Staying ON-OFF Gear

[The Trooper]

hello everyone ive just finished my 2 course of gear and ive decided that i want to be a bodybuilder.
Ill run pct serms.
But my question is: How long should i stay off(without AAS in system) before i can start another course again?How long should i stay clean so that my hpta-axis recover and i can keep most gains before i start taking gear again???
Does anyone knows that answer...
I read somewhere i shoul stay clean at least the same amount of time of the cycle.Is it right?
thanks guys.

[jpal]

about as long as your cycle so 12 week cycle then at least 12 weeks off

[marcus300]

Cycle + pct = time off?

[mrimport]

Cycle + pct = time off?

Correct. Wat worries me the most is that you didn't already know that

[JimmySidewalk]

I dont know who came with that rule but personally i dont agree with it. Especially if you want to become a bodybuilder(not average gym rat).

[Ashop]

about as long as your cycle so 12 week cycle then at least 12 weeks off

Good rule of thumb. Use blood work or saliva test to monitor hormone levels to see where you stand.

[The Trooper]

Hey thanks everyone!
But i think if someone really wants to become a bodybuilder this off period should be some about 6weeks or 8weeks only.

[hankdiesel]

Hey thanks everyone!
But i think if someone really wants to become a bodybuilder this off period should be some about 6weeks or 8weeks only.

why not just stay "on" then. That is essentially what you'd be doing anyways.

[mani_bono]

if you wanna compete, SST (first sticky in forum) is the best way to go in my opinion: 8 weeks ON + 2 weeks OFF or bridge + 8 weeks ON + 2 weeks OFF or bridge ... in my experience if you are near your genetic potential you will loose most of your hard gained muscles during off time. regardless of how good is your diet and how good is your PCT ...

[The Trooper]

why not just stay "on" then. That is essentially what you'd be doing anyways.

WTF! Are you crazy man!?
Havent you ever heard about receptors shut down, ball shrink, infertility???

[hankdiesel]

WTF! Are you crazy man!?
Havent you ever heard about receptors shut down, ball shrink, infertility???

WTF do you think is going to happen if you only take off 6 weeks in between each cycle?

[stang]

balls go bye bye

[dec11]

Hey thanks everyone!
But i think if someone really wants to become a bodybuilder this off period should be some about 6weeks or 8weeks only.

rubbish, why ask a question if you're going to answer it yourself?!

post up afew pics and your current stats and you'll soon get told if you're a 'bodybuilder' im guessing you mean career by the way you're talking

[mani_bono]

WTF! Are you crazy man!?
Havent you ever heard about receptors shut down, ball shrink, infertility???

haha hankdiesel was sarcastic, he meant you are not getting any kind of recovery with 6 to 8 weeks off so why wasting your time.

you need to wait around 4 weeks after end of your pct and get bloodwork to see where you are standing and then even maybe giving few additional rest weeks to your system if recovery is important for you.

[The Trooper]

Hello men i told i want to be a bodybuilder not competitve but for the rest of my life.
And Hankdiesel there´s no place here for sarcasm, im a serious man, this stuff is serious. im asking you about a protocol, if there is some, for me to stay on and off like the pros because i doubt they only do 2courses per year and i doubt they dont care about their balls...Im sorry if it sounds offensive but how can a fellow from the same community suggest the other to stay on all year round knowing all the sides. It sounded like kiss my @ss...

I was thinking if there is some protocol to avoid ball shrink using HCG and/or some to avoid steroid receptor´s shutdown taking some drug(like taking cetotifen while on Clenbuterol )... Can someone help me. thanks everyone.
My stats:
-26years old
-203lbs weight
-5'10" height
-9%bf
-lift weights for 11years
Thanks everyone.

[The Trooper]

haha hankdiesel was sarcastic, he meant you are not getting any kind of recovery with 6 to 8 weeks off so why wasting your time.

you need to wait around 4 weeks after end of your pct and get bloodwork to see where you are standing and then even maybe giving few additional rest weeks to your system if recovery is important for you.

Ok, brothers maybe i asked shit but can someone tell me how the pros do?
Are they all year round on steroids ? And their balls? And the receptor´s shutdown?
Can someone explain that to me?

[Sector]

Im not going to comment on the whole receptor thing other then you have it wrong. It is my OPINION that majority of "big time" pros stay on year round. They blast and cruise, some cruising at trt levels and some cruising higher.

Like someone said before, give us a picture. Most people dont just decide to be a bodybuilder after a course of gear, I would imagine you would know your first few months in the gym when you see how your genetics handle it and start to develop a passion for the sport.

