Trouble sleeping and high blood pressure.

**MR-FQ320** · 07-09-2011, 02:05 PM

32, 5'10, 205lbs, 10%bf, im on 100mg test p ED, 100mg mast ED, 70mg var ED right now !

Ok so i started off the cycle sleeping like a baby(better than usual), then I increased the dosages from 75-100 prop and 50-100mast for a week then i added the var and i wish to continue these dosages for 8 more weeks, but the trouble is im not getting quality sleep and thats making me real cranky.

last night i got about 5 hours sleep after drifting in and out and getting up for a pee and then a shake and finally two nytols knocked me out, then i couldnt wake up for work this morning, not good.

i have not checked but I think my blood pressure is higher and think this might be stopping from sleeping, so i started to take an aspirin (300 mg) in a morning, it did seem to have an effect

1. are the dosages ok? its the mast im most concerned about
2. should i take another aspirin before bed?
3. should i get my BP checked by my doc :-( ...not a good idea after i asked about steroids because i was tired.
4. take anything else for high BP
5. take any thing else for better sleeping.

**dec11** · 07-09-2011, 02:18 PM

id personally lower my dosages to lower the BP mate. i also have to use nytol atm on my tren cycle, take your nytols before you go to bed rather than halfway through, they do make it a struggle to get up in the morn

**MR-FQ320** · 07-09-2011, 02:33 PM

thanks dec11, is it ok to adjust dosages mid cycle ? Increased like i said because i wasnt feeling enough, now i think its a little too much so am i ok to experiment with dosages of the three different compounds just to find that sweet spot, I would let each protocol a few days to settle down and re-assess from there.

I'm thinking about reducing to

100mg prop Ed
50 mg mast ED
60 mg var ED

**Devil_Doc** · 07-09-2011, 03:08 PM

Welcome to the club hahaha, Im running
Sust350 - Mon/Thu
Tren Ace - 100mg EoD
Masteron - 100mg EoD
Prop - 100mg EoD
Stanozolol - 50mg ED
I was running Sust and Winny alone and was having no problem sleeping (more than my usual combat PTSD), but as soon as i added the other 3 i started tossing and turning, but i added 20mg melatonin and have been sleeping a bit better, as far as the blood pressure, ive been starting to get a bit more short tempred than usual so i checked it and im still 90/52 so thats not it...

**Devil_Doc** · 07-09-2011, 03:10 PM

oh and for reference purposes, im 5'11 205 at 7% atm

**Ashop** · 07-09-2011, 07:27 PM

Get on a BP med if its runniong too high. Letting it go too long and too high is really bad for you.

**TranscriptionFactor** · 07-09-2011, 07:37 PM

Definitely wise to actually get BP checked, you won't know any other way for sure if it is elevated. Some people "feel" their BP is higher but in my experience they are usually wrong. Having bad headaches can be one symptom, another is having to urinate a lot more, especially at night. I think its probably just the Tren A causing difficulty sleeping. To find out you'd have to stop the 3 and add them one by one, waiting a few days in between.

**Necrosaro** · 07-09-2011, 08:42 PM

I wouldn't get bp med when a diet and no steroids for awhile change will do the trick. I had high blood pressure was was able to get it down naturally. I would still see a doc about it and he may help you in ways of lowering it.

**dec11** · 07-09-2011, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by MR-FQ320

thanks dec11, is it ok to adjust dosages mid cycle ? Increased like i said because i wasnt feeling enough, now i think its a little too much so am i ok to experiment with dosages of the three different compounds just to find that sweet spot, I would let each protocol a few days to settle down and re-assess from there.

I'm thinking about reducing to

100mg prop Ed
50 mg mast ED
60 mg var ED

yep, you are fine adjusting mid cycle. dont go hopping on BP meds mate, thats when its just getting silly taking multiple drugs to counteract sides of other drugs, a lowering of dose could very well sort it for you. although its hard to be sure id say the var would be a major culprit

**Devil_Doc** · 07-10-2011, 08:42 AM

Im with dec11, its not something that you wanna let go, as this may lead to cardiac hypertrophy due to the excess stress. But try to do it naturally, you'll never know how one med will react with another, thats when u start getting side effects and dont know what its coming from

**MR-FQ320** · 07-10-2011, 01:08 PM

yep, agree with doing it naturally, two wrongs dont make a right, so iv dropped my dosages to what i said earlier 100prop, 50 mast and 60 var, i know i should only be adding or reducing one compound at a time, but i have a feeling its the mast and with those dosages i feel great today so i see how i sleep tonight.

i only started the var thursday and couldnt sleep friday, but 'felt' my BP increase with the increase of test from 75 to 100 and mast 50 to 100 a couple of weeks back.
I am going to continue these dosages for the rest of the week and see how training and sleep goes.

i should be able to get the actual BP checked on wednesday at the midwifes if I ask nicely.

do you think its wise to continue with a daily dosage of 300mg Aspirin ?

