Critique my cycle

[chi]

week 1-4

test prop 50mgs a day
winny 50 mgs a day

week 1-12

test E 500mgs

week 1-10

deca 500mgs

pct swifto style son!!!!

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days) OR Clomid 25mg/ED (50-100mg/ED first 7-14 days)
*HCG 250ius 2-3 times/wk (on cycle)
*Aromasin 10mg/EOD (on cycle)


What do you guys think? Only thing i am unsure of is should i run the winny at the end of the cycle or at the beginning and instead run some dbol at the beginning for 4 weeks?

stats are:

5'9
187
14% body fat
32yrs old

[Dr Pepper]

250iu hcg twice a week is fine. Yeah IMO run the winny at the end not at the start. I wouldn't use the dbol because youve already got test p from the beginning. Why not start the test E at the start??

What's your cycle exp?

[chi]

250iu hcg twice a week is fine. Yeah IMO run the winny at the end not at the start. I wouldn't use the dbol because youve already got test p from the beginning. Why not start the test E at the start??

What's your cycle exp?

sorry that was an error on the test e and noted on the winny but i just figured that the dbol would give me an edge.

I am also considering doing this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t-to-read-this! and changing the whole cycle based on reload and deload.

cycle experience is moderate but i did a few cycles when i was younger around 22-24 then another just recently i did a prop cycle in from march to april.

[Dr Pepper]

Are u fully recovered from your last cycle? Seems a bit to close together...

[chi]

Are u fully recovered from your last cycle? Seems a bit to close together...

going to get bloodwork done as i am seeing the doctor tomorrow. Dr have you read ronnie rowlands thread i posted above for slingshot training?

[Dr Pepper]

Yeh def get some bloodwork done and make sure your good to go. I have red Ronnie's slingshot method. I haven't tried it. There was a post about this not long ago. Some people agree with it some don't. Sorry can't help u with that one

[chi]

anyone?

[Devil_Doc]

I think you should lean out a bit more b4 doin a bulk IMO, i was at 10% but decided to get to 5% before bulking again, Im at 208lb 5'11.... thats jus me, other than that, sub the test E for sust 350 and there u go =D

[daem]

6 weeks of PCT? Wow...That's the only thing I don't like about your plans.

[t-gunz]

^^^ why ?

[t-gunz]

why are you wanting to run winny and deca .

i know deca can cause some bloat so really the winny wouldnt suit being there.

maybe leave winny out for next time ?

[chi]

I think you should lean out a bit more b4 doin a bulk IMO, i was at 10% but decided to get to 5% before bulking again, Im at 208lb 5'11.... thats jus me, other than that, sub the test E for sust 350 and there u go =D

dont want to lean out anymore i am losing size and it is messing with my head and dont like the way my clothes are fitting. I am confident i will tighten up further while on and gain size at the same time. Btw you are at 5% body fat? I think you may need to reevaluate your testing method. Not trying to knock you but a bit hard to maintain that without intense dieting.

^^^ why ?

yeah no kidding swifto is the go to guy when it comes to pct.

why are you wanting to run winny and deca .

i know deca can cause some bloat so really the winny wouldnt suit being there.

maybe leave winny out for next time ?

yeah i am going to leave the winny out as a matter of fact and just run prop at the beginning. Dont really care for the dryness i get in my joints from winny anyways.

[chi]

6 weeks of PCT? Wow...That's the only thing I don't like about your plans.

that is standard protocol for a 12 week cycle

[t-gunz]

you know whats right with pct chi. so your good there. cant go wrong with swifto

glad your dropping the winny. just save it for another time.

cant wait to see your results

[chi]

you know whats right with pct chi. so your good there. cant go wrong with swifto

glad your dropping the winny. just save it for another time.

cant wait to see your results

thanks tgunz just pinned prop today with some b12 to ease any post inj pain.

[t-gunz]

np glad i can help

see how you go with b12. should try it without it might be ok?

i mixed tren and prop together but my test p on its own was virtually painless.

love that combo

[chi]

np glad i can help

see how you go with b12. should try it without it might be ok?

i mixed tren and prop together but my test p on its own was virtually painless.

love that combo

T i always get pain from the prop thats why i mixed.

[Lemonada8]

I would go with clomid over the tore for pct

[chi]

I would go with clomid over the tore for pct

lemonada i dont take clomid very well cuz it gives me bad depression.

[Devil_Doc]

I agree chi, i dont stay at 5% my man, i dont have the sanity for it lol.... jus a calander shoot, i usually stay between 7 and 10 which is difficult enough, but i jus dont like to feel bloated, but i definately understand the "itch" that ur getting to bulk.... its starting to happen with me too, im considering switching this cycle after 6 weeks to Deca , Sust, and possibly tren (i know how u feel bout tren =P)

[Lemonada8]

lemonada i dont take clomid very well cuz it gives me bad depression.

how much were you taking?

[daem]

that is standard protocol for a 12 week cycle

"Standard" according to who?

I have a decade worth of bloodwork results done before, during, and after every cycle I've done (16) with various PCT measures of different compounds, lengths, and dosages, and I can tell you that 6 weeks of it is overkill unless you were completely shut down.

Everyone is unique so what is "standard" for someone might actually be detrimental to you.

What I'm trying to say is that taking a shot in the dark, which it sounds like you are, is less than optimal.

How will you know you have recovered? Are you getting 3x bloodwork done to confirm your results and know where you are coming from?

If you want to try that protocol, great...But you should never endorse something or someone's advice unless you KNOW it works for you.

Best wishes.

