Chances of gyno on first cycle?

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 09:05 AM

I can't find an answer to this. It seems like something that happens to people from using a higher dose, or have been doing it for a while...

Currently, I'm 5'9 151lbs benching 220lbs (Max) I'm only looking to do one cycle and gain about 10lbs after everything is over because I can't seem to get stronger.

I wanted to do one cycle of enanthate , 250mg for 10 weeks, then clomid or nolvedex 2 weeks later for 4 weeks.

On this particular cycle would gyno be something to worry about? Or, is it not a big enough cycle? If it did happen, how bad could it get? I assume arimidex would be something to start.

Basically, I just want to know the chances of gyno symptoms on a 10 week enanthate cycle (250mg) weekly.

Thanks in advance.

**xelnaga** · 10-12-2011, 09:18 AM

@ Someguy- No one can give you a scientific answer to your question. Some guys are prone to gyno at even low doses of AS; other guys can get away with massive doses.

**chuckt12345** · 10-12-2011, 09:18 AM

7.2326%

**xelnaga** · 10-12-2011, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

7.2326%

I concur.

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 10:10 AM

Lol, so essentially it's pretty rare and I'm being paranoid.

How does my cycle sound? Do you think I could put on 20 and retain 10? Assuming proper diet and routine?

**chuckt12345** · 10-12-2011, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by someguy1984

Lol, so essentially it's pretty rare and I'm being paranoid.

How does my cycle sound? Do you think I could put on 20 and retain 10? Assuming proper diet and routine?

i wouldnt worry to much about it,, just have some adex at hand in case.

**The Bear 79** · 10-12-2011, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by someguy1984

Lol, so essentially it's pretty rare and I'm being paranoid.

How does my cycle sound? Do you think I could put on 20 and retain 10? Assuming proper diet and routine?

Wuts ur BF%?

**gixxerboy1** · 10-12-2011, 10:16 AM

at your height and weight 20 lbs should be easy. But if your diet isnt right your just going to loose it afterword. And looking at yuor stats i would say you dont eat enough.

If your sensitive to estrogen gyno can be a problem. Doesnt matter what cycle it is. 1st or 10th

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Wuts ur BF%?

I would guess 15% since I don't do much cardio. It used to be lower, but I got lazy and started drinking beer occasionally. I have a little gut not noticeable unless my shirt is off.

Also, why adex? Is this the best choice to take during a cycle if gyno occurs? I may do clomid instead pct because it's easier to get. I think clomid is legal. Or maybe I should stick with the nolvedex?

Couldn't I just take clomid during my cycle solve all of this? Or, would that screw up muscle gains?

**gixxerboy1** · 10-12-2011, 10:27 AM

you dont use clomid during cycle. Clomid pills are not legal to buy they are still a prescription drug.
You can get a-dex, nolva, clomid all from ar-r banner up top

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

at your height and weight 20 lbs should be easy. But if your diet isnt right your just going to loose it afterword. And looking at yuor stats i would say you dont eat enough.

If your sensitive to estrogen gyno can be a problem. Doesnt matter what cycle it is. 1st or 10th

You're definitely right about this...I don't eat enough at all...I'm relatively strong for my size, but look like I don't workout. I've always been paranoid about gaining too much fat...Which is why I want to try test. I have an endomorph body type.

If I respond to estrogen and gyno occurs on first cycle will I look like I have tits with my shirt off in that short of a time? Lol

**marcus300** · 10-12-2011, 10:35 AM

You dont need steroids you need to sort your diet out and you can easily gain 10lbs without any sides or concerns of recovery. At your weight you need to eat not use steroids because if you do a cycle it will be pointless because your diet cant support any new tissue.

**Granovich** · 10-12-2011, 10:37 AM

im sorry but i think 151 lbs with 5'9' doesnt make u ready for AAS
i would give it couple more years of natty training and good diet
220 lbs isnt much on bench press
u need food and get some supplements thats it

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

You dont need steroids you need to sort your diet out and you can easily gain 10lbs without any sides or concerns of recovery. At your weight you need to eat not use steroids because if you do a cycle it will be pointless because your diet cant support any new tissue.

I know how to eat, I've just eaten shit lately because of being in a relationship and not caring. Now I want to gain weight and eat right. Chicken breasts, fish, lean meat, EFA's, etc...I just figured test would jump start me for motivation and quick results.