[cro]

you should not be using aas you know nothing

[The Trooper]

Hey fellows maybe i didnt express myself correctly im form Brazil and my english isnt good but i lift weights for 11years, only did 2courses till now...
Stats:
bf: 9%
weight: 203lbs
height : 5´10"
26years old

Sorry CRO im poor in english but who are you to say to me what not to do. Respect man.

[The Trooper]

Im not going to comment on the whole receptor thing other then you have it wrong. It is my OPINION that majority of "big time" pros stay on year round. They blast and cruise, some cruising at trt levels and some cruising higher.

Like someone said before, give us a picture. Most people dont just decide to be a bodybuilder after a course of gear, I would imagine you would know your first few months in the gym when you see how your genetics handle it and start to develop a passion for the sport.

Thanks for the info man! Soon ill post a pic...

[depfife]

Read Ronnie Rowlands threads... he talks of the very thing you want to know...

[chuckt12345]

WTF! Are you crazy man!?
Havent you ever heard about receptors shut down, ball shrink, infertility???

wait you want to become a body builder and run AAS for a long time and your worryin about the above? Better think long and hard if you wanna go that route.

[chuckt12345]

its funny, if someone is 24 and wants to do a cycle we rip them apart but if someone is 26 and comes here asking how long and he can stay on and wants to virtually abuse steroids long term to become a body builder we dont give a shite

[cb714]

Serious bodybuilders dont come off, they bridge.

[The Trooper]

its funny, if someone is 24 and wants to do a cycle we rip them apart but if someone is 26 and comes here asking how long and he can stay on and wants to virtually abuse steroids long term to become a body builder we dont give a shite

Its clear in your post that you are only here to mess up.
Man, i know about all the sides of taking gear but of course fellow if we can minimize then by sharing our experiences and knowledge why are you worried? Thats the purpouse of this forum isnt it?
Get lost if you are not here to help and share.

[The Trooper]

Serious bodybuilders dont come off, they bridge.

Yeah man i heard about. The problem is that i live in Brazil and here we got poor information, Bodybuilding its total underground here, there´s no government invest, no college´s support...College here is a place full of obese people that only study and live unhealthy, we study only about diseases. Steroids here are reprehensible as heroin...There´s no bodybuilding culture... Thats why im searching in the internet...People here take their steroids in a bad way, get some problem like gyno, go to some surgeon correct the problem and then condemn steroids...Information is power my fellows...

[The Trooper]

Read Ronnie Rowlands threads... he talks of the very thing you want to know...

Hey man i read some of their words but not about the best way to bridge, blast and cruise, how to properly space the on-off periods...
If you can send me a link i would aprecciate anyway ill try to find...
Thanks a lot

[ProBody.]

if your worried about your health then bodybuilding career isnt for you. u think pro bb's just run 500mg test for 12 weeks twice a year and drink NoXplode between cycles to keep gains?

[The Trooper]

if your worried about your health then bodybuilding career isnt for you. u think pro bb's just run 500mg test for 12 weeks twice a year and drink NoXplode between cycles to keep gains?

You´re saying it as if they are all unhealthy...Dont know what you´re saying man...Are you really a pro? What i know is to be a pro bodybuilder you need to be dedicated and disciplined...

[chuckt12345]

Its clear in your post that you are only here to mess up.
Man, i know about all the sides of taking gear but of course fellow if we can minimize then by sharing our experiences and knowledge why are you worried? Thats the purpouse of this forum isnt it?
Get lost if you are not here to help and share.

im just trying to get you to think about what your doing before you do it,, running AAS for long periods of time like your talking about is no joke,, you cant just go for 5 yrs and then say oh im done, now ill just go back to normal and everything will be ok.

[Sector]

You´re saying it as if they are all unhealthy...Dont know what you´re saying man...Are you really a pro? What i know is to be a pro bodybuilder you need to be dedicated and disciplined...

Its hard for anyone to claim this without seeing each individual pro bodybuilders bloodwork, however I would have to agree that the things that appear to be required to reach a high level of bodybuilding do not in fact support a healthy lifestyle. The huge amounts of food, the typical high AAS doses ( not that all of them use super high doses but I would ASSUME most do ) and the use of high HGH/Slin.

Then again, the body is an amazing thing and whos to say what a pro bodybuilders body is capable of once they retire and instead of attempting to gain muscle their body begins to focus on repairing. A huge part of all of this is of course GENETICS.

[The Trooper]

We dont see these retired bodybuilders dying because of cancer, atherosclerosis´ causes such strokes, heart liver or kidney failure...
Tell me why do you really think they´re unhealthy?
I dont agree with that...

