenchie

Read the pct stickie bro lots of good info.

**songdog** · 06-30-2011, 07:35 AM

No scar tissue unless you had surgery.OK frenchie

Read the pct stickie bro lots of good info.

**songdog** · 06-30-2011, 07:39 AM

No scar tissue unless you had surgery.OK frenchie

Read the pct stickie bro lots of good info.

**ACE5HIGH** · 06-30-2011, 12:34 PM

Muscleman - none of us could figure out why your talking about scar tissue when the thread is about gyno?? Thats all..

OP - That PCT was no good and thats why you have the gyno!! Mixing more stuff in PCT is not more beneficial. First 3 weeks of PCT is too short in itself. 2nd if you started to develop Gyno I would have jumped on the Letro by itself and it can take 6-8 weeks, you didnt give it nearly enough time. When your done running the letro, run it 7-10 days past the disappearance of your lump, then you run the nolva to prevent estro rebound from the letro.

So your original question, should you start another cycle is really up to you and taking a bit of a risk. It will be harder to reverse gyno the longer its set in, I would personally still try with some letro to get rid of it. The other option is just have surgery. Either way if you do run another cycle you need to make sure your on a good AI for the duration of the cycle, this should prevent it from getting worse, but this is dependent on a few factors.

**DPDESIGN** · 06-30-2011, 01:58 PM

Thanks ACE5HIGH
I will start the letro and see if I can get rid of it, if I do start another cycle it will be test only. What AI should I run with my cycle to keep my gyno in check?

**Hazard** · 06-30-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by DPDESIGN

Thanks ACE5HIGH
I will start the letro and see if I can get rid of it, if I do start another cycle it will be test only. What AI should I run with my cycle to keep my gyno in check?

If you use the letro reversal protocol I HIGHLY recommend using Nolvadex with it. ESPECIALLY when ramping down and comming off the letro as it can cause a rebound effect. I'd continue the nolva a few weeks past the letro.

I happen to favor aromasin for an AI..... you may be able to run just nolva durring your test cycle and be ok but i'd have aromasin on hand just incase.

~Haz~

**DPDESIGN** · 06-30-2011, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

If you use the letro reversal protocol I HIGHLY recommend using Nolvadex with it. ESPECIALLY when ramping down and comming off the letro as it can cause a rebound effect. I'd continue the nolva a few weeks past the letro.

I happen to favor aromasin for an AI..... you may be able to run just nolva durring your test cycle and be ok but i'd have aromasin on hand just incase.

~Haz~

Thanks HAZ,
would 25mg tab a day of aromasin be sufficient, or do I need to bump it up to 2 tabs a day

**Windex** · 06-30-2011, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by DPDESIGN

Thanks HAZ,
would 25mg tab a day of aromasin be sufficient, or do I need to bump it up to 2 tabs a day

Start with 12.5 mg every other day, then bump it up to 25mg every other day if needed, then again to 25 mg every day though you may not get to this point. 50mg/day is extreme imo.

**Hazard** · 06-30-2011, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

Start with 12.5 mg every other day, then bump it up to 25mg every other day if needed, then again to 25 mg every day though you may not get to this point. 50mg/day is extreme imo.

^^^^ this.....

12.5mg eod should be fine for a test only cycle. I'd even ad in 10mg/day of nolva if the 12.5mg of aromasin wasn't enough.

~Haz~

**ACE5HIGH** · 06-30-2011, 06:06 PM

Just to clarify, I recommend you use the Letro alone to nuke the gyno and THEN use the Tamox at the end to prevent the estro rebound again with a ramping. Ive used this protocol on a number of occasions with great success. Here the reason why: "letro reduces blood levels of tamoxifen by over 50%. a study showed 2.5mg letro ed made nolva levels drop to 40% of what they were before adding letro. this does not mean you cant use tamoxifen with letro, it just means you need to use more, about double. 20mg of nolva will act like 8mg if running letro. so make sure you are aware of this because you will need to buy more nolva to compensate. this does not happen when mixing tamoxifen with anastrozole or exemestane, it only hppens with letro."

Also, I second he use of aromasin . However the aromasin is stronger than the L-dex so it depends on your goals. Most would choose l-dex because of price, availability. The downside to l-dex is that can mess with your lipid profile.