My latest order/first cycle

**FLoriduh** · 07-24-2011, 06:31 PM

Ok so ill be honest straight from thr start, i didnt do proper research until after i made this order. A trainer at my gym and i were talkin and he was like check out dbol . 30mg ED, 10mg 3X daily for 6 to 8 weeks with nolva milk thistle and vit B complex. But the site i used had am oral only predesigned stack that consisted of dbol, proviron and liver support. So i started readin up on the proviron, liked what i read and figured the dbol was cheap enough, and ordered;

30ct 20mg nolva
120ct 10mg dbol
20ct 50mg proviron
100ct liv 52 liver support
Now i was going to do 30mg daily of dbol, 25mg daily of proviron 3 tabs of liv52 daily along with milk thistle and b complex. And 40mg of nolva for 15 days prior to finishing the 5/6 week cycle.

Now that i actually have been researching and reading like i should have been before i jumped the gun and put this order in, i have realized this is not exactly the best cycle of gear ever ordered.

Before the questions start comin, heres the answers:
Yes i know i should use test. Im terrified of limp dick, id rather be a 120lbs with a functional piece then 250lbs with a useless one. I went all oral cus my girl doesnt really like the idea in the first place but its hard to hide needles where she wont find em and an ass that looks like a dartboard.
Train 5 days/week
~3500 calories/day
350+protein
450+carbs, almost all complex
~130g fats

About to be 25yrs
187lbs
5'11
13% bf
Trainin hard about 2 years now
Goal: 15-25lbs gain with little/no fat gain, no bitchtits, and the ability to maintain an erection.

Ok now my questions
Is it even worth doin this cycle without test? What can i expect to gain/lose by the end of completion of this cycle? Or should i order more of anything or add
anything? Im anxious i havent gained decent weight in a long ass time

**NoCompromise** · 07-24-2011, 06:48 PM

Every one here will tell you to run test with it or not to run it at all. You may be able to hide the dbol tabs but you wont be able to explain why the unit won't work. Plus 8 weeks of d-bol is pretty long time and if your trainer suggested this cycle I'd be looking for a new one fast brother.

**J. Cole** · 07-24-2011, 07:44 PM

if you are afraid of erectile issues why are you planning a cycle that will do just that?

you must use test as a base to keep your body running like a man while you are using other steroids that will inhibit your natural testosterone production

**FLoriduh** · 07-24-2011, 08:22 PM

Thanks man, i wasnt gonna run the dbol for 8 weeks,4 maybe 5. But doesnt the proviron prevent the ED? Ive read alot of people have a crazy increase in libido with It.

**FLoriduh** · 07-24-2011, 08:33 PM

Ohhh that makes sense. Thanks dude, thia trainer was givin me the impression that using test is gonna stop my natural production and give me ED problem.

So would i be straight to do the cycle as planned with 500ml test e/week?
Test e seems to be pretty popular.
Or should i just go a whole different route? And if so could someone point me in the right direction to build somethin that will suite my goals? Pct and all?

Thanks for all the help guys, i really do appreciate it.

**NoCompromise** · 07-24-2011, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by FLoriduh

Ohhh that makes sense. Thanks dude, thia trainer was givin me the impression that using test is gonna stop my natural production and give me ED problem.

So would i be straight to do the cycle as planned with 500ml test e/week?
Test e seems to be pretty popular.
Or should i just go a whole different route? And if so could someone point me in the right direction to build somethin that will suite my goals? Pct and all?

Thanks for all the help guys, i really do appreciate it.

The test will shut your natural production down as would the d-bol but because you would be injecting test into your system, the only ed problems will be the dam thing just won't go down. lol

Test E takes a few weeks to kick in so only running it for 6-8 weeks would be a little short. If you only want to run for 6-8 weeks you would need to prob run test prop but then you would need to pin at least eod.

Test E 500mg/week 12 weeks
dbol weeks 1-4

If it's your first cycle I would just run the test so if you have sides you will know what they are from. If you run multiple your first time and have sides you wont know what caused them.

**cantbetouched** · 07-24-2011, 09:33 PM

Yes run test only.. test E.. forget taking 3 pills ed same time.. that is a pain in the ***. test e 1-2 shot per week and g2g a total of twenty minues for prep setup and disposal. nopt to mention better gains. longer lasting and better for liver.. do as you want but i say add test at least.. you will like it!

**J. Cole** · 07-24-2011, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by FLoriduh

Ohhh that makes sense. Thanks dude, thia trainer was givin me the impression that using test is gonna stop my natural production and give me ED problem.

So would i be straight to do the cycle as planned with 500ml test e/week?
Test e seems to be pretty popular.
Or should i just go a whole different route? And if so could someone point me in the right direction to build somethin that will suite my goals? Pct and all?

Thanks for all the help guys, i really do appreciate it.

Test will definitely suppress or shut down your natural testosterone production, but so would almost all steroids . The test would just keep you running properly like a man thats all. If you were to run a cycle without test there is a chance you will get shut down and have all kinds of issues because there is no testosterone in your body.

For a first cycle most guys here would say run only test cyp or test e (doesnt make a difference which one) for 10-12 week at a dose between 350mg-500mg. You can save the dbol for a future cycle.

PCT would be the stuff that brings your natural test production back from being suppressed or shut down after your cycle. The most common PCT and I think most people would agree is a 4-6 week PCT with nolvadex and clomid. do yourself a favor and head over to the pct section of the forums and check out Swifto's PCT recommendations. Definitely dont rush into anything. Do your research and make sure your diet and training is on point.

Good luck
-J

**Srobis15** · 07-25-2011, 06:00 AM

Everyone knows my opinion on this. Never do a cycle without Test as your base. J. Cole has it right on. Awesome post.

**FLoriduh** · 07-25-2011, 07:23 PM

Thanks alot for the help guys

Test e is test enanthate right?
250mg/2 times weekly? Like sunday and wednesday? About 10 weeks?

So if something says "10ml/vial (250mg/1ml), that means i get 10shots at 250mg, right?

Seems right but the metric system is like a foreign language to me.
So is this cycle straight with test, dbol , proviron , liver support and proper pct? (on the way over to the pct forum next)

**J. Cole** · 07-25-2011, 08:40 PM

Test e is test enanthate right?

Yes

250mg/2 times weekly? Like sunday and wednesday? About 10 weeks?

You can either do ONE shot weekly at your dosage of 500mg or break it up like you proposed bi weekly at 250mg it is in my opinion personally preference. for your first cycle you may want to do it once a week to see how you like pinning... take it out 10 to 12 weeks whichever you prefer but no less than 10 because the long ester tests (test c / test e)take a while to kick in

So if something says "10ml/vial (250mg/1ml), that means i get 10shots at 250mg, right?

absolutely right, each mL you draw out of the vial will contain 250mg of your testosterone (if it is dosed correctly)

So is this cycle straight with test , dbol , proviron , liver support and proper pct ? (on the way over to the pct forum next)

not sure what your saying but your first cycle should be test only forget about the dbol and other compounds. it should be test and a proper pct protocol

-J