[ddp2727]

Correction. Any of them that die unexpected (not accidents I.e. Car wrecks ) have a high rate of heart or liver failure. Now there isn't any test showing AAS caused this failure but that is the leading ones.

[mani_bono]

We dont see these retired bodybuilders dying because of cancer, atherosclerosis´ causes such strokes, heart liver or kidney failure...
Tell me why do you really think they´re unhealthy?
I dont agree with that...

the list of bodybuilders who got sick during and after their career is endless, if you don't heard about them it doesn't mean they don't have any problem. I can name some famous cases for you:

- Flex Wheeler: kidney failure almost died but got lucky and found a compatible donator
- Andreas Münzer RIP, died few hours after Arnold Classic due to bleeding from his stomach, and shortly afterwards liver and kidneys failure. (probably for taking too much diuretics for the show)
- Mike Mattarazzo had to retire due to Heart attack and heart problems
- Mohamed Benaziza died after Mr Olympia 1992 (his death made his close friend Steve Brisbois so scared which He ended his bodybuilding career immediately!)

This list is endless and they are famous pros, we don't how many amateur and competitive bodybuilders had serious health problems. I don't blame all of these on steroids but steroids certainly play a important role here and competitive bodybuilding is not a healthy life style for sure.

So you must pretty much be ready to sacrifice everything, and you must be crazy in love with bodybuilding to go that path IMO. that's a life time decision so don't take it easy.
They are ON gear all year around and they don't care much about ball shrinkage, infertility, or even long term health ... only staying as healthy as to be good to go for their next competition.

[DGK]

We dont see these retired bodybuilders dying because of cancer, atherosclerosis´ causes such strokes, heart liver or kidney failure...
Tell me why do you really think they´re unhealthy?
I dont agree with that...

Yeah bc when you die of mutliple organ failure from yrs of abuse its totally a healthy way to die.. do some research bro

[skiny]

Bodybuilding is probley one of the most un healtys things to do the stress your putting on your body your organs pumping toxins true your body taking test and shutting down your own.. some usen slin and gh and shutting them down to and thats why some bodybuilders are diabetic and that if your worryed about the effects and that dont waste your time ..and all so the cost of been a pro and what they take 15iu of growth ect a day and the amount of food and supps any way i just take the good with the bad if im fu**ed in 30 years time i can look back at been big and happy and say it ways well wort it

[JimmySidewalk]

Any sport at professional level is unhealthy period. The Purpose is not to be healthy, but to acheive something specific to the standards of that sport. That means excesses. Keep in mind that professional sport is a job to the one who plays it. He can very well risk his life just like a fireman or undercover agent just to reach his purpose.

If your talking about sports at a recreational level, the purpose is indeed to stay healthy. But its something you do for fun, for your own health.

[cb714]

If you say you in Brazil they don't have serious body building competitions then why mess up your body in taking massive amounts of AAS? Seriously bro, when people here give you a hard time about something, it's for your own good. Nobody wants to see anyone mess themselves up if they are not fully aware of the risks.

If you're just trying to get big for yourself and you are set on cycling. Just knock out a few cycles put on some nice size and then try your best to keep some of those gains but make sure you are fully informed before doing anything.

[The Trooper]

If you say you in Brazil they don't have serious body building competitions then why mess up your body in taking massive amounts of AAS? Seriously bro, when people here give you a hard time about something, it's for your own good. Nobody wants to see anyone mess themselves up if they are not fully aware of the risks.

If you're just trying to get big for yourself and you are set on cycling. Just knock out a few cycles put on some nice size and then try your best to keep some of those gains but make sure you are fully informed before doing anything.

Great man! I agree totally with you. I meant i want to be a bodybuilder for the rest of my life. I love go to the gym give my all, go on a diet, see the abs and muscle blowing away full of veins, take gears and see your improvement touching the roof... I am 27 now and lift weights since i was 15years old. Much of my progress i achieve because of searching in american websites. Here instructors and people involved in lifting weights directed to bodybuilding are just a few. Its hard to get good information...
I dont want to be a professional bodybuilder but i want carry the frame of a bodybuilder because i like it, its for me, period.
Thanks a lot man.

[The Trooper]

Any sport at professional level is unhealthy period. The Purpose is not to be healthy, but to acheive something specific to the standards of that sport. That means excesses. Keep in mind that professional sport is a job to the one who plays it. He can very well risk his life just like a fireman or undercover agent just to reach his purpose.

If your talking about sports at a recreational level, the purpose is indeed to stay healthy. But its something you do for fun, for your own health.

Totally agree, every professional sport is unhealthy.