If I didn't do steroids and wanted to gain 10lbs natural what could I supplement legally that would help...Creatine? I hear all that gnc crap is a waste of time.

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

im sorry but i think 151 lbs with 5'9' doesnt make u ready for AAS
i would give it couple more years of natty training and good diet
220 lbs isnt much on bench press
u need food and get some supplements thats it

I agree, but 220 isn't bad for my weight...I don't see many people bench 70lbs over there body weight at my weight. Although, most people probably gain weight and look better through diet, lol

**ThatAthlete82** · 10-12-2011, 12:08 PM

Here's what is going to happen. You will take the AAS, continue with your mediocre diet, maybe make some decent strength/size gains(but nothing worth bragging about), probably botch your PCT and lose your gains. Resulting with you back and square one, or probably worse off(with less money in your pocket). Get your diet/workouts in check, do research on this site, and come back.

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-12-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by ThatAthlete82

Here's what is going to happen. You will take the AAS, continue with your mediocre diet, maybe make some decent strength/size gains(but nothing worth bragging about), probably botch your PCT and lose your gains. Resulting with you back and square one, or probably worse off(with less money in your pocket). Get your diet/workouts in check, do research on this site, and come back.

How much gains do you think somebody with a crap diet can actually make? I think it's a waste of a cycle to do it on a mediocre diet.

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by ThatAthlete82

Here's what is going to happen. You will take the AAS, continue with your mediocre diet, maybe make some decent strength/size gains(but nothing worth bragging about), probably botch your PCT and lose your gains. Resulting with you back and square one, or probably worse off(with less money in your pocket). Get your diet/workouts in check, do research on this site, and come back.

Good point.

I'm not going to have a bad diet though. I know how to eat. I'm only not eating that way NW because I've taken a break. I would have an incredible diet on gear and would still continue to eat a high enough amount of calories / protein to maintain most my gains.

I'm not concerned about eating, because I'll be fine. I'm just trying to go the easy way out and gain muscle quick opposed to the whole "eat 500 calories over your maintenance per day, which will be 3500 a week and most of that will be one pound of muscle.

So, realistically natural I could gain 4lbs of muscle (Max) in one month assuming I did everything perfect. (Which is incredibly hard to do)

Why not just use test and gain 20lbs in 2 months by eating double what I do now, (not fast food. Healthy efa's 2-3 protein shakes a day) lose 10 of it due to water retention and maintain 10lbs of muscle mass? Then, when on PCT for 4 weeks keep my caloric intake higher than what I started, since 1lb of muscle is roughly an extra 70 calories you burn a day. Which would mean my diet would need to be 700 calories higher per day to maintain the muscle mass gained...

This was my thinking...It would be much harder gaining 10lbs of muscle without an abundance of fat.

My only concern was the gyno...Earlier, someone mentioned my body fat? How does that impact the possibility of gyno?

Thanks for the help, mainly my question was answered through someone earlier. Basically, it's a risk and nobody knows for sure. It can happen to anyone. That's all I needed to hear. I just wanted to explain that I know how to eat and are aware my caloric intake will change on gear and when off...

Lol, people are so judgemental on body size. Just because I'm 150lbs doesn't mean I shouldn't do it, lol. Plenty of people juice at 135 and get to 165 to stay at that weight. We all hace different goals gentleman. My only concern is walking around with tits looking like I could breast feed.

**The Bear 79** · 10-12-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by someguy1984

Lol, people are so judgemental on body size. Just because I'm 150lbs doesn't mean I shouldn't do it, lol. Plenty of people juice at 135 and get to 165 to stay at that weight. We all hace different goals gentleman. My only concern is walking around with tits looking like I could breast feed.

It shows flaw & inexperience in ur diet.

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

It shows flaw & inexperience in ur diet.

One can have a poor diet and be strong. Inexperience can't be measured by how much I weigh and lift. That's being judgmental. I have a lot of knowledge and at one point weighed 170 in the military and was exactly where I wanted to be. I kept a lot of my strength, but started partying and lost a lot of my weight due to half ass training. Now, I want to get back into the ball game again quickly opposed to how long it would take off gear. You can't blame me for being inexperience on gear and gyno. I've never done it, but know the basics. This is more in depth and I feel I've researched a decent amount instead of just going on a cycle with no knowledge of anything.