**dec11** · 07-10-2011, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by MR-FQ320

yep, agree with doing it naturally, two wrongs dont make a right, so iv dropped my dosages to what i said earlier 100prop, 50 mast and 60 var, i know i should only be adding or reducing one compound at a time, but i have a feeling its the mast and with those dosages i feel great today so i see how i sleep tonight.

i only started the var thursday and couldnt sleep friday, but 'felt' my BP increase with the increase of test from 75 to 100 and mast 50 to 100 a couple of weeks back.
I am going to continue these dosages for the rest of the week and see how training and sleep goes.

i should be able to get the actual BP checked on wednesday at the midwifes if I ask nicely.

do you think its wise to continue with a daily dosage of 300mg Aspirin ?

i honestly dont know mate, all i know is im not happy with throwing concoctions of drugs down my neck, always wiser to isolate the problem and discontinue it

**Devil_Doc** · 07-10-2011, 01:23 PM

asprin is fine, its an NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) which has blood thining traits, hence why its advised for people at high risk of heart attack to take one daily. that being said, will it hurtanything? No. Is it a solution? No. Just a temporary remedy

**MR-FQ320** · 07-17-2011, 11:30 AM

OK so its been a week and a bit so I thought i would give an update for anyone reading at a later date.

I continued with the dosages of prop 100mg, mast 50mg and 60 mg VAR ED.

the reduction in mast had the desired reduction in percieved elated blood pressure, i have not been as flushed nor as aggressive but all the while kept my hardness.
I think i will continue with these dosages until the end of the cycle ( another seven weeks), gains are good and its mainly lean gains, exactly what i am after :-)

**Devil_Doc** · 07-17-2011, 12:04 PM

Congrats dude, glad everything worked out well

**vtach12** · 07-17-2011, 03:46 PM

On the other hand high blood pressure can lead to a stroke in which case you do not want to have asprin on board. It thins the blood and you will most likely bleed out before you can get medical attention. And a daily 80mg is enough to thin it out let alone 300mg. AWAYs get your BP checked at least every couple of months cycle or no cycle. That is why it is called the silent killer.

**Bonaparte** · 07-17-2011, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by vtach12

On the other hand high blood pressure can lead to a stroke in which case you do not want to have asprin on board. It thins the blood and you will most likely bleed out before you can get medical attention. And a daily 80mg is enough to thin it out let alone 300mg. AWAYs get your BP checked at least every couple of months cycle or no cycle. That is why it is called the silent killer.

Sure, it will speed the bleeding effects of a hemorrhagic stroke, but it will help prevent an ischemic stroke (which is nearly 10X as common).
So the pros of aspirin with regards to strokes vastly outweigh the cons.

**Bonaparte** · 07-17-2011, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by MR-FQ320

32, 5'10, 205lbs, 10%bf, im on 100mg test p ED, 100mg mast ED, 70mg var ED right now !

Ok so i started off the cycle sleeping like a baby(better than usual), then I increased the dosages from 75-100 prop and 50-100mast for a week then i added the var and i wish to continue these dosages for 8 more weeks, but the trouble is im not getting quality sleep and thats making me real cranky.

last night i got about 5 hours sleep after drifting in and out and getting up for a pee and then a shake and finally two nytols knocked me out, then i couldnt wake up for work this morning, not good.

i have not checked but I think my blood pressure is higher and think this might be stopping from sleeping, so i started to take an aspirin (300 mg) in a morning, it did seem to have an effect
1. are the dosages ok? its the mast im most concerned about
2. should i take another aspirin before bed?
3. should i get my BP checked by my doc :-( ...not a good idea after i asked about steroids because i was tired.
4. take anything else for high BP
5. take any thing else for better sleeping.

Aspirin does not change your BP (to an appreciable degree, at least). It reduces platelet buildup, (increasing blood clotting time) among other things.

**lovbyts** · 07-17-2011, 10:38 PM

When you have your blood pressure check make sure of a few things. You have been sitting comfortably and quietly for several minutes. You have had a decent night sleep or as best as possible, you have eaten recently, you have been drinking water and not nervous. Also make sure the sleeve is not to tight.

My BP is 50/50, some times it OK, sometimes it's high depending on the above. When I check it with one of those BP station in the stores it's funny how high it reads, 191/90 or above. LOL It's because the sleeve only is to be used up to 13" for testing and my arms are 17 relaxed so I have to squeeze into it.