What would you do

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 06:14 AM

Hey guys, For my next course I was wanting to run anavar for 12 weeks, am looking to strip a bit of fat n get that lean ripped look, so I'm wanting to steer away from anything with water retention. What would you stack with the anavar?
I'm 26
6"1
224lbs
13% body fat

**hankdiesel** · 10-23-2011, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by hsvcraig

Hey guys, For my next course I was wanting to run anavar for 12 weeks, am looking to strip a bit of fat n get that lean ripped look, so I'm wanting to steer away from anything with water retention. What would you stack with the anavar?
I'm 26
6"1
224lbs
13% body fat

I personally would not run anavar for 12 weeks. I'd run some test, eat clean, do cardio, and maybe run some var the last 4-6 weeks. This shouldn't warrant much water retention and you should get the look you're after.

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 06:41 AM

Do you reckon 12 weeks of anavar is too liver toxic? I like the muscle hardness anavar gives

**guitario** · 10-23-2011, 07:23 AM

Depends on the dosage. It's not the liver you have to worry about on orals, it's your cholesterol more than anything.

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 07:33 AM

I was gonna run it high at 80mls a day.

**The Bear 79** · 10-23-2011, 07:43 AM

As far as I know, Var, doesn't come in oil / injectable form, so I'm going 2 assume u mean 80 mg not ml. And IF it were available in oil, I hope u wouldn't inject "80 mls a day"!! HA!

**rockinred** · 10-23-2011, 07:54 AM

Still never ran a var only cycle so can't advise on it. Only as a stacker and would not run it for 12wks imo. Much better ways to go about what you are trying to accomplish with dry gains.

**Times Roman** · 10-23-2011, 08:14 AM

Var is about the only oral i'd go longer than 4 weeks with. I've ran some pretty high doses for 8 weeks, had my liver & cholesterol checked, lookin good. but i do take meds for the cholest and liver. And i do take fairly long breaks before taking more var. And yes, always with test. Some may argue the point, and since var is so mild, I'd let it go and not say anything

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 08:44 AM

Yeah I definitely was going to throw some test in. N yeah sorry mate 80mg's :/ um so what would be your ideas on a good cycle in terms for gaining lean muscle n help losing a bit of fat. I considered equipoise but thought may not be so good for leaning up as it increases your appetite a fair bit but thought the anavar may counteract that

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 08:45 AM

How much were you running a day roman?

**The Bear 79** · 10-23-2011, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by hsvcraig

Yeah I definitely was going to throw some test in. N yeah sorry mate 80mg's :/ um so what would be your ideas on a good cycle in terms for gaining lean muscle n help losing a bit of fat. I considered equipoise but thought may not be so good for leaning up as it increases your appetite a fair bit but thought the anavar may counteract that

I never got increased appetite with Eq. but I never got any muscle gain from Eq. either. I would stick 2 a low dose of Test. 250 - 300 mg / wk maybe & 80 mg / ed of Var. the last 6 wks of cycle.

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 08:57 AM

Ok so what did you find the best cutting cycle youve done?

**Times Roman** · 10-23-2011, 08:57 AM

^ I typically run about 100mg/day. I don't buy the tabs... too expensive. I've heard of some guys running higher than that, but i don't see the point. Sometimes i split out my dose and take 50% twice a day. Sometimes i don't. But when I run this high, I won't go longer than about 6 weeks. and no matter any dose, won't go longer than 8 weeks. and don't forget to take your liver support supps!

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 09:19 AM

Cheers buddy

**Pac Man** · 10-23-2011, 09:34 AM

I've run a var only cycle at 50mg for 30 days just so I could respond to these questions.
I did experience some mild shut down, which is amazing in that short of time but I also got some pretty decent gains. More than I expected. Not much on the scale but my physique was undoubtedly leaner and harder at the end of the 30 days.
Liver toxicity isn't the real concern on var IMO, the mild shut down isn't too bad either but the effect it has on your lipid profile can be dangerous. For this reason alone I won't run var for 12 weeks. I would cap it off at either 6 or 8 weeks and take extra precaution with diet to and supplements to 'help' prevent destroying your lipid profile.

**Pac Man** · 10-23-2011, 09:37 AM

My advice on the actual cycle itself.
Prop 50-75mg ed 1-6
Var 50-75mg ed 1-6 or even 2-7

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 09:55 AM

Thanks mate I'll research what lipid profile is cheers. With the prop I'm not a fan of injecting everyday, I know ppl say maybe this sport isn't for you then but yeah I'd try to avoid if I could just find it a big nuisance. Would you suggest anything else?

**hankdiesel** · 10-23-2011, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by guitario

Depends on the dosage. It's not the liver you have to worry about on orals, it's your cholesterol more than anything.

YES! I wish more people would think about that before they do these long coarse of orals. Cholesterol and blood pressure should be the two things to watch out for for all steroid users.

**ThatAthlete82** · 10-23-2011, 01:57 PM

I wouldn't do var for more than 8 weeks, wouldn't dose higher than 100mg per day(really pushing it there, would only do 6 weeks if I did 100mged). Like people said, it only comes in oral form. It is liver toxic, but not that bad as far as orals go. Get your lipids checked prior to and halfway through the cycle if you're running a high dose or a cycle longer than 12 weeks. Test-E is always a good stack, creatine retention goes way up with var so I would suggest using that also(10g ed)

**MASTERMIKE 48** · 10-23-2011, 05:25 PM

I know you don't like pins but have you researched Masteron ? It's fairly easy on the body and will give you that hard dry grainy look! Also will counteract the build up of estrogen from running higher levels of test! Kind of a natural PCT while running without really needing to do anything else! Works well for me at contest prep along with Prop, Tren , T3 and Letrozole ! If you do end up running Anavar I recommend you take Himalays liver care to help process the toxins out of your liver!

**hsvcraig** · 10-23-2011, 06:24 PM

I haven't researched masteron but I'll check it out. Thanks for your help guys. So would masteron test e and anavar be a good cycle you think?

**MASTERMIKE 48** · 10-23-2011, 06:51 PM

I like it with oral winnie because of the cost difference but I have never tried amavar personally! Maybe someone else can answer that question better!