This doesn't make me inexperienced. I'm just starting to get motivated again.

Are you in agreement that gyno cannot be prevented, it's just a side effect that "could" happen, whether it's your first, or tenth cycle?

**chuckt12345** · 10-12-2011, 02:37 PM

at 5'9" you should be about 225 lbs, because i know a guy in the gym whos 5'9" and weighs that naturally

**someguy1984** · 10-12-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

at 5'9" you should be about 225 lbs, because i know a guy in the gym whos 5'9" and weighs that naturally

Lol, what? 225lbs at 5'9 natural? I'm not a linebacker in the NFL. Plus, that would take years to achieve and not my goal at all...I would be very happy with weighing 165lbs benching 245lbs...That's my goal.

**chuckt12345** · 10-12-2011, 03:41 PM

sarcasm my friend

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-12-2011, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by someguy1984

Lol, what? 225lbs at 5'9 natural? I'm not a linebacker in the NFL. Plus, that would take years to achieve and not my goal at all...I would be very happy with weighing 165lbs benching 245lbs...That's my goal.

You don't need gear to get to 165lbs and bench 245. That should be well within a 5'9 man's natural limit.

**Ashop** · 10-12-2011, 04:19 PM

Never take a chance. Use an AI or other estrogen control. Dont wait until its too late and problems appear.

**ThatAthlete82** · 10-13-2011, 12:52 AM

Higher body fat% = higher chance of contracting gyno.

**Lemonada8** · 10-13-2011, 01:18 AM

using gear is a lifestyle, not just something you do to get big and thats it... You have to eat and maintain the additional mass. If you are struggling with diet issues now b/c of stress then take your time and get that in order and back to a steady diet.
If you are gonna use AAS might as well make them the most effective possible which starts with a consistant good diet and workouts.

Look into supplements if you are wanting a quick boost, when you get the right nutrients in ur body you would be surprised what that can do

**iforged05** · 10-13-2011, 05:47 AM

less body fat, the better! although 250mg is a relatively low dosage

**scooter688** · 10-13-2011, 01:57 PM

I have done my research and was thinking about doing a 6 to 8 week cycle of Anavar at 40mg ED, and Proviron 25-50mg ED. I was thinking Clomid and Nolvadex combined for PCT

I am hesitant to try steroids because although i have never tried steroids I do have a small case of Gyno from puberty. I chose those steroids because they do not aromatize and i want to avoid making the problem any worse. I can't afford the surgery should the gyno get any worse (nickle sized lumps currently).

Will there be any risk of gyno both during the cycle and during PCT?

I'm 24, 205lbs, and approx 10-11 percent BF. Not looking for any big gains. I want to use Anavar to help heal an injury as research ive read shows it increases collagen synthesis, and is used in treatment of burn victims.

Thank for the help guys.

**someguy1984** · 10-13-2011, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

using gear is a lifestyle, not just something you do to get big and thats it... You have to eat and maintain the additional mass. If you are struggling with diet issues now b/c of stress then take your time and get that in order and back to a steady diet.
If you are gonna use AAS might as well make them the most effective possible which starts with a consistant good diet and workouts.

Look into supplements if you are wanting a quick boost, when you get the right nutrients in ur body you would be surprised what that can do

Agreed. What kind of supplements do you suggest that actually do anything? I've heard they're a joke.

**The Bear 79** · 10-13-2011, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by scooter688

I have done my research and was thinking about doing a 6 to 8 week cycle of Anavar at 40mg ED, and Proviron 25-50mg ED. I was thinking Clomid and Nolvadex combined for PCT

I am hesitant to try steroids because although i have never tried steroids I do have a small case of Gyno from puberty. I chose those steroids because they do not aromatize and i want to avoid making the problem any worse. I can't afford the surgery should the gyno get any worse (nickle sized lumps currently).

Will there be any risk of gyno both during the cycle and during PCT?

I'm 24, 205lbs, and approx 10-11 percent BF. Not looking for any big gains. I want to use Anavar to help heal an injury as research ive read shows it increases collagen synthesis, and is used in treatment of burn victims.

Thank for the help guys.