[MorGo]

14%BF is a healthy amount to be carrying on you Chi. I look at my time in the gym as designing my body the way I want. Same as some one would customize a car, everyone has different tastes and IMO, I personally wouldn't want to drop below 10%bf, I dont like the look of paper thin skin. A little bit of fat helps smooth the edges and you can still have definition. You are lookin pretty good at 14%!

[chi]

"Standard" according to who?

I have a decade worth of bloodwork results done before, during, and after every cycle I've done (16) with various PCT measures of different compounds, lengths, and dosages, and I can tell you that 6 weeks of it is overkill unless you were completely shut down.

Everyone is unique so what is "standard" for someone might actually be detrimental to you.

What I'm trying to say is that taking a shot in the dark, which it sounds like you are, is less than optimal.

How will you know you have recovered? Are you getting 3x bloodwork done to confirm your results and know where you are coming from?

If you want to try that protocol, great...But you should never endorse something or someone's advice unless you KNOW it works for you.

Best wishes.

If you t
i am going to endorse it because i have used it before and it worked for me. This isnt my first rodeo daem. I do appreciate your insight though and welcome your opinion of what pct i should run.

[chi]

how much were you taking?

same thing as this pct i am using this time around again.

[Lemonada8]

same thing as this pct i am using this time around again.

Im talking about the amount of clomid you took and you got bad depression....

[chi]

Im talking about the amount of clomid you took and you got bad depression....

Clomid 25mg/ED (50-100mg/ED first 7-14 days)

[Lemonada8]

so, did you take 100ed for the first 7 days or 50ed for 14 days? that copy/paste doesnt say what you did.

[chi]

14%BF is a healthy amount to be carrying on you Chi. I look at my time in the gym as designing my body the way I want. Same as some one would customize a car, everyone has different tastes and IMO, I personally wouldn't want to drop below 10%bf, I dont like the look of paper thin skin. A little bit of fat helps smooth the edges and you can still have definition. You are lookin pretty good at 14%!

thanks morgo and i agree you have to be happy with what you like.

[chi]

the first 2 weeks i took 100 mgs of clomid because i did tren and then followed it with 25 mgs for the remaining 4 weeks.

[daem]

Chi - Wasn't insinuating it was

That's the beauty of this place and some of the guys that have experimented with creative protocol or dosages...You'll find some interesting things that might help and are not passed through the conventional channels.

Let me dig through my personal logs and I'll try to share some creative PCT ideas that align with your dosages and current plans.

What # cycle is this for you and how many have you done in the last 12 months?

Best,
daem

[dec11]

i like your cycle mate, and to those disagreeing with winnie alongside deca , whats wrong with that? winnie is used for strength aswell as for hardening etc so i dont see the problem to be honest and with the amount of pec development he has i think the hardening will show there, i know my current tren cycle has made me appear alot harder looking in my pecs and delts and im around 13-14% atm

[dec11]

6 weeks of PCT? Wow...That's the only thing I don't like about your plans.

ive followed that protocol from swifto on afew cycles and liked it tbh

[Vullfromsc]

week 1-4

test prop 50mgs a day
winny 50 mgs a day

week 1-12

test E 500mgs

week 1-10

deca 500mgs

pct swifto style son!!!!

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days) OR Clomid 25mg/ED (50-100mg/ED first 7-14 days)
*HCG 250ius 2-3 times/wk (on cycle)
*Aromasin 10mg/EOD (on cycle)


What do you guys think? Only thing i am unsure of is should i run the winny at the end of the cycle or at the beginning and instead run some dbol at the beginning for 4 weeks?

stats are:

5'9
195
14% body fat
32yrs old

I like the cycle, and that is the pct / hCG / ai protocol I have used on EVERY one of my cycles. I don't see a reason to do it differently when it works perfectly.. the only thing I would do different in this case is take the winstrol for the last 4 weeks instead of the first 4 weeks.

[Vullfromsc]

6 weeks of PCT? Wow...That's the only thing I don't like about your plans.

why?

[daem]

Bc it is possible to completely recover to baseline levels in 4 weeks or less...I've done it many times.

[chi]

Chi - Wasn't insinuating it was

That's the beauty of this place and some of the guys that have experimented with creative protocol or dosages...You'll find some interesting things that might help and are not passed through the conventional channels.

Let me dig through my personal logs and I'll try to share some creative PCT ideas that align with your dosages and current plans.

What # cycle is this for you and how many have you done in the last 12 months?

Best,
daem

Daem thanks man bring it!!! I have done one cycle before this year this is my second and i have done 4 full cycles and a couple oral only cycles which were foolish but i was uneducated.

i like your cycle mate, and to those disagreeing with winnie alongside deca, whats wrong with that? winnie is used for strength aswell as for hardening etc so i dont see the problem to be honest and with the amount of pec development he has i think the hardening will show there, i know my current tren cycle has made me appear alot harder looking in my pecs and delts and im around 13-14% atm

Thanks DEC!!!!!!!! I am going to run the winny in the end as it has given me awesome strength and hardening before. I look very full while on it and it looks gnarly!!!! Thanks for the compliments on the pecs btw

I like the cycle, and that is the pct / hCG / ai protocol I have used on EVERY one of my cycles. I don't see a reason to do it differently when it works perfectly.. the only thing I would do different in this case is take the winstrol for the last 4 weeks instead of the first 4 weeks.

thanks vull and i will do that!!!

[gixxerboy1]

daem is very knowledgeable. I'd like to see his pct info.

[chi]

4th day pic

[t-gunz]

honestly your a beast.

i reckon if you dropped few % you would look even bigger.

congrats mate