Which steroid? Sus or Test... and what PCT

**Richie83** · 10-12-2011, 05:46 AM

Hi

I'm 5'7", 155lbs (170cm, 70kg), 28 yo, training for 7 years, serious for 2. My body shape has always been the same, just growing slowly.

I can get Deca , Sus, or Test E. I asked for Test E being my first cycle.

I was recommended to not take test e on it's own, which is contrary to the opinion in the 'beginners guide'.

Test E is lab made. Tho reputible.

Sus is pharmacy made

Deca is pharmacy made too.

I was thinking on doing a Test E cycle for 12 weeks, 400mgs p/w and reducing the test for weeks 11/12 and using PCT up until week 16.

He gave me a name of the PCT but I've never heard of it before. I'll follow it up and post later.

In the mean time, with the information above, would you stack the test with deca or with the sus or leave it as it is and go for the recommended simple test?

What PCT would you use? I'm from Australia and it's darn had to get much of anything here.

**ghettoboyd** · 10-12-2011, 06:19 AM

just stick to the test e bro your dealer just wants to sell you more gear to line his own pockets and dosnt have your well being in mind...keep it simple for your first run and see how it goes...you are not ready for deca just yet...

**ghettoboyd** · 10-12-2011, 06:22 AM

also dont taper down your test the last 2 weeks of your cycle, once you stop the ester will do that for you as it clears your system the 2 weeks before pct...as far as pct i like the nolva/clomid protocol that you can read about in the pct forum...

**WSC786** · 10-12-2011, 07:01 AM

Keep it simple. Something like this

Test E wks 1-12 @ 2 shots per week.
Run HCG @ 250iu's twice per week from week 3-14
2 weeks after last injection start your PCT (so start PCT @ wk14)
Nolva and clomid wks 14-18 @ 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50

anyone with anything to add??

**Richie83** · 10-12-2011, 01:39 PM

Ok that is what I was expecting. I know that if I want to keep my hard look I should stack it with something. I'm a bit nervous about loosing my hard look for a more bloated/rounder/softer look, but if that happens, the deca is easy to come by (seems to be the most popular choice in Aus) and may just add that.

The PCT is still unknown, I def know the name isn't Clomid or Nolva.

**gixxerboy1** · 10-12-2011, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Richie83

Ok that is what I was expecting. I know that if I want to keep my hard look I should stack it with something. I'm a bit nervous about loosing my hard look for a more bloated/rounder/softer look, but if that happens, the deca is easy to come by (seems to be the most popular choice in Aus) and may just add that.

The PCT is still unknown, I def know the name isn't Clomid or Nolva.

You need to do some more reading if you think that how test and steroids work. And thinking adding deca would be the solution.

**Richie83** · 10-13-2011, 02:27 AM

I'll post a log and photos when I start. It's all (calculated) trial and error, right?

I've been a stalker of this site since I was 21 and I will never get the full benefit of a friend that is a seasoned user.

**ata1979** · 10-13-2011, 04:21 AM

BTW Sus is a mix of 4 different test ethers. So its basically the same thing.

**iforged05** · 10-13-2011, 05:41 AM

Do testosterone , it's more of a base

**AnabolicJ** · 10-13-2011, 05:44 AM

stick to a basic test e cycle 500mg per week with pct maybe add some dbol

**Richie83** · 10-14-2011, 02:10 AM

The pct is pregnol... Never heard of it

**songdog** · 10-14-2011, 05:12 AM

This is why you need to do some reading.Also you are on the light side only 155 you need to learn how to eat.Hit the diet section beacuse if you dont eat right.You wont keep any of the weight you get if you get any at all.

**Flier** · 10-14-2011, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Richie83

The pct is pregnol... Never heard of it

Pregnyl = HCG
Use 3 weeks into your cycle, finish 4 days prior to PCT.

You look great! Your "hard look" will be maintained through diet, not adding another compound to test.

**Richie83** · 10-15-2011, 11:22 PM

Hit a freakin snag!! Partner said if I do roids then relationship is over. We have bee together forever ... I'm curious; how obvious is roid?

**devildog1967** · 10-16-2011, 12:26 AM

Steroids or relationship ...HMMMM .. Yes she will know your on AAS otherwise if your body dont alter then what is the point anyway.

Stick to training and good diet bro then you have a GF .. win win

**Nooomoto** · 10-16-2011, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Richie83

Hit a freakin snag!! Partner said if I do roids then relationship is over. We have bee together forever ... I'm curious; how obvious is roid?

Don't try to trick her, it won't work. If you've been together forever she'll notice almost immediately.

**Richie83** · 10-16-2011, 02:19 AM

Haha well she's not the sharpest tool in the shed if you know what I mean. She'll just think its coz of my extra training ill be able to do coz of steroids . Unless I have too many bandages from the pricks lol getting closer to d day.

**iforged05** · 10-16-2011, 03:59 AM

My gf is supportive of whatever decision I make, I say go for it, if she's not supportive, move on! But as everyone else said, load up on both clomid and nolva.

**Flier** · 10-16-2011, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Richie83

Hit a freakin snag!! Partner said if I do roids then relationship is over. We have bee together forever ... I'm curious; how obvious is roid?

Originally Posted by Richie83

Haha well she's not the sharpest tool in the shed if you know what I mean. She'll just think its coz of my extra training ill be able to do coz of steroids. Unless I have too many bandages from the pricks lol getting closer to d day.

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**iforged05** · 10-16-2011, 03:44 PM

Lol.............?

**hankdiesel** · 10-16-2011, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Richie83

Haha well she's not the sharpest tool in the shed if you know what I mean. She'll just think its coz of my extra training ill be able to do coz of steroids. Unless I have too many bandages from the pricks lol getting closer to d day.

I think you can hide it. Just go buy some new creatine or something. I find it hard to believe though that you have been researching this site since you were 21 and think that you have to stack test with something if you want to keep a hard look. That couldn't be further from